What a bloody pointless arguement.....

I'll leave you too it.

Where did peak torque appear? Just out of curiosity....

Its been i while now, i think possibly 4200 rpm (although i may be getting mixed up with the recent RR bhp peak of my fabia)

My toledo made 142.5bhp with a decat and swiss chessed air box (RR was accurate at many 1.8t golfs made near band on 150 bhp)

What a bloody pointless arguement.....

I'll leave you too it.

I give up too, im outa here:rofl:

Having owned a Superchipped VRs then a LCR225 and back to my current Vrs Celtic Tuning, i think i could add something ot to this thread. These cars are totally different, the LCR is a very fast car and you can sustain the urgency all the way to the limit....the vrs just has big waves of torque that makes it seem very fast, but its fast in short burst ( peak torque) ..My current Vrs i feel is faster upto 4000rpms then my old LCR meaning in gear is better, but once then LCR gets going it was much faster top end than the vrs..Its ok having a highly tuned vrs but it still cant match the handling and driving charcteristics of an LCR. I miss my LCR greatly but dont miss the fuel consumption which averaged around 20-25. If your curious about getting an LCR , just do it and find out for yourself as i did..having owned many fast diesels i just had to try a fast petrol and wasnt dispointed with the LCR !

It is as per always IMHO - i.e. just enjoy the car you own/drive, if you want to tune it, go for it. Hell if you want to 'take on' a little racing that's up to you too

Some cars are good at some things and bad at others, all cars are a compromise in some way. Depending on amount of dosh you are able to spend, you may be better off getting a different car.

SWMBO has a petrol car as it suits her particular driving requirements well, whereas driving her car would kill me financially (*note this excludes the engine related grief I've had as that IS killing me too :P *) for my job.

I've seen some absolutely amazing cars 'out there', and these also include several that are NOT high performance cars that have been tweaked in a nice way. There are cars out there which are not to my taste, a bit max power/custom paint job OTT, some however are done VERY skillfully too.

A tuned turbodiesel and a tuned turbo petrol will just emphasise the differences in the engine technology, the petrol will be able to hit MUCH higher bhp and will reach a higher top speed generally.

Certainly wouldn't loose any sleep over 'loosing' to a better performing car at any stage

I have to agree at least partially with hwat WW_VRS said above.

For one the furby's been the best car I've ever owned. Beats the second best hands down and I'm very happy with the furby. But then again, what I want from a car differ greatly from what many others may want.

So, to jump some conclusions - there are at least 2 different kinds of main owner groups for the furby:

1) tuners/boy racers (note the hint of sarcasm) - these are the ones who've bought the furby purely for perfomance and really just want the car to go fast. typically they race more often than others. these are the ones worried about M5's and LCR's ?

3) economically aware, like me - I bought the car because I have a long daily commute and wanted a car that was cheap to run. I also wanted a car that has "enough" power for easy over taking. Furby suites my needs perfectly.

Now, I admit it, I quite often find myself day dreaming about coilovers, break upgrades, remaps... the works. I'd also really like to beat every car I ever race, cuz I still do race occasionally. But, I also admit the fact that in the current state I shouldn't really be playing with faster cars than 320 beemers or maybe some older 325's if I'm really pushing it. It also gives me great pleasure when I manage to push some say older 325 in the mud, cuz I know it's a faster car. So, it means I must have been the faster driver! Or the other guy just wasn't trying - but these are normally easy to spot.

I also enjoy teasing more expensive and possibly faster cars on steep uphills. It's nice to see the other blokes frustration.. you all know how this works

Anyway, one has to be realistic about ones own car and know it's limits. It's pointless to say furby is faster than a lcr or a chipped lcr. Jabba luke said he's beaten some numerous of times. Well, his car is propably the most tuned furby I've ever had the pleasure of reading about. And if the man says so, I have no reason to doubt it. As for a general conclusion, LCR is definately faster than most furbies will ever be. It just comes down to one certain furby and one certain lcr at one particular moment and the abilities of their current drivers!

So everybody wins Some furbies out run LCR's chipped or not, most LCR's chipped or not out run general majority of furbies. And there are drivers who just don't give a rats hiney about wether it happens or not and there are drivers who'd like their furbies to eat Ferrari Enzo's for breakfast - realistic or not.

