I was driving home on a concrete road.  Just around 30km in, getting off the motorway up a ramp, I had to stand still for a little while waiting for my turn to turn left towards a roundabout. While rolling slowly forwards the radio sounded weird. When i turned it off, to my horror, I found out it was the car that gave off a screechy/grinding metallic noise from the front wheel on my side. It kept making noise after the roundabout and I had to turn over at a small (gravel) parking space and take a look. Nothing to see with the bare eye. Tried to reverse. No sound.  Forwards again. Hmm...Sound gone....and no issues the rest of the way home.

 

Man, that scared me. One month old car and already?? One of the reasons I changed my old car was because I was fed up with noises coming and going and worrying all the time if it was something serious or just annoying. Don't start already with the new one please!!!

 

I've read elsewhere that small stones can get stuck at the disc especially with quite open alloy wheels and that reversing use to help.

 

It's my first time with alloys. Have you experienced this and how often?

Edited 22 January, 20251 yr by szilvita

Might have just been a stone behind the brake disc and reversing the car pushed it out. I wouldn't worry unless something feels wrong or it happens again 

As StevesTruck has said...

 

An online search on stone in brakes will retrieve plenty of discussion about this.

 

This is a BRISKODA forum 2013 example

 

Edited 22 January, 20251 yr by DerekU

6 hours ago, szilvita said:

 

I've read elsewhere that small stones can get stuck at the disc especially with quite open alloy wheels and that reversing use to help.

3rded. Annoyingly, this could still have scored that disc enough to need new discs and pads.

The smallest bit of grit or stone can sound really bad but do no damage, [ETA: many more times than not] you will clearly see on the brake disc if it has been damaged to any great extent if not then forget about it.  You done the right thing to get the bit out.  I have to do the stop and reversing and add in braking because it didn't work first two attempts to get something off my front disc on a car before (not a VW) no damage at all.

 

Edited 23 January, 20251 yr by nta16
ETA:

Yeah I had it happen on one of the rear brakes on my TT when away on holiday once, absolutely horrible noise, it soon cleared though.

I haven't had any issues since, so I guess it was "just" some grit or a little stone that got stuck. I hope it's not going to happen often! Reversing was an easy fix this time, to my relief, but the annoying thing is that you can't start reversing in the middle of the traffic as soon as it happens 😣

Edited 26 January, 20251 yr by szilvita

Depends on where and what you drive on but I can only remember it happening to me twice in 47 years of driving.  If you drive where there is always loose bits then obviously the risks increase but that might be the only time you ever notice such a thing, plus you would also be unlucky for it to cause any real damage.  Forget about it, if it happens again at least you know what to do when it's safe to do so by which time it might have freed itself anyway.

 

ETA: And I'm pretty sure there will be many other drivers who have never had or notice such a thing happen to them in all their driving experience, now I expect some will post as exceptions to this. 😄

 

Good luck.

 

Edited 26 January, 20251 yr by nta16
ETA:

My brakes have started to squeak when I park the car and the wheels are all turned. And now it also starts to give off a tiny noise when braking softly straight ahead. 😞 I suppose it has to do with that d*** stone that got stuck.... 😞  

Edited 14 February, 20251 yr by szilvita

Maybe or maybe not, could just be a coincidence but to be sure have a good look at the brakes wheel side and inboard sides, all four if you have rear discs too.   If you want to take the wheels off you could use brake clean to clean things up and perhaps see better, who knows if you spray enough on you might flush out any tiny bits.

 

Brakes can get squeals and sometimes the squeals come and go.

 

My wife's 2015 Fabia Mk3 has a trilling whistle from the brakes disc(s) touching pad(s) but it comes and goes.  When I changed the front pads and discs I thought it would be lost but it returned, could be a number of causes but it is not enough to worry about or cause anything noticeable.

  

 

Front brake 

 

 

Front brake 

 

 

Rear brake rear brake

 

 

This does not look good to me ☹️ barely 2 month old car!! 😑

You have mixed the images in with your text but I take it the last two images are of your rear brakes and they do not look good possibly the bits of whatever very hard stuff you got stuck in the brakes causing the noises you had and have.

