There's always one on ebay for

There's always one on ebay for £525 buy it now.

Is it worth it? Or is it a waste of money??

PipeWerx - Performance Exhaust Specialist

Same stuff, ex bluflame man, less money, better service IMO.

Worth it on the Fabia? Dead right it is.

Google video blueflame - my fabia should come up

Actually, my car is in the ebay add somewhere, a vid clip.

I take it to get the best from it you have to get a re-map. I already have a PD160 intake but everything else is standard.

The thing is, i've heard from a few sources that performance exhausts on TDIs are a waste of time. Can anyone confirm or deny this???

As Shifty said, the sound alone is worth the purchase.

Had mine for 9 months or so, engine feels much looser. I have turbo back with no cat to allow the plumes of smoke to escape fast!!!!!

Since fitting my Milltek exhaust + Sport cat and a re map. My turbo spools up at just over 1200 rpm. The engine revs rights around to the red line and keeps pulling hard. Plus the engine itself is smoother with the way it delivers the power.

I think they are worth it as turbochargers need low pressure exhaust systems to work their best. Turbos do not like back pressure as this stops the turbine wheel from spinning up as quick.

On my VRS the exhaust made a difference even with a standard map. It made the cars power more flexible and last that bit longer in each gear. In my opinion they are worth it, but then someone will come along and say they arent. Its all down to you really.

I understand about the engine/turbo breathing easier benefit, and know that it's definitely true on petrol turbos. But i've been told that because diesel ones spin up quicker, due to the turbine side of the turbo being different, they don't need to breathe as hard as petrol turbos hence performance exhausts = waste of time money.

Please don't think i'm being awkward, i just wanna make sure i'm making informed decisions, not just buying something 'cos it sounds good (even though i probably will anyway )

I understand about the engine/turbo breathing easier benefit, and know that it's definitely true on petrol turbos. But i've been told that because diesel ones spin up quicker, due to the turbine side of the turbo being different, they don't need to breathe as hard as petrol turbos hence performance exhausts = waste of time money.

Please don't think i'm being awkward, i just wanna make sure i'm making informed decisions, not just buying something 'cos it sounds good (even though i probably will anyway )

Dont buy it for performance reasons as the gains are negligable, if anything. However the aesthetic and audible reasons should be enough to sway you.

Mine has the full miltek system. Not at all ch@vvy sounding, but burbly on tickover and alot less thrashy/tinny at high revs.

Looks good too... :P

i had mine fitted last week turbo back blueflame with motorsports cat but it seems really quiet in the car cant really hear a difference even with the windows happen will it get louger as it ages or are they supposed to be fairly quiet ??

i had mine fitted last week turbo back blueflame with motorsports cat but it seems really quiet in the car cant really hear a difference even with the windows happen will it get louger as it ages or are they supposed to be fairly quiet ??

It certainly aint going to turn inot a throbbing V8 after a new exhaust

Diesels are not designed to sound good... In any way, but it should have mad subtle differences read my last post above ^^^

It certainly aint going to turn inot a throbbing V8 after a new exhaust

Diesels are not designed to sound good... In any way, but it should have mad subtle differences read my last post above ^^^

yeah i know that i just expected the turbo to be a little more audiable im surprised the fact it still has 2 boxs on the system and the cat and i am comparing it with my pug diesel which doesnt have no boxes and no cat

but anyways if you want a good quality system you cant go wrong with blueflame took the local quick fit half hour to fit mine and it only cost 40 quid

If you go for the full on turbo back system, you might want to consider carefully, what remap or further tuning you do.

The cat/exhaust will slug performance, true, but it's also part of the system that's allowing the turbo to live a long and healthy life.

J.

i dont understand how it can prolong a turbos life as the standard exhaust is there to generate back pressure which turbos dont like surely a free flowing exhaust will prolong it

Cheers fot the input people. I'll start saving up. If not for the exhaust, for the insurance hike!!! Which has been one of the other things that has been putting me off.

I do a lot of motorway miles, which is why i bought the vRS in the first place, so i've been trying to kurb my cravings to mod the car too much. I'm still loving the 50mpg average i'm getting

I just don't wanna end up with the kind of running costs i used to have with my old car (because i got carried away with the modding bug!) and feel like i've spent £8k to save £80 per year in fuel (ok so i'm exaggerating there but you get the gist.......)

