Coming from quite a well tuned Fabia vRS. The two cars are in completely different leagues. Style, comfort, handling and speed etc.

You will be hard pushed to get 275bhp with just a "simple" remap , CAI, full exhaust with sports cat + more and you may get close , you've only got to ask the Octy VRS owners what they've done to get 250bhp (yeah i know they start from a lower bhp figure)

In answer to the question why a Leon Cupra R recieves more HP than a Octavia vRS once remapped, is simply because the Cupra R uses a bigger turbo.

As I said already, comparing my 'modded' Fabia vRS to my standard LCR, is pointless. The LCR would waste all over it. In gear or not...

It would take a Hybrid Turbo'd Fabia to come somewhat close to a standard LCR, but still wouldn't be as quick as the Cupra R as it can make more of its revs.

I don't think any Fabia could match a remapped Leon Cupra R, dispite what has been said. But it's all bickering .... and 'highest torque figures' that comes out.

That 530nm of torque or whatever, is only peak torque and comes in before 2,500 revs, but just because that's a high figure, doesn't mean you'll hold 530nm to 4,300 revs. So thats irrelevant.

Back to the original question. Test drive an LCR, Don't expect a huge bang at 2,300 revs like you would do in the Fabia because you won't get that. What you'll get is a hugely strong surge right to 6,000 revs and beyond.

If you've got any questions to ask about how I compare them.. Just let me know..

yea his name is John Cooper!!!!

Yeah thats the car. Its insane and it appears that John drives it like is meant to be driven

"It would take a Hybrid Turbo'd Fabia to come somewhat close to a standard LCR, but still wouldn't be as quick as the Cupra R as it can make more of its revs"

High revs mean sod all, so why did the AUDI R10 beat the other high petrol revving cars at Le Mans? If it were true what you say it would have been slaughtered. Its to do with gearing too as the fabia will have longer gearing to compensate the lower power band so the speed per gear 6th speed vs 6speed will be very similiar.

If a fabia has a h ybrid turbo and is remapped properly it will beat a standard LCR, its actual over a second quicker between 60-100, i have proof i have 2 speedo vids compared.

Stop talking about Le Mans, there track cars and are completely different to Road cars. Why don't you host the videos?

Stop talking about Le Mans, there track cars and are completely different to Road cars. Why don't you host the videos?

Il host them very shortly .

Your talking rubbish, like for like whether its on the track or the road if it was all about high revs it would have been killed on a track or a road regardless;)

I'll leave you to your comments. I've owned both of the cars, which is why I feel I can talk about them in detail.

Stop talking about Le Mans, there track cars and are completely different to Road cars. Why don't you host the videos?

Putfile - LCR vid

Putfile - PD130 acceleration

To me, the Leon Cupra R is a good bit faster....

To me, the Leon Cupra R is a good bit faster....

, try a stopwatch. The TDi is 2 secs faster from 30-100mph, thats closer to remapped LCR territory.

20-100 mph, they are exactly the same.

The reason you chose 30-100, is because the Leon makes a gear change.

If you were to stick them both in second gear from 20mph. You'll see the clear winner.

20-100 mph, they are exactly the same.

The reason you chose 30-100, is because the Leon makes a gear change.

If you were to stick them both in second gear from 20mph. You'll see the clear winner.

The reason i chose 30-100 was because thats when the diesel was floored so at 20 would have been an unfair comparison. Also the TDI was in second not first which should have given the LCR the advantage. If the LCR was in second it would have been slower to take off.

Believe what you will...

But that PD130 is no match for a remapped Cupra R IMHO.

Cheers..

Believe what you will...

But that PD130 is no match for a remapped Cupra R IMHO.

Cheers..

Agreed, the best ive got from mine up to date is 7.4 for the 60-100. Ive seen a remapped cupra do it in 7.2, not exactly "no match" though. On the road it would be hard to notice.

That is where a your car excels, I agree. But, in a pure straight line ... The Cupra R will be quite a bit ahead from 0-100, 110, 120, 130, 140, and even more so by 150+

Your car is fast, I agree. I'm also very impressed by it

Still fun having a laugh trying though, right

That said I am looking to make mine sufficiently fast for a LCR to have to actually give it a fair bit of beans to get ahead & drive away, there are still loads of faster cars out there though and I realise that

Still fun having a laugh trying though, right

That said I am looking to make mine sufficiently fast for a LCR to have to actually give it a fair bit of beans to get ahead & drive away, there are still loads of faster cars out there though and I realise that

Once your car is remapped, and in it's final state, (for the time being lol) How would you rate it to a standard LCR. Then to a remapped one?

