At the end of the day, if we didn't make a jump into the deep end when buying our Skodas (cos that's how most 'normal' people perceive it) we would have bought something else. It's an economical & quick runabout that gets the job done. These threads about beating a CTR etc are pretty funny TBH. Dream on, it's just a small Skoda after all.

summary of the thread so far.

The fabia vrs is a cracking litttle car

Its ecnomical, and practical, has five doors and runs on heavy oil.

Its realatively cheap to insure, I think i can stick my neck out and say that nothing in insurance 9 will beat it:P, ie in a straight line around corners what ever. If you can think of a car that can please do mention it

People like to create their own stuff and put their own mark on things, i think of it as art. Having built and modded many cars in my time i can say that a large sense of achievement can be gained from doing such to your car.

I admire luke and others on here that have put large amounts money into their fabias, turbos arnt cheap! And would love my little furb with 247bhp and stupid tourque.

Many of these cars are wild and seriously fun to drive but like with anything there will always be someone who can go faster

At the end of the day our cars are our hobbys, much like welsheys and others hobby is to come on car forums and wind people up.

sorry for the long post, it is 2 49am after all. :P

I think i can stick my neck out and say that nothing in insurance 9 will beat it:P,

mk2 2.0 petrol focus or the 2.0 diesel variant.

suzuki ignis sport.

suzuki swift sport.

new mini 1.6.

all quicker on paper and insurance group 9

Not sure what the relevance of the statement any other group 9 or less that can beat it? Surely it should be the lowest quote?

Mine is group 20 and IIRC a Suburu Impreza is 18 however the impreza would cost me

Its realatively cheap to insure, I think i can stick my neck out and say that nothing in insurance 9 will beat it:P, ie in a straight line around corners what ever. If you can think of a car that can please do mention it

Fiat Grande Punto? Gp 6, 130bhp TDI and handles like a sporty car should and it's cheaper to buy too

Chris

The speed at which you replyed probably means you didn't really read the post properly and perhaps if you did you might see things a little differently.

no I read it fine.

Fiat Grande Punto? Gp 6, 130bhp TDI and handles like a sporty car should and it's cheaper to buy too

Chris

The Fiat doesn't come with 5 doors, though, which for me was a big must. That in the end was the decider between the Furby and the Ibiza FR for me. The FR was a bit more, but in a lower insurance group so would probably have cost the same to run. But because it didn't come with 5 doors (at the time), it was never in the frame. Nor any of the other manufacturers' offerings. The whole "Practical AND Exciting" thing may explain why you can now get a 5 door Ibiza FR diesel...

At the end of the day, if we didn't make a jump into the deep end when buying our Skodas (cos that's how most 'normal' people perceive it) we would have bought something else. It's an economical & quick runabout that gets the job done. These threads about beating a CTR etc are pretty funny TBH. Dream on, it's just a small Skoda after all.

Fabia would need a diet and/or some extensive and expensive suspension mods to corner and handle closer to something like a CTR. Suspension's time consuming. It takes a lot of R&D to make the best kit work right. If you deem right to be go-kart like handling on-track. Then try to factor in some comfort and safety on the road with low NVH.

If I had to guess at improving the Fabia's handling I'd start with wider track or wheels with less offset on the front. The best spring/damper combination that you can get plus uprated wishbone bushes. Then try to recover the roll centre height (if it's even possible without modding the hubs). Whilst all that is done, add in a front adjustable ARB from Whiteline. Then spend 2 hours at a time setting it up and evaluating the suspension settings and changes.

J.

The Fiat doesn't come with 5 doors, though, which for me was a big must. That in the end was the decider between the Furby and the Ibiza FR for me. The FR was a bit more, but in a lower insurance group so would probably have cost the same to run. But because it didn't come with 5 doors (at the time), it was never in the frame. Nor any of the other manufacturers' offerings. The whole "Practical AND Exciting" thing may explain why you can now get a 5 door Ibiza FR diesel...

so buy the eleganza with same engine (albeit in 10hp less tune) in 5 dr form with more spec.....

Noone has come back against my challenge its irrelevant what insurance groups a car is in (It in theory SHOULD be less but thats not what Ive experianced - and Ive highlighted the costs in my above post.

