best get mine quickly then so they cant change the price halfway through the year

Greenlight wont insure Fabia vRS already due to the crash rate.

So perhaps this highlights to those who have the need to change a set of tyres every few months that maybe its not you specifically who is having the accidents but there are plenty who are not as unlucky as you.

There are only 12,000 vRS's in the UK (to the nearest 1,000) accidents like this are just going to force you youngsters out of it & forget about remapping they may at your suggestion.

To be honest I think you'd have to be driving like a proper **** to go through tyres that fast unless your alignment is out or you do track days.

6 months/ 10k in and my Avons on the front still have plenty of meat on them and they were on the car when I bought it. To break traction is harder than I first imagined unless you dump the clutch at junctions and simply welly it, which is pointless.

The insurers should ask you how long your tyres last and based upon the answer decide whether to insure you or not.

The insurers should ask you how long your tyres last and based upon the answer decide whether to insure you or not.

Shiftys ****ed

Infact so's Jon in his old man merc

If I ever see a vRS with one of those metal spoiler on from Halfords I will, no questions asked, punch the owner sqaurely in the mouth.

... and please video it!

... and please video it!

And put it on youtube.

To be honest I think you'd have to be driving like a proper **** to go through tyres that fast unless your alignment is out or you do track days.

6 months/ 10k in and my Avons on the front still have plenty of meat on them and they were on the car when I bought it. To break traction is harder than I first imagined unless you dump the clutch at junctions and simply welly it, which is pointless.

The insurers should ask you how long your tyres last and based upon the answer decide whether to insure you or not.

This is exactly the point I was making in the Tyres thread where I said it must either be your tracking that is out or your driving like an idiot - this person (who has a dog aviator) simply retorted with lots of abuse ...

He really didnt like the suggestion I made about going to talk to a mechanic and ask if using up a set of tyres in a few months (with normal annual milage) is normal and safe driving on the pulic highway.

He then just posted picks of male chickens to every post I made - speaks volumes...

Pathetic. Thing is, wheelspinning is not progress....it's just wheelspinning. You tend to either just sit there, or if it's mid bend, oversteer like hell into the nearest tree. In a drag race it ends up with you losing so it's not even a good thing if racing.

That's the sort of stuff reserved for 1.0 Pug 106's in McDonalds car park on a Friday night.

The vRS is not powerful enough to light up the tyres if you prod the throttle....nowhere near. You need a Supra TT for that or similar. To provoke traction loss in the vRS requires an insane lack of throttle and clutch control and is done deliberately in 99% of situations that don't involve ice, snow or a deluge of water.

Under hard cornering you should be simply feathering the outside edge and this would be clear from looking at the tread. Besides, cornering like this in the vRS is also not advisable as it doesn't take to it that well. To get the best out of the vRS in the bends requires the slow in, fast out approach otherwise understeer kicks in and you're back to the point above of just doing it for the sake of it, not to make the best progress.

There's driving quickly to get from point A to B as fast as possible, and there's driving like a ****. Two completely different things.

My concern about the Max Power review is that it will attract the latter of the 2.

Insurance premiums will be affected as a result as more and more 18 year old numpties bend them and ch4v them up with stupid hideous cosmetic 'mods' that the companies will start to provide when they realise there is a demand for such a thing. Sigh.

I dont think it is going to be a real problem. We are not going to see an influx of boy racers and ch.avs driving round in Fabias ! I am the member of a local cruise in Northampton, not because i am a boyracer but because i like to occasionally chat to people like myself who like cars, i have quite a few friends with Jap cars etc and i am interested what they have done to get their big BHP. Yes you get all your Novas and everything, but every time i take my vRS down all the Skoda jokes come out and all the boyracers take the pi*s all nite long! (not knowing if i bothered to drive fast i would rip them to peices) :P

Cant see a review in a latter section of Maxipants Power even being noticed, let alone attracting loads of boyracers to purchase a Fabia, anyway they will see the word diesal and wont even read it! Surely a short write up in Max Power is not going to affect insurance prices.

Bout tyres, you'll find that people who have nice cars have nice tyres and so wont wheelspin, I would never do that to my Proxes the old corsas etc that you see lighting up the tyres are usually running budgets! so let em, their tyres, it dont bother me. In fact always makes my day when you see the old Bill have pulled em up further down the road ...

... in their Skoda Octy vRS

He then just posted picks of male chickens to every post I made - speaks volumes...

A lot of people do this to your posts.

Your right, it does speak volumes.

Pathetic. Thing is, wheelspinning is not progress....it's just wheelspinning. You tend to either just sit there, or if it's mid bend, oversteer like hell into the nearest tree. In a drag race it ends up with you losing so it's not even a good thing if racing.

That's the sort of stuff reserved for 1.0 Pug 106's in McDonalds car park on a Friday night.