And as a final side note, I've never felt ashamed or dissapointed if I've given my furby all the beans available and still lost a race. The other car was just faster - respect! It only ****es me off if I've lost to slower car due to fcsucking it up myself.

Just my 2c worth...

Well put (ps not sure whether I'd go in category 1 or 3, I'm supposed to be in the economically aware but have spent crazy money so that makes me go into the tuners side a bit too :P )

Hee hee,

What I cant understand is why people dont believe real road tests.

Jabba have a Leon Cupra R that has turbo back turbo and FMIC.

and Jabba_Lukes with lots of kit.

They have tried both and the Fabia was quicker. End of story surely????

Ok so send £4k on mobifiing you Fabia and it will be around the same performance of a Leon with maybe £1200 worth of kit...

Why is it that when people do real test no one believes them ??????????

So all this is staying Jabba_Lukes Fabia will out run a LEON R (chipped). This is not saying that a std R and a chipped Fabia would be the same story.

And too be honest who cares, we buy and modify our cars for our likes dislikes.

Who mapped the Leon Cupra R involved in the road test?

Chris

what a pointless thread

everyone knows mines the fasterest even when dispencing burgers

Listen up guys, My dad has an M5, and i happen to have a 265bhp LCR. I would love to say the leon is just as fast.......but no. Even with 265 bhp it only manages 5.5 seconds ish 0-60. The M5 will always eat my leon up any day but i have noticesd a massive difference, the M5 will struggle to leave my leon at the lights. the other day my old man gave me a race and couldn't shake my off untill we got to 110mph, then offcourse he managed to pull away into the distance.

But yeah its true, you pay

5.5 seconds to 60? You must get really good traction...

Putfile - LCR vid

Putfile - PD130 acceleration

This is my Revo'd LCR... Just for comparison..

YouTube - Cupra R Acceleration

and..

YouTube - Cupra R Acceleration 2

Now bare in mind this was on a slight incline, but you get the idea..

In all fairness though, speedo vids don't prove a great deal. As anyone can go and find a steep hill and film there car booting it's way down it. Would be a lot quicker..

But from what i've experienced, a remapped/Standard LCR would leave any Fabia vRS, remapped or not..

Another thing to point out with the original LCR vid. Is that the bloke left his traction control on (for some ridiculous reason) and you can see it cut his power when he's at about 20mph. That would have cost hom big time, trust me! Why he did the test with it on is beyond me..

But from what i've experienced, a remapped/Standard LCR would leave any Fabia vRS, remapped or not..

Another thing to point out with the original LCR vid. Is that the bloke left his traction control on (for some ridiculous reason) and you can see it cut his power when he's at about 20mph. That would have cost hom big time, trust me! Why he did the test with it on is beyond me..

So, why did you fail to notice in the TDI vid that the same thing happened??

Regarding my video, hand on heart it was done on level ground that actually was going around a visable bend which would cause more friction.

Actually, the real answer is to keep the Furby and buy yourself a decent sports motorcycle !

That way you smoke the M5 and just about anything else for that matter !

If you want "really quick" then get a bike !

There are very few bikes that will keep up with an M5 in any situation, there are even less bikers who would be capable of using such a machine to keep up with an M5. I dont think people realise just how quick the M5 really is, the only things really worth comparing it's performance to cost nearly a quarter of a million pounds, Audi make nothing close, Mercedes make the Mc'Laren SLR and thats one of the quarter million brigade!

Listen up guys, My dad has an M5, and i happen to have a 265bhp LCR. I would love to say the leon is just as fast.......but no. Even with 265 bhp it only manages 5.5 seconds ish 0-60. The M5 will always eat my leon up any day but i have noticesd a massive difference, the M5 will struggle to leave my leon at the lights. the other day my old man gave me a race and couldn't shake my off untill we got to 110mph, then offcourse he managed to pull away into the distance.

But yeah its true, you pay £50k+ for a performcance car, you expect it to be something special, my car and remap altogehter cost around £12k. and i would easily smoke most things on the road all day.

Id go for a LCR instead of a furby, its more fun to drive and in my opinion more tunable for the money.

