which will be quicker in "real world" terms i.e. a race from 30-80?

which will be quicker in "real world" terms i.e. a race from 30-80?

vrs will be quicker in that situation.

but from a standing start it would lose am I right?

It should be pretty close in a drag race.

The Puma is a very good handling car though (if the suspension isn't shagged) so if we are talking about an enthusiastic drive along an interesting road then the Ford would possibly have the edge

Ok cheers. Don't brand me as a **** or boyracer for this. Its just I have a mate who bums his Puma to death every time we talk about cars and I'm hoping a vRS Skoda will shut him up or at least quieten him.

i hammered a 1.7 puma on the motorway yesterday. from 60-ahhh speeds just kept going away from him. when i got bored i slowed and the look on his face said it all as he passed said it all lol

Well a standard Puma does 0-60 in 8.6 seconds (or it did when new) which seems to be about the same as a Fabia VRS.

It would be very evenly matched in a straight sprint unless the Furby was remapped in which case it should easily leave a standard Puma behind. Either way it should show in that the Puma isn't the greatest car that will leave all others for dead.

I've only driven a Puma once but it did handle very well and it really was a very nice car to chuck round the bends. If you were chasing each other round a country road I'd expect the Ford to be better through the corners with the Skoda pulling back on the straights. You'd probably have more fun in the Ford.

Of course even the newest ones are five years old now , and the suspension won't be as good as it once was and the engine may be down on power. That could make a difference

i hammered a 1.7 puma on the motorway yesterday. from 60-ahhh speeds just kept going away from him. when i got bored i slowed and the look on his face said it all as he passed said it all lol

How do you know it was a 1.7?

There was no external badging to tell you if it was a 1.4 , 1.6 or 1.7

It is a 1999 model.

1.7 is a good engine apparently. Roots in speedboats I'm led to believe. I'm going to say it would be a tie between a standard vRS and a standard puma 1.7 to 60mph. 30 to 80 would depend on what gear. I would think it would be fairly even if the vRS started in 3rd, and the puma in 2nd. The puma would get away a bit quicker having more revs, and the vRS would need to build some boost but would catch up in the 60+ area.

Now, what about a civic type R from 30 to ??? up a 1 in 8 gradient. Not that I'd know after tonight.

Yeah the 1.7 is a very good engine from what I've been told... unlike that poor rusting-coolant leaking-head gasket blowing excuse of an engine in the Zetec S.

Yeah the 1.7 is a very good engine from what I've been told... unlike that poor rusting-coolant leaking-head gasket blowing excuse of an engine in the Zetec S.

Wasn't the 1.7 made by yamaha or kawasaki or someone like that?

I believe the 1.7 unit does have some ties with Yamaha, as does the 1.6 motor in the original Focus.

Steve

1.7 Is a gutless engine. Even when put into the lighter Fiesta MK5, Which carries the same chassis as the Puma. First gear is very good and nippy in the Puma, but after that, the vRS will walk off. The Puma will do 100 in 30 seconds. The Fabia will do it in, 23-24 seconds. So there a big difference in the mid-range.

If he show's you a few corners, you might aswell accept what he's saying. They are fantastic handlers, especially the later, Ford Racing Puma.

My '04 PD100 used to easily pull away from a Puma from about 75mph and had about 10mph higher top speed. vRS - no contest.

Had a go against a '99 Puma (non racing) up a slip road on a hot day. Needless to say I won but not by much. As the speeds increased though the gap got wider.

To 60, there wasn't much in it but above that....the vRS just kept on going.

The crazy cow behind the wheel was insistant on trying to get past me to cut me up though on the N/S lane even though it ends half way up.

I also car share with a lad with a 1.7 Puma. It's 'ok'. The engine's not bad really. Fairly gutsy I suppose up to cruising speeds but poor after that and very noisy for what it's doing. Handling wise, hmmm......it does seem a bit more confident round the bends but I've looked at his speedo when going round certain bends and he does the same speeds I do in the vRS on the same bends with similar effects. Just feels like you're going quicker in his car. Probably cos you're closer to the ground.....or your heads close to the roof. Bloody cramped those things.

The rear suspension clunks all the time even though Ford say there's nothing wrong with it, the parcel shelf rattles, the dash feels cheap, the seats aren't supportive and they rust.

Typical Ford Fiesta really, just in coupe form.

I'd agree with most things said above really. SWMBO's got a W Reg 1.7 Puma and while it is quick my remapped Fabia is slightly faster in a straight line. - more noticable at higher speeds.

The Puma is fantastic in the corners though so if you're going to test the cars, pick a long straight track:D

I really like the 1.7 as well, it's feels surprisingly torquey low down, but loves to be thrashed (don't tell SWMBO)

The Puma does handle slightly better, but with all of these silly comparisons it's down to the driver.

A better driver in a poor car will invariably be faster than a poor driver in a better car, moreso if he knows the road well.

The Puma get's its edge from weighing less than a tin can. The 1.7 VVT engine is not a bad little thing and makes the light Puma a warm-ish hatch that is fairly fun round the twisties. It's not designed for m'way use though or to go flat out. The gearing isn't right and it gets quite coarse at speed.

Cheers lads

At least you won't look queer driving a vrs.

^^^ Well his previous car was a Megane Coupe 1.6 so I think he might be closet bummer haha

Yamaha did have a hand in the 1.7 Puma engine , they done the cylinder heads (I believe they are ceramic) Apparently Ford built the block in Europe , then shipped the engines to Japan for yamaha to install the heads (and maybe the ancillaries) then they were shipped back to be installed in the cars. This is what I read in a road test of the Puma when it was a brand new car.

PS the 1.7 was an Evo mag 5 star car , one of the few such cars to be 'affordable' when new.

slightly off topic but my mate at work has a wide arch ford ka with the 1700 16v out of the puma shoehorned in. Its currently not running as of yet but should be serious fun once done.

Hes running 4 busa throttle bodies and quite a wild cam

Should approximately see him .. around .. 150 brake I presume. Ka's are good fun to drive also.