Since modding my car i have not lost any mpg. In fact on long runs my car has seen 60 mpg+. I have done the usual mods like the pikey vent mod, pd 160 intake, k&n filter, re map + full turbo back ehaust. Thats one thing I like about modding diesels is that driven normally. They will return very good mpg as a standard car would. Drive it hard and you will still see figures that are reasonable. Mine normally does not dip below 40 mpg even when driven hard for a period of time! You cant get that with a petrol!!

Check this out:

YouTube - Skoda Fabia vRS Blueflame Exhaust

Blueflame are cheaper, better sounding, and look better.

I dont think you will get loads of extra power out of just fitting it but, rolling road result will show the power coming in earlier and lasting longer. It really does make a differnace as to how it drives.

I have just put my cat-back Milltek on and it makes a massive differance to how my ar pulls now. Can't wait to get the de-cat on

Ok, i'm sold . I just need to find

Blueflame are cheaper, better sounding, and look better.

Sigh, black cars look best don't they :P

What size oval is that pipe? - looks perfect!

There's always one on ebay for £525 buy it now.

Is it worth it? Or is it a waste of money??

Why would you, or anyone else, want to buy an different exhaust, apart from the reason of the present one falling to bits?

Answer; In no particular order; Looks, Sound and Performance.

Looks - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Go to powerflow and they will custom build whatever you want, quad pipe 4" round on a 1.0L Saxo! They would also do a simple and discreet system plus any variation in between. Blue Flame and Milltek certainly get good votes for their style and high quality.

Sound - how loud to you want it? Get a Peco big-bore back box and be done with it. Milltek do extensive testing to get their systems sounding just right.

Performance - Simple physics will tell you that an exhaust catalyst and silencers will create back-pressure that saps engine power. Fitting a free-flow (bigger bore) exhaust gives less back pressure and so more power to drive the car (instead of chucking gases out the back). This is fine for a normally aspirated engine but Turbo charged engines play by different rules.

Turbo'd engine use the back pressure to help control spool up of the turbo and create controlled boost. A diesel turbo will spool up quicker than a petrol turbo because it does not have a throttle body varying the amount of air going into the engine; a diesel engine, for air intake, is on max throttle ALL the time, its just the amount of fuel that is varied.

I had a long chat with Nick at JabbaSport (reknowned Furby tuners) some time ago and he broadly explained, discussing the Furby vRS naturally, the following;

1. If you fit a cat-back exhaust system (Milltek or Blue Flame) to an otherwise standard engine that's fine; less back pressure - more power; about 5 - 8 bhp extra.

2. Take a remapped engine giving around, say, 160-165bhp and fit a cat-back system, that's fine as above.

3. Take an engine, standard OR remapped, and fit a free-flow system with NO cat, or just take the cat out of a standard system, this reduces back-pressure significantly allowing the turbo to spool quicker but this potentially leads to an 'overboost' situation. The engine management hits the 'trip switch' and puts you into safe/limp home mode! Ouch.

There you go; the eternal triangle - looks, sound, performance; worth £525? You decide.

Hope this helps.

Ok, i'm sold . I just need to find

Just decat the standard system

Cheap and effective.

Bahnstormer has hit the nail on the head there with Looks, Sound & Performance.

Looks

I HATE the standard effort for a tail pipe. IMHO it looks a bit odd considering the shape of the cutout in the bumper. As soon as you look beneath the surface you realise it's just a shiney bit of trim shoved on as an after-thought and you could probably find something similar attached to a saxo in macdonalds carpark on a saturday night!!

As snoopie has shown a proper oval pipe fits perfectly and looks like it should have been there in the first place.

Sound

I'd like it to sound a little louder. A nice burble on tickover (lovely ) and some audio enhancement when you're giving it some is never a bad thing.

Performance

The major reason for fitting the thing in the first place!!! As with any performance mod, won't turn the thing into a rocket ship but couple with some other choice mods that work together and you end up with some tidy gains.

So, like i said before, i just need to find the money now........

the turbo to spool quicker but this potentially leads to an 'overboost' situation. The engine management hits the 'trip switch' and puts you into safe/limp home mode!

Is there anyway to avoid this situation?

Is there anyway to avoid this situation?

Either; to remap the ECH beyond the normal parameters that are changed on a performance upgrade BUT remember that the whole reason that the ECU trips and goes safe/limp is self preservation

or; be careful and circumspect with the use of your right foot i.e. don't going trying a 10 mile V-max run on the Autobahn; but then what is the point of not being able to use your car to the max? Rather like having a custom remap that takes the power/torque beyond the capabilities of the OE clutch and then not fitting an upgraded clutch.