Hope Skoda don't suffer - but can't see how they wont...

Both Volkswagen and Audi are suffering chastastrphic engine failures due to the oil pump deciding to lunch itself --- result is 1 knackered engine full of scrap metal.

So far we have 2, speaking to our other branch they have had 3 and Audi have done a couple also -- only the 170bhp TDi affecrted.

Very little warning - Oil light comes on - engine becomes noisey almost instanlty followed by a horrible crunching noise...

We have removed the sump of one of ours - and found the sump full of metal -- the remains of the oil pump.

Seem's like this engine is cursed. Think I'd still go for the 140bhp 2.0 with a remap if I wanted a fast 2.0TDI

I assume we should be expecting a recall?

That's a new record, I pick mine up tomorrow morning :|

Dave.

I assume we should be expecting a recall?

That's a new record, I pick mine up tomorrow morning :|

Dave.

Too early to say -- there is quite a difference in failure mileage on the two we have -- one only done 2,000 miles the other nearly 9,000 miles. Hopefully it will be a limited batch - obviously they will be monitoring closely - everytime a VW or Audi dealer does a repair like this they have to report to VAG - so they will quickly see a pattern and will be able to check the affected number of engines - if it is a small number they will just allow repairs as required - if it is a large number then yes they will issue a (very expensive) recall.

Typical - I ordered a new one on Monday.

oh dear... :(

As Dave says they will be monitoring the data very carefully. I suspect they'll even be able to identify the shift on which the suspect engines were built and most probably who had anything to do with the oil pumps on them.

They'll narrow it down and hopefully find out it was a dodgy batch of parts.

whoopsie!

who makes the oil pumps?

whoopsie!

who makes the oil pumps?

Not sure - but its not VAG - bought in from outside supplier. I would think the numbers involved will be relatively small as the 170 tdi is still quite new.

Just glad that next one is petrol....

Seem's like this engine is cursed. Think I'd still go for the 140bhp 2.0 with a remap if I wanted a fast 2.0TDI

Or maybe just get a Honda diesel? Or a decent petol engine?

Oddly enough we have had four Passats with the 2.0 PD engine fail. The drive lug on the oil pump strips and oil pressure is lost.

All 140's though not 170's. Got two in at the moment having new engines.

- everytime a VW or Audi dealer does a repair like this they have to report to VAG - so they will quickly see a pattern and will be able to check the affected number of engines - if it is a small number they will just allow repairs as required - if it is a large number then yes they will issue a (very expensive) recall.

Wow! Yet another tough call for VAG-UK or SUK. Will it be head-in-the-sand, owing to stuff that's too hard to follow, or blame the punters and make them pay if 1 mile over the warranty period?

Seriously though, someone capable of rational thought in the organization must decide if there are yet sufficient failures to order a stop-ship, or mass recall as you say. I've hinted at it elsewhere, but VAG are plummeting in quality, so will they step up to the plate and make the consumers happy AND fix the problems or go the way of the so-called British car industry....?

I am angry to hear that fellow Skoda owners (or VAG owners in general), get this kind of hassle from poor quality control. If only we had a government system that supported consumers rather than getting 'oiled' by their big-business mates, we'd surely have a law that demanded at least a five year/150K miles comprehensive warranty for cars (or maybe double this). Anything less should be considered an eco-disaster and get banned. You'd then find these kind of failures getting much rarer, methinks.

Eco thinking and Quality thinking are well-suited bed-mates.

Wow! Yet another tough call for VAG-UK or SUK. Will it be head-in-the-sand, owing to stuff that's too hard to follow, or blame the punters and make them pay if 1 mile over the warranty period?

Seriously though, someone capable of rational thought in the organization must decide if there are yet sufficient failures to order a stop-ship, or mass recall as you say. I've hinted at it elsewhere, but VAG are plummeting in quality, so will they step up to the plate and make the consumers happy AND fix the problems or go the way of the so-called British car industry....?

I am angry to hear that fellow Skoda owners (or VAG owners in general), get this kind of hassle from poor quality control. If only we had a government system that supported consumers rather than getting 'oiled' by their big-business mates, we'd surely have a law that demanded at least a five year/150K miles comprehensive warranty for cars (or maybe double this). Anything less should be considered an eco-disaster and get banned. You'd then find these kind of failures getting much rarer, methinks.

Eco thinking and Quality thinking are well-suited bed-mates.

Can't comment for Skoda - but both Volkswagen and Audi are very pro active on recalls -- some that require a letter to customer to bring car in - some that are just software updates or checks as and when a car comes in -- I'm sure that if a recall is required they will do it - especially as it appears to involve both 2.0Tdi engines

Can't comment for Skoda - but both Volkswagen and Audi are very pro active on recalls -- some that require a letter to customer to bring car in - some that are just software updates or checks as and when a car comes in -- I'm sure that if a recall is required they will do it - especially as it appears to involve both 2.0Tdi engines

From a consumer point of view, this is a joke, however 'concerned' VW or Audi appear to be. The decision point is not based on genuine care for the consumer, but more driven by either possible bad press that will damage sales or reputations, or direct legal action which has a similar effect in the end. Don't be naive, every decision is based on a best-guess financial profit/loss expectation, and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that so long as as we all know the game play.

What you say I don't dispute. Many recalls are however easy and trivial (read:cheap) to do these days because in fact it helps create an illusion of a caring vendor.

My dispute is about what happens when VAG-UK obviously realize there is a generic design problem (elec. window winders and coils as examples), and bluster their way through this, so that some people pay through the nose (UK) and others (US) get new modified/improved parts parts fitted completely free.

I'm only asking that for global products we have global transparency of the facts and a global policy for dealing with problems....

Thanks for the info everyone. Will keep an eye on this thread from now on.

John.

This is something to keep my eye on, i'm coming up to 9000 miles now and my first service is due soon (i'm on fixed whilst they are free), although there isn't much you can do to avoid the engine going pop if you do have a failure by the sounds of it.

What's other peoples oil consumption like? I've put a litre in during the first 9000 miles, don't know if that's typical but my old 1.6 focus needed no oil other than at service time.

MY PD140 uses about a litre every 5000 miles and it's almost done 40k now

Oil consumption is normal -- would expect around a litre for every 4-6,000 miles on average - although the spec is a litre per 600 miles !!!!!

Ross were the PD140 different to the ones used in the octy as IIRC the engine is mounted differently in the passat is it not?

Ross were the PD140 different to the ones used in the octy as IIRC the engine is mounted differently in the passat is it not?

Passat engine is mounted longnitudely(sp) rather than trransverse as in the golf/octavia.

Not seen any golf's have this failure yet - only passat and would appear more 140's than 170's

I do hope that 'German Quality' isn't turning into an oxymoron.

I do hope that 'German Quality' isn't turning into an oxymoron.

Probably described by Skoda as a Phenomenum, The word seems to cover a multitude of sins. Still at least they cant hide from this one can they ??

Ross were the PD140 different to the ones used in the octy as IIRC the engine is mounted differently in the passat is it not?

Passat engine is mounted longnitudely(sp) rather than trransverse as in the golf/octavia.

Not seen any golf's have this failure yet - only passat and would appear more 140's than 170's

Not in the new Passat, that uses the same A5 platform with transverse engine.

Not in the new Passat, that uses the same A5 platform with transverse engine.

Indeed it does, not had anymore this week -- hope we don't see anymore either