3 hours ago, varaderoguy said:

If you want a compression test, that may take about 30 mins to complete..

 

That is very poor advice for an engine with a known or suspected broken timing belt.

 

I see the OP has already picked up on this.

 

 

17 minutes ago, RattleWagon said:

Just throwing on new belt and hoping for best is most likely just waste of money and possibly causing more damage.

 

Worthwhile for the cost of the belt, I would turn the engine carefully forward to 180° ATDC stopping if I felt any resistance, if that went well then I would buy and fit a belt, then turn the engine over by hand, if that felt OK do a compression test, if all good then I would know the engine will start and run unless I had made a Horlicks of the cam timing.

5 hours ago, imart143 said:

I have seen that before. Small belt should be replaced every 50000. Together with its pulley..

You're talking about the alternator belt?

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

@Gremlyng I get the regular service thing if that is oil and filters, oil serviced and stuff.  When was the cam belt replaced? 

Nothing to do with the cam belt. OP said it was replaced according to schedule. The question should be, when was the alternator belt inspected or replaced?

@ords Just interested in what schedule that was going by, easy enough for @Gremlyng to say. 

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

@Gremlyng I get the regular service thing if that is oil and filters, oil serviced and stuff.  When was the cam belt replaced? 

I believe 149,000

Ok.  So not certain.  Did you own the car then,?     That was not the service schedule then back before when there was a different schedule given by Skoda UK. 

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Just now, Ootohere said:

@ords Just interested in what schedule that was going by, easy enough for @Gremlyng to say. 

when the car went into the garage in Milton Keynes they changed whatever was due to be changed. up until about 5k ago it was a company car with no expense spared on servicing. I have receipts somewhere from that Garage.

18 minutes ago, ords said:

You're talking about the alternator belt?

fan belt same thing right? The charging system 

21 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Ok.  So not certain.  Did you own the car then,? 

The car was bought by myself along with two additional identical cars from motopoint they had less than 10k on them at the time. I sourced them for the sales reps at the company that I was the GM for at the time. The reps were spread out the UK so they took cars to local approved garages for their servicing. I have all the receipt's... Not in front of me right now.... Ultimately what difference does it make? The timing belt was taken out by the fan belt snapping and wrapping around it....  I have no recourse with the garage.  I get you guys want the full picture and thought I gave a good overview at the start of this thread. 

 

That company I was the GM at decided to cease trading so I bought the car off the CEO. I usually run newer cars but I started my own business to decided to just run the Skoda for my commute until the company is up and running, its still early days for the business. Thankfully I have an Abarth 595 comp, aka ****box which was bought for ****s and giggles a good while back, thats being used at the moment. 

 

Hopefully that provides better insight.

 

I feel a little like I'm being quizzed so that someone can say you had it coming or I failed to look after the car, both are not true. 

 

All three of those cars had servicing done in accordance to Skoda or the VAG group.

The belt has gone end of, I need to work out what to do in the most cost effective manner as I have a new business that I'm growing.

 

I'm also near 50, have driven for longer than I haven't. I was working on cars from the age of 12 with my dad, timing engines, changing exhausts, rebuilding brakes alone too. I'm also a petrol head have two supersport bikes a new'ish R1 and a ZX-10r. 

 

I'm here for advice not schooling lol I do appreciate the sensible helpful advice guys 👍

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Gremlyng

6 hours ago, imart143 said:

I have seen that before. Small belt should be replaced every 50000. Together with its pulley..

Its too late to look back, 'would have, could have, should have serves no gain other than gratitude to the person scorning (not suggesting that that is your intent btw)

The only difference it makes is others might see the title and think on.  The Serviced to schedule or Full Service History of FMDSH means nothing if it is just a history of what was missed during servicing.  As many fleet or service plan serviced vehicles are examples off.   Many Skoda Approved cars sold with Service History lack scheduled service items being done. 

4 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

The only difference it makes is others might see the title and think on.  The Serviced to schedule or Full Service History of FMDSH means nothing if it is just a history of what was missed during servicing.  As many fleet or service plan serviced vehicles are examples off.   Many Skoda Approved cars sold with Service History lack scheduled service items being done. 

Right but what difference does that make with my situation? 

 

The belt has failed irrespective of anything that is what I need to address the past has no relevance what so ever as I'm not trying to sell the car here.