The Golf GT TDI 130 is in group 13

The Mondy 2.0 TDCI Zetec S 130bhp is in group 9

vRS Fabia 130 is in group 9

So given the fact the the Golf is in 4 ins groupes higher than the Fabia yet costs the same to insure then it is the case that either the Golf has had significantly fewer accidents or that the Fabia has had significantly higher accidents.

With the Mondy the lower ins group is purely down to the safety feature however its higher cost of part repair make it cost the same as the Group 13 Golf GT TDI.

Note all were put in at exactly the same 2nd hand purchase price - as in reality all can be bought for the same money.

So given the fact the the Golf is in 4 ins groupes higher than the Fabia yet costs the same to insure then it is the case that either the Golf has had significantly fewer accidents or that the Fabia has had significantly higher accidents.

With the Mondy the lower ins group is purely down to the safety feature however its higher cost of part repair make it cost the same as the Group 13 Golf GT TDI.

Where do you get these reasons from? The reasons (in my eyes) that the Golf is a higher insurance group is because a) there's more of them around, they're more desirable (and nickable) and c) they cost more to repair. The Mondeo doesn't have ESP or traction control (thank god ), unlike the other two so could be deemed "less safe"?

Chris

Where do you get these reasons from? The reasons (in my eyes) that the Golf is a higher insurance group is because a) there's more of them around, they're more desirable (and nickable) and c) they cost more to repair. The Mondeo doesn't have ESP or traction control (thank god ), unlike the other two so could be deemed "less safe"?

Chris

The insurance group is set when the car is produced and it never changes - however the risk factor of each car & model do change.

Insurance group is set based upon safety & anti theft features.

The premium is based upon the risk factor of each specific model i.e. a 1.4L Golf even though it is a Golf will not be effected by a high number of claims against the GTI model for instance, the cost of repair & all the personal risks & area risks.

So given the fact the the Golf is in 4 ins groupes higher than the Fabia yet costs the same to insure then it is the case that either the Golf has had significantly fewer accidents or that the Fabia has had significantly higher accidents.

It doesn't though, it costs more. I was looking at a MKIV Golf at the same time as the Fabia and it was about

It doesn't though, it costs more. I was looking at a MKIV Golf at the same time as the Fabia and it was about

The insurance system here in Ireland is weird. They tend to go for engine size rather than BHP. It would cost me the same to insure a SDI( 68bhp) Golf as a PD130 Golf.

I think it's very insurer dependant. This was with Direct Line for me who have been quite good for covering our area which is less than perfect for insuring cars.

The worst have been Norwhich Union....their quotes have been laughable.

The insurance system here in Ireland is weird. They tend to go for engine size rather than BHP. It would cost me the same to insure a SDI( 68bhp) Golf as a PD130 Golf.

I know in France it's purely BHP dependant. They actually ask what BHP your car puts out and base it on that. Then you'd go out and buy an American V8 that only puts out 230 horses but has huge torque and pay not too much money.

I know in France it's purely BHP dependant. They actually ask what BHP your car puts out and base it on that. Then you'd go out and buy an American V8 that only puts out 230 horses but has huge torque and pay not too much money.

Or go for some super-lightweight bike engined track car with a lowly 150-200bhp

Chris

That too! Good thinking.......Ariel atom? No no...I've got it.....

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I think it's very insurer dependant. This was with Direct Line for me who have been quite good for covering our area which is less than perfect for insuring cars.

The worst have been Norwhich Union....their quotes have been laughable.

So do I. Direct Line quoted me more for the Golf than the Fabia.

Deeming whatever car to be higher risk than the others though I'd say is insurer dependant when the groups remain the same.

We got a video of the whole time they were out on the track, and it was quite funny really!!!

And SURELY (!) you're gonna get that up on youtube pronto?!!!!!!!!

Pretty please!!!

And SURELY (!) you're gonna get that up on youtube pronto?!!!!!!!!

Pretty please!!!

Seconded. Though edited highlights would be good. Too much of filuming is standing around bl**dy freezing trying not to be bored, loud or in-shot when you're not supposed to be.

J.

mk2 2.0 petrol focus or the 2.0 diesel variant.

suzuki ignis sport.

suzuki swift sport.

new mini 1.6.

all quicker on paper and insurance group 9

Spoken like a true Octavia owner.

thanks

it was simnple though mate, you stuck your neck so i gave it a swift slap