 

With a zoomed-in look at the images front disc(s) images (first and second) to me and I am NOT a mechanic or expert, don't look bad if there is anything then it might possibly be from where and how long the car was parked up before your purchase, and/or after.  Rear, well, they are as they clearly show.  You could try your warranty but I am not sure they would accept the damage to rears.

 

If there is still any debris in the rear(s) then it does perhaps need to come out, If you want to take the wheels off you could use brake clean to clean things up and perhaps who knows if you spray enough on you might flush out some tiny bits to loosen others.

 

If taking wheels off these cars with stupid wheel bolts instead wheel studs I recommend the use of at least one but better two "alignment tools" to stop the wheel slipping and causing you possible injury (I done my back in for years with just the wheel slipping off  25mm to the ground, bloody silly bolts lack of studs).

 

 

 

If your braking efficiency remakes good (much of which comes from the tyres, same for steering and suspension) then you could perhaps put up with the squeal and see if it reduces with more use of the car and brakes.

 

If you believed the old saying, advertising and marketing about German engineering is/was good or high quality then you might have learnt now that diminished many years back.

 

On my wife's 2015 Fabia changing the front pads and discs was the easiest I have ever done on a car, not that I have done many, and the rears were the second easiest I have ever done, a car 10 years younger might have more to it I do not know but I would imagine not a lot more if any.  But you may not want to go that route for several reasons, in the UK the VWŠ Dealerships what a lot of money for this simple work and may well only offer the same quality of parts already fitted to the car already but I have no idea about your country.

 

 I am of course refering to the two last  "rear brake" pictures, that they do not look right compared to the two front ones that are clear and smooth without  deep grooves....

 

 

Edited 16 February, 20251 yr by szilvita

17 minutes ago, szilvita said:

 I am of course refering to the two last  "rear brake" pictures, that they do not look right compared to the two front ones that are clear and smooth without  deep grooves....

Yes but originally you reported noise to the front.

 

You are right about that, I was quite sure that the stone squeaking sound came from the front. But noise in a car can fool you pretty bad. Either was I fooled the first time, or they are two different cases.

 

Inspecting the wheels now, the new squeaking must come from the rear. The discs should not look (and sound) like that already, especially not on BOTH sides! Dealer agreed and I will call the mechanics tomorrow. We'll see.... 

Edited 16 February, 20251 yr by szilvita

It is plain from your photos that your car's rear discs are badly scored, but there is no reason to think they might have been in that state from new and it is unlikely the scoring has resulted from anything other than 'foreign bodies' (eg. gravel).

 

It will be interesting to learn what your Skoda dealership's reaction is to this issue is (I'm very doubtful that the Skoda warranty would cover it) but it really needs the brake-pads removing from the rear brake callipers and a check made whether there is anything embedded in the pads that might have caused the damage and result in further harm.

Edited 16 February, 20251 yr by DerekU

30 minutes ago, szilvita said:

You are right about that, I was quite sure that the stone squeaking sound came from the front. But noise in a car can fool you pretty bad. Either was I fooled the first time, or they are two different cases.

Yeap I almost put that.  Sounds are very hard to pin down, and yes they might be two separate incidents.

 

31 minutes ago, szilvita said:

The discs should not look (and sound) like that already, especially not on BOTH sides! Dealer agreed and I will call the mechanics tomorrow. We'll see.... 

Thing is the damage is from external source.  Who knows what gets transported on our roads (and perhaps shouldn't or illegal) to fall out of vehicles and on to our roads and cars.

 

Good thing is you are not in the UK for this, the cards are stacked in the favour of the motor trade and they spend a lot of money to ensure this same for Germany with their car industry it seems but I know other countries don't let them get away with so much, UK lucky to get 3 years warranty out of VW and other supposedly "better" car manufacturers yet they have to give 7 years in Sweden (and Australia I believe). 