 

Essentially if the belt has gone which it has and given it happened how it did and given its an interference engine what is the best move moving forward.  I'm not here for people to diagnose why it happened.....

8 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

The only difference it makes is others might see the title and think on.  The Serviced to schedule or Full Service History of FMDSH means nothing if it is just a history of what was missed during servicing.  As many fleet or service plan serviced vehicles are examples off.   Many Skoda Approved cars sold with Service History lack scheduled service items being done. 

Think on? You feel that me having a title that says snapped timing belt will put others off buying a Skoda? Or that it is misleading? It seems to have drawn enough people here to offer good advice so from my standpoint the title does what it was intended to do.

Not a bit of a difference to your situation.  Stuffed.   But your post  title needs not panic others.    A car maybe not serviced as per schedule as was repeated a few times    edit sorry posted to late. 

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

1 minute ago, Ootohere said:

Not a bit.  But your post  title needs not panic others.    A car maybe not serviced as per schedule as was repeated a few times    edit sorry posted to late. 

why would my belt failing panic others? My car and my circumstances are not reason for anyone with a 2.0 tdi to panic lol  If the title was 'clickbate' and I had said 'Skoda Octavia 2.0tdi bad design timing belt fail' then you might have a point.

 

I don't have time to split hairs mate, just walk on by if your not going to fetch anything of any worth to the table... I don't need schooling thank you very much.

 

Maybe get the cars issue diagnosed.  Plenty have helped here.  I just asked about this full servicing as often people say done and it might not be.  People just assume. 

Edited 20 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

8 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Maybe get the cars issue diagnosed.  Plenty have helped here.  I just asked about this full servicing as often people say done and it might not be.  People just assume. 

I gave as much insight as I could. I explained in depth what happened and why I was here. And 100% agree plenty have brough good advice to the table. My intent was to get a camera in the head before doing anything. I read that it was an interference engine which told me it was going to have caused damage but figured there would potentially be others that had the same bad luck and that I would learn what route they took. 

There is a possibility that the even the valves are fine on this engine, the way the top end is set up it may have just smashed the rockers to bits when the valves have hit the piston. The trouble with looking in the top end though is that you have to take all the injectors out so its not a 5 minute job but as this happened at tickover you have a good chance of saving it if you really wanted to. It is still a bit of an unknown though and its still a 180K engine with a lot of auxiliaries that are just waiting to die and cost you money, plus a lot of things will break and need replacing once you start tearing into it.

 

23 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Not a bit of a difference to your situation.  Stuffed.   But your post  title needs not panic others.    A car maybe not serviced as per schedule as was repeated a few times    edit sorry posted to late. 

stuffed? I have a second car this one owes me next to nothing I'm far from stuffed lol  I'd call it an annoyance which I don't have time for right now. Stuffed not at all... If I binned it tomorrow it would cost me very little.

22 hours ago, SuperbTWM said:

it may have just smashed the rockers to bits when the valves have hit the piston. The trouble with looking in the top end though is that you have to take all the injectors out so its not a 5 minute job

 

The valve cover can be removed without removing the injectors can it not? any cam lobe or rocker damage will be apparent, the valve heights and clearances can visually reveal bent valves.

 

It costs nothing but a little time to look.

21 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

The valve cover can be removed without removing the injectors can it not? any cam lobe or rocker damage will be apparent, the valve heights and clearances can visually reveal bent valves.

 

It costs nothing but a little time to look.

Doesn’t take much working out when the injector is right in the middle of each cylinder and goes through the valve cover. Unless I’m missing something really obvious

 

I will add that if they have been in for 180K, the brute force needed to get them out can sometimes result in them never working again or even a smashed up valve cover if care is not taken when prying them out. Also, any corrosion or galling you might not want to put them back in. 
 

Can be a bit of a can of worms unlike a trusty old PD unit or VE

Edited 21 January, 20251 yr by SuperbTWM

It's probably me missing something really obvious, the injectors are to the side (front in engine bay) of the rocker cover on my 2015 2.0TDi, or so I thought 🤔

 

I will have to go and check now.

Its not something you think about until you have to renew the seal and realise it is more involved than you think.

 

Also, the clamp holds 2 injectors on the newer EU6 engine IIRC so you have to take them out as as a pair. fun fun fun