The vRS is not powerful enough to light up the tyres if you prod the throttle....nowhere near. You need a Supra TT for that or similar. To provoke traction loss in the vRS requires an insane lack of throttle and clutch control and is done deliberately in 99% of situations that don't involve ice, snow or a deluge of water.

Under hard cornering you should be simply feathering the outside edge and this would be clear from looking at the tread. Besides, cornering like this in the vRS is also not advisable as it doesn't take to it that well. To get the best out of the vRS in the bends requires the slow in, fast out approach otherwise understeer kicks in and you're back to the point above of just doing it for the sake of it, not to make the best progress.

There's driving quickly to get from point A to B as fast as possible, and there's driving like a ****. Two completely different things.

My concern about the Max Power review is that it will attract the latter of the 2.

Insurance premiums will be affected as a result as more and more 18 year old numpties bend them and ch4v them up with stupid hideous cosmetic 'mods' that the companies will start to provide when they realise there is a demand for such a thing. Sigh.

The other thing is the driver would have deliberatly turned off the traction control otherwise with it on you'd never lose traction.

So why would anyone turn off traction control - on the public highways?

You buy a car like the Fabia vRS for the good ish performance & its economy, and that includes not weazring your tyres out in a few months.

In the GT TDI 115 I think only once in 60k did the traction control light come up on the dash - it was a quick get away on a fast round a bout totally off camber. I drive fast however I have zero points (and never have had any) tyres always seem to last well over 40k, brakes well the ones on the Gt TDI115 didnt need changing with 60k on them.

I very much like the smooth progress - and given road conditions allow it at a good pace.

ESP - Ive read threads where people are complaining that it cuts in too early... when "attaching a round a bout" and general corners. Well really if your tackling a round a bout and the ESP kicks in your clearly going way too fast - imagine if a cyclist just pulled out you'd never stop if driving like that.

Dislike traction control, dislike ESP, never needed it in the Ferrari or 2 tvrs or the ZT 260 or the E30.

Funny fact though I never ran over any cyclists...

ESP Traction control and ABS and the like are there to compensate for lack of talent. Anyone who drives and has to rely on them is clearly going way to fast and should consider some extra driver training.

As for tyre wear there are so many factors. I just got 20k out of the driven wheels of a 250hp 400lb ft 1.8 ton car..... yet in the past i have got 6k out of a 270hp 270lb ft 1.1 ton car..... the real difference.. one is motorway based... the other b road based.. same driver, same style, same speed - virtually same tyre size even.

Dislike traction control, dislike ESP, never needed it in the Ferrari or 2 tvrs or the ZT 260 or the E30.

Funny fact though I never ran over any cyclists...

ESP Traction control and ABS and the like are there to compensate for lack of talent. Anyone who drives and has to rely on them is clearly going way to fast and should consider some extra driver training.

As for tyre wear there are so many factors. I just got 20k out of the driven wheels of a 250hp 400lb ft 1.8 ton car..... yet in the past i have got 6k out of a 270hp 270lb ft 1.1 ton car..... the real difference.. one is motorway based... the other b road based.. same driver, same style, same speed - virtually same tyre size even.

Yes but this particular driver achieved this in 2 months.... with a car whose power output was 130bhp.

So unless this chap drove 750 miles per week all at that pace his wear would have to be even worse than yours.

As Ive said I highly suspect its the tracking thats way out - he will not say which it is for some reason.

If your going to be driving for 4 hours your not going to be 100% by the end of it so after youve had the fun why not turn on the traction control or ESP & actually if as you say you never use it did you buy those vehicles with it as an optional extra (if so why did you waste you

The traction control in the VRS is pants, even with ESP. It only comes into it's own in snow, ice and other such situations. Thats all it's supposed to do is cut the fuel until the wheels stop spinning. It will not stop you lighting up the tyres going off from the lights because it takes a few seconds for it to sort itself out. It's not a sophisticated system, just functional in the right instance.

I get between 17 and 22k out of tyres and I drive like a ****. Only getting under 10k out of a set of tyres must be either down to having a crap set of tyres, alignment issues, poor road condtions or a lack of talent. All four could conspire and probably do.

If your going to be driving for 4 hours your not going to be 100% by the end of it so after youve had the fun why not turn on the traction control or ESP & actually if as you say you never use it did you buy those vehicles with it as an optional extra (if so why did you waste you

The traction control in the VRS is pants, even with ESP. It only comes into it's own in snow, ice and other such situations. Thats all it's supposed to do is cut the fuel until the wheels stop spinning. It will not stop you lighting up the tyres going off from the lights because it takes a few seconds for it to sort itself out. It's not a sophisticated system, just functional in the right instance.

I get between 17 and 22k out of tyres and I drive like a ****. Only getting under 10k out of a set of tyres must be either down to having a crap set of tyres, alignment issues, poor road condtions or a lack of talent. All four could conspire and probably do.