 

Good luck with them. 👍

 

We instantly thought the same: bet warranty won't cover it!!🙄😑.... 🙏🤞...

 

First the stone in the wheel, then a month in I get an ugly black spotted, but luckily quite smal, chip (?) in the windshield on drivers side (covered by insurance but still really annoying on a new car) and now this.... 😞

 

Here we only have 2 years of warranty on Skoda, same with Ford.

 

Kia brags with 7 years. Big selling point 

Edited 16 February, 20251 yr by szilvita

2 years!  Yet a "lesser" manufacturer like Kia can give 7, says something about VW's confidence in their products (given the quality of some of their parts you can see why) and how much they care about their customers really.

 

Kia are no longer that much lower price in the UK but even when they were they were still quite good and longer warranty than the likes of VW and Ford.  Neighbours have 18 and 20 year old Kia Picantos and next to nothing goes wrong with them or parts to replace despite being "cheap" cars from an "inferior" manufacturer to the (incorrectly perceived) higher quality of the likes of VW products.  Out of the cars I drove, 17 year old Kia Picanto, 1 year old Nissan Quasqui, 7 year old Vauxhall Corsa, 8 year old VWŠkoda Fabia Mk3 1.2 TSI 90, I much preferred to drive the 17 year old Kia Picanto 1.1 (4 cylinder na).

 

Problem with a new car, or newly restored or painted car, is you can become too precious about it despite it only being a lump of metal (and lots of plastics for modern cars) and the first dinks and scratches cut the deepest (as PP Arnold told us, and Rod Stewart and others).  I've had loads of examples of this over the years and decades.  We have to consider ourselves lucky that we can be so concerned about such unimportant tings as all these things can be sorted and replaced, or perhaps later just accepted and almost forgotten.  Don't wash the car often and you will see them less, I can assure you of this, and the car still goes on, and lasts .  😁

 

Left the car at Skoda. I got a call from the receptionist that the mechanics could not hear any squeaking when riding my car.( I I agree, haven't heard it today either probably because it's rainy and wet). I had to go and talk with him. He said if he could not hear anything he could not know if he had solved the issue and the warranty folks would not accept his change of brakes if he has not heard it himself. He could see the grooves but that wasn't anything that would not pass a ..."periodic technical inspection" (??).

 

I told him when and how I experienced the sounds and that was why I noticed the grooves on rear discs.  I was not very satisfied with just getting back my car without anything done at all. Several people have seen the pictures and all agree that a brand new car should not look and sound like that already, even his own sales colleague said so. Told him that the alternative would just be me coming back another day when the squeaking returned, probably a "dry day".... 😑... (And annoyed about wasting my days off at the mechanics with a brand new car 😒)

 

After some thinking he asked if I had time to wait, then he would change them....

So this is what I got back....

 

I played around with the brakes for 1-2 km on my way back and they feel more soft, less sensitive.  When I drove the car home the first time and touched the brake we almost "banged our heads on the dashboard" it was sooo prompt when touching 😆. Now it somehow feels more comfortable.

 

Well, I don't  know.... Hopefully no more squeaking brakes. 

Edited 21 February, 20251 yr by szilvita

3 hours ago, szilvita said:

I played around with the brakes for 1-2 km on my way back and they feel more soft, less sensitive.  When I drove the car home the first time and touched the brake we almost "banged our heads on the dashboard" it was sooo prompt when touching 😆. Now it somehow feels more comfortable.

That what used to be called "bedding-in" I am surprised (and then not surprised) no one mentioned this and told you to take it easy on the brakes for a while, plus if it was still raining.  Has he, or had, the discs skimmed to reduce the surface to a smoother level or replaced them, with new or slightly used others, I have no idea of the facilities there.  Whatever you are happier with the brakes.

 

Careful now where you drive and what over or in to. 😆

 

Well done, good luck.