...High revs mean sod all, so why did the AUDI R10 beat the other high petrol revving cars at Le Mans?...

because it was allowed a larger fuel tank and therefore needed to pit less often :P

to be honest having watched the old heyford videos, i doubt a fabia vrs would be quicker than an lcr

if you want a car to keep up with a M3 M5 or any fast car yoU need to GET A EVO OR SUPARA OR SKY LINE AND GET IT CHAVED UP LIKE FAST AND FURIUOS

Coming from quite a well tuned Fabia vRS. The two cars are in completely different leagues. Style, comfort, handling and speed etc.

In answer to the question why a Leon Cupra R recieves more HP than a Octavia vRS once remapped, is simply because the Cupra R uses a bigger turbo.

As I said already, comparing my 'modded' Fabia vRS to my standard LCR, is pointless. The LCR would waste all over it. In gear or not...

It would take a Hybrid Turbo'd Fabia to come somewhat close to a standard LCR, but still wouldn't be as quick as the Cupra R as it can make more of its revs.

I don't think any Fabia could match a remapped Leon Cupra R, dispite what has been said. But it's all bickering .... and 'highest torque figures' that comes out.

That 530nm of torque or whatever, is only peak torque and comes in before 2,500 revs, but just because that's a high figure, doesn't mean you'll hold 530nm to 4,300 revs. So thats irrelevant.

Back to the original question. Test drive an LCR, Don't expect a huge bang at 2,300 revs like you would do in the Fabia because you won't get that. What you'll get is a hugely strong surge right to 6,000 revs and beyond.

Mine makes 570nm at 2300rpm and it s still making 480nm at 4700rpm, and it makes 247 bhp at 3700rpm and it still makes 215bhp on the rev limiter!!!! (5000rpm) and yes it is quicker than a chipped LCR

Mine makes 570nm at 2300rpm and it s still making 480nm at 4700rpm, and it makes 247 bhp at 3700rpm and it still makes 215bhp on the rev limiter!!!! (5000rpm) and yes it is quicker than a chipped LCR

Is the boost kept fairly constant to the redline? Do you have uprated injectors and whats the smoke and smoothness like?

You will be hard pushed to get 275bhp with just a "simple" remap , CAI, full exhaust with sports cat + more and you may get close , you've only got to ask the Octy VRS owners what they've done to get 250bhp (yeah i know they start from a lower bhp figure) but at the end of the day an M5 is still going to whip the *** of the LCR

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some RR figures for LCRs on Awesomes RR

The 225 bhp engines are alot more capible than the 180's, have a look on here:

Welcome to Leon Turbo!

and look at the site owners car (which started as the 180bhp)

He has ALOT of mods and isnt making that much more than a 225 with a remap

I was at star performance a few months ago for a SEAT rolling road day, it was quite clear that the LCR's made alot more power than the 180 leon cupra's and alot of LCR's were making power in the 260-270 mark, and the 180 LC a fair bit less!

And there is a fair bit more that a bigger turbo in the 225 engine, the internals are stronger, differnt injectors, etc

The LCR will make 260 to 270 with only a remap. Have a stop at seatcupra.net and ask around, lots of the guys on there running a variety of maps all in the 260 to 270 range. It will handle 270 bhp without suspension / brake modifications (Brembo brakes etc.) plus it looks good standard (subjective opinion) and has the rarity thing going for it.

Something to consider is the depreciation, as the LCR is holding it value well, so you will lose substantially less money on the LCR than a heavily modded Fabia over two or three years.

Mine makes 570nm at 2300rpm and it s still making 480nm at 4700rpm, and it makes 247 bhp at 3700rpm and it still makes 215bhp on the rev limiter!!!! (5000rpm) and yes it is quicker than a chipped LCR

What are the stats for the chipped LCR? I would have thought that would have more than 215bhp across the bulk of the rev range, as well as having a bigger rev range to exploit that power?

Chris

What are the stats for the chipped LCR? I would have thought that would have more than 215bhp across the bulk of the rev range, as well as having a bigger rev range to exploit that power?

Chris

Yes but bigger rev range = shorter gearbox , shorter rev range = longer gearbox. when you compare the 6th speed gearbox on both cars. You can get similiar speed out of each gear on both of the cars so once there is acceleration all the way the rev range becomes irrelevent. One could argue that there would be more drag on the longer gearing of the diesel but thats where the huge torque comes in to balance that out.

If the diesel had the same gearbox ratios as the LCR then it would be in trouble.