Ok 17-20k is still a fair milage (Id want more but if you are driving it hard then fair enough).

But unless it is alignment issues (maybe he has an old accident damage car whose geometry is out?) & super soft tyres (the cheaper tyres the harder they are and tend to last even longer... in my experiance) and he has a driving job then this super high milage & super high wear are suspicious.

Maybe he doesnt check the tyres are inflated to the correct levels - maybe he drives around with the car really over laiden & as fast as it will go.

Maybe he ties a tow rope to the back of his car and another and they drive off in opposite directions to see who's best....lol

never have and never will pay extra for ESP / TCS.

none of the above had ESP, the ZT had TCS but it was disabled. A competant driver should have no need for TCS in a car with an LSD.

Your right about many forum drivers. Perhaps not everyone is as lucky in real life to have been taught by Class 1 Advanced Police Drivers, Works BMW touring car drivers and so on.

I have LSD on my Fiat coupe and in my 4 years of ownership I have lost traction once and that was in 3rd gear at 30mph hitting standing water.

Ive no idea if I am or am not a good driver - but I have no points I have not caused any accident when I travel with others and they are driving I notice & state errors especially dangerous ones, I dont recall a horn sounded at me in a long time.

On 3 different occasions with totally different groups of people I have set the fastest lap times in outdoor karting and Im a Flanker so much heavier than the ave joe.

I have LSD on my Fiat coupe and in my 4 years of ownership I have lost traction once and that was in 3rd gear at 30mph hitting standing water.

Ive no idea if I am or am not a good driver - but I have no points I have not caused any accident when I travel with others and they are driving I notice & state errors especially dangerous ones, I dont recall a horn sounded at me in a long time.

On 3 different occasions with totally different groups of people I have set the fastest lap times in outdoor karting and Im a Flanker so much heavier than the ave joe.

then you will agree that ESP and TCS are/were invented to compensate for clumsy driving / and a cheaper alternative to LSD / quality suspension.

then you will agree that ESP and TCS are/were invented to compensate for clumsy driving / and a cheaper alternative to LSD / quality suspension.

The thing is though only cars with over xbhp really need LSD - I mean what the point of a LSD on a car which will just chirp quickly the tyres?

I know the old Fiat Coupe 16V Turbo 200bhp you could drop the clutch in 1st light them up change to 2nd and 3rd - in many lesser powered cars thats just not possible.

ESP - Ive never driven a car with it but have seen demonstrations and am really impressed. I know for Sure Tiff Nideel wouldnt try his hardest to control a car without ESP as its a display of his car handling talents - which are regarded highly (dont think anyone has been able to get a car more sideways than himn in the bi annual Autocar sideways challenge with other racing & stunt drivers).

70mph in the wet then suddenly there is an accident in front of you/luggage falling out of a car sharp swerve left then right then left - without ESP he did a 540 degree spin with ESP he was in full control.

Penny Mallory last night showed off this feature in the dry on a tight course of cones and the time she achieved was quicker & much more in control with the ESP.

then you will agree that ESP and TCS are/were invented to compensate for clumsy driving / and a cheaper alternative to LSD / quality suspension.

I can't completely agree with that.

ESP has saved my a55 in adverse weather conditions where no amount of talent, skill or spidersense could have changed the outcome. Nothing to do with clumsy driving or being out driving when you know you shouldn't, it was simply the circumstances I found myself in and the ESP prevented me from going in to the central res or worse.

It's gets turned off for trackdays of course

70mph in the wet then suddenly there is an accident in front of you/luggage falling out of a car sharp swerve left then right then left - without ESP he did a 540 degree spin with ESP he was in full control.

Penny Mallory last night showed off this feature in the dry on a tight course of cones and the time she achieved was quicker & much more in control with the ESP.

or it could be argues that the real cause was driving to close...

ESP has saved my a55 in adverse weather conditions where no amount of talent, skill or spidersense could have changed the outcome. Nothing to do with clumsy driving or being out driving when you know you shouldn't, it was simply the circumstances I found myself in and the ESP prevented me from going in to the central res or worse.

or were you just going too fast for the conditions....

The same debate could be put for abs - yes a skilled driver who is 100% focused could pull the car to a stop quicker than ABS but in the real world when you have the radio on/others in the car/distractions and your not prepared then the abs will be able to stop you quicker.

I'd never want anyone to have a car without ABS - TVR really shot themselves in the a55 with that + airbags...

ESP has saved my a55 in adverse weather conditions where no amount of talent, skill or spidersense could have changed the outcome. Nothing to do with clumsy driving or being out driving when you know you shouldn't, it was simply the circumstances I found myself in and the ESP prevented me from going in to the central res or worse.

Surley what ever happened you shouldnt have got into it in the first place :P

Paul how long did these tyres last

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/media/vid3.wmv

Paul how long did these tyres last

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/media/vid3.wmv

about 2k but most of that was spend going not very far.....