 

Ferodo's advice on bedding in brakes is here

 

https://www.ferodo.com/en-gb/blog/give-brakes-a-break.html

 

There are on-line discussions/videos about resurfacing brake rotors in situ, but the methods are only practicable if the rotor can be spun (ie. on the front brakes of front-wheel-drive vehicles) and it's doubtful that a reputable dealership would attempt it.

 

I drive a new vehicle carefully for the first 200 or so miles, but the only  car I've deliberately bedded in brakes was on a VW Golf GTi Mk 1 in an attempt to get the thing to stop! I had fitted Mintex road/rally brake pads and followed the type of procedure shown here

 

https://mintex.com/bedding-procedure/?lang=en-gbr

 

The result was terrible noise from the brakes (front disc/rear drum) and no stopping improvement. I tried everything (even prayer sometimes) to get the Golf to stop from high speed, but nothing worked. It was a well-known problem resulting from VW's hare-brained LHD-to-RHD conversion and a solution only came when a 3rd-party specialist managed to move the brake servo from the left to the right in the engine compartment. Complaints to VW elicited the response "The car will easily pass the UK's MOT brake test".

 

Modern cars have ABS brakes with powerful servo-assistance and the front brakes contribute most (up to 80%) of the braking power. So, even if brand-new rear discs and pads were fitted to Szilvita's Fabia, it's doubtful that the braking performance would be noticeably better.

 

My 2024 Fabia's brakes (disc front/drum rear) need a light touch at low speeds, but so do the brakes of my 2009 Roomster (disc front and rear) that, after 24k miles, is still on its original discs/pads. At speed and driven hard, the brakes of both cars are much less aggressive - which is to be expected will be the case. 

 

Szilvita's comment that "When I drove the car home the first time and touched the brake we almost "banged our heads on the dashboard" it was sooo prompt when touching" doesn't surprise me - it's just a question of getting used to a car's characteristics.

szilvita didn't say how long he waited at the garage and we have no idea what actual work was done only that he discs in the later photos look better perhaps the mechanic also found something else to sort on the brakes or system.   szilvita did put that the mechanic said he would change them so perhaps new discs and pads were fitted it was just my speculation that other work might have been done.  szilvita did put he played around with the brakes for 1-2 km and they felt softer and less sensitive.

 

I assume now that the mechanic might have lied, or suddenly heard the brakes screeching, and replaced the discs and pads under warranty, I've no idea what goes on in a garage in Sweden but have some idea of what goes on in garages in the UK and know there are ways and means of achieving what a mechanic or garage want.

 

If new discs and pads were fitted then szilvita should have been advised about bedding them in, perhaps he was and just forgot or forgot to mention it here we can only go on what's posted or the way we read and interpret the post(s).

 

I put 1144 pads on the front of my 1973 Midget and they were still on it when I sold it a couple of years ago and I can't remember doing anything other than my usual for bedding in but testing a new set on Long Mynd prior to going to the Welsh mountains I did have wisps of smoke when I waited just off the bottom for my mate in his Supra so I had to drive on to cool things for him to catch up later.  No servo on that of course not that it adds to stopping, numbs the feel of things a bit.

 

The Mk1Golf GTi is the only VW I've ever really fancied having, I was a passenger in one the late 70s or very early 80s so I would guess now it was an early RHD as it was a brand new sought after car and the owner's husband was a flash owner of pubs so plenty of money to get the latest of everything for the wife, I was very impressed with the car though she drove it quite slow, it was very different to the old British bangers I was more used to driving and being in, I owned a pushbike at the time saving for a future 15% interest mortgage, sweet not so sweet memories. 😃 

It's plain from szilvita's 'before-and-after' photos showing the rear discs's hubs

 

 

 

 

that his Fabia's original badly-scored discs were replaced at the Danish dealership, but it would need a closer inspection to establish if the pads were also replaced. 

11 minutes ago, DerekU said:

his Fabia's original badly-scored discs were replaced at the Danish dealership, but it would need a closer inspection to establish if the pads were also replaced.

I kind of hope so because used pads don't bed well to new discs.