I'm not saying your a liar, but -

If your dad really has got an M5 you'd know that you stood no chance away from the lights, when you reached 110mph he'd have been 2 miles away down the road bouncing of the 155mph limiter, even if you doubled the power of your Leon you still wouldn't be close, and the M5 wouldn't have even had to go into the computer and turn the power up, or press the 'M' button ('M' button doesn't increase horsepower, it sharpens up the suspension and steering, and relaxes the traction and stability control, you must use the on board computer to turn up the power), the fact is a rear wheel drive will always put it's power down far better than any front wheel drive, I will drive my brothers M5 one day, but just being a passenger is enough, it's a whole new level of fast.

So, why did you fail to notice in the TDI vid that the same thing happened??

Regarding my video, hand on heart it was done on level ground that actually was going around a visable bend which would cause more friction.

It doesn't look or sound like it cut in as much on the TDi. You can see the revs hold back on the LCR which generally indicates that it's cut in. Where as the TDi doesn't seem to get held back.. but in all fairness it's hard to cast to much judgement on either off just a vid..

Is it you TDi mate?

Yeah it's mine. Done a few tweaks since that video, should be a few tenths quicker now. Next time i'm on the autobahn I must do a new video.

There are very few bikes that will keep up with an M5 in any situation, there are even less bikers who would be capable of using such a machine to keep up with an M5. I dont think people realise just how quick the M5 really is, the only things really worth comparing it's performance to cost nearly a quarter of a million pounds, Audi make nothing close, Mercedes make the Mc'Laren SLR and thats one of the quarter million brigade!

I'm not saying your a liar, but -

If your dad really has got an M5 you'd know that you stood no chance away from the lights, when you reached 110mph he'd have been 2 miles away down the road bouncing of the 155mph limiter, even if you doubled the power of your Leon you still wouldn't be close, and the M5 wouldn't have even had to go into the computer and turn the power up, or press the 'M' button ('M' button doesn't increase horsepower, it sharpens up the suspension and steering, and relaxes the traction and stability control, you must use the on board computer to turn up the power), the fact is a rear wheel drive will always put it's power down far better than any front wheel drive, I will drive my brothers M5 one day, but just being a passenger is enough, it's a whole new level of fast.

I suppose I depends on what kind of M5 he's got. The E34 with 310bhp, the E39 with 400bhp or the E60 with 400/500 bhp. The only one he'd stand a chance with is the E34 and that's only cos they're quite heavy for their power. He'd still have you at higher speeds. The E39 would blow you into the weeds and the E60....well......you said it perfectly above.

Yeah sorry, was referring to the latest shape one E60 then I guess.

Next time my brother comes down I'm gonna take it out for a spin, not a bad motor for a company car though eh!

*******!

Both are spanking cars but wholly different. Everyone expects a LCR with a Revo sticker in the window to be fast. Nobody expects a diesel Skoda hatch to be fast. Therein is the fun IMO.

I swapped from a mapped 20VT (180 variant mapped to 217 bhp with Revo 4bar fuel reg) and have gone to a custom code Fabia VRS. I enjoy the fabia more knowing that I am not ****ing my money away on fuel (I’d rather do that on beer), and because the fabia is, IMO, easier to live with for someone who has 30Kmiles per year job.

Horses for courses, if I had a smaller commute I’d have the LCR and IHI it. Either way, agree with nearly everyone else – only so much can be put through 2 front wheels, and an M5 or Evo will always tan ure ***. Take satisfaction in the fact that one of their tyres costs more than 4 of your fabia ones J

Worth a look - see stage 4.

ATMR Racing Team

???? So you can tune a diesel to 260+, whereas you can also tune an LCR to 400+ ..

Tuning is pointless.

The standard cars, agaisnt one another, is no contest, the LCR will dissappear, remap them both, and the same thing happens etc.

Agreed. Read the above again. Horses for courses. I didn't buy a VRS to beat high spec petrols (although i believe it can be done), i did it as a compromise, to save money and have a little bit of fun at the same time.

Performance wise, petrol will always win, standard compared to standard, or tuned compared to tuned, but i didn't like putting £55 in the tank and only getting 280 miles, which i was getting from my cupra.

Tuning is pointless.

Those words are near blasphemous :P