so which party will actually bring the fuel tax down?

None of them will. They all want to price motorists off the road in the end

None of them.

People seem to forget that in general terms we are still not taxed as much as other countries and the money raised goes to pay for all number of things.

Also bear in mind the number of people that have quit smoking (and the loss of revenue there) plus the fact that our health service and social services are fully inclusive (maybe a bit too inclusive, but thats another martter) and even in Europe, their social systems are not as far reaching as ours. (hence the need for the E111 and health insurance when going to france, etc).

This all has to be paid for somehow, especially in a country 4 times smaller in size and france, but with a similar population, and the drain it causes.

If they took 2p of the tax on fuel, they would get it back another way, like through VAT or income tax.

Scandinavian countries have higher taxation than us , but then they have absolutely first class public services as a result.

Wish it were true.

And when the present government of tories and their likes here in Sweden have finished their term (god forbid their re-election in 2010) public services will definitely not be first class anymore.

Also, there are details we ought to borrow from the UK. Parts of the NHS for instance - I think that hospital care/treatment is slightly better in Sweden but access to GPs for less serious ailments is worse.

Swedish child-care facilities: better. Paid leave from work when a baby arrives: better. Pension system: better (has been, at least, but what do you know about the state of pension funds a couple of years from now?) And no fees in higher education. I gladly accept a few more p. on the petrol price if it means that I don't have to save to help the kids to a good education.

When it comes to household economy there are things other than petrol prices that are troublesome. If you travel 20,000 miles annually, each extra p. per litre will cost you less than £ 25 for the whole year. That's neither here nor there. Food prices or the price of heating (whether oil or electricity - not much gas heating here in Sweden) is quite another matter.

Hello all. Im sure you are well aware by now I work at a petrol station part time. This information is facts ok as I have seen the letter and spoken to my boss about it at the time.

The change in fuel is now due as the wonderful government it was stated that due to the war ect that government would pay a % towards the tax of the fuel. It was also stated in the small print that from the 1st October 2007 they wouldn't be paying it anymore.

This means that the garage buys in the fuel with the extra % added on so sells it with it on... To be 100% honest its not the garage thats making millions from this - our figures (That change during the week depending on ammount sold) that the garage gains 0.0000000142 on every litre sold.

TBH - A protest will do nothing apart from lose you more money in a days wages. If its cheap fuel you want either look for an alternative or go over seas...

I hope this helped clear up a few points with FACTS

Rob

Just to add something to the debate ....in 4, yes four years time the world will be using more fuel than it produces ........so how much will a litre cost then if indeed you can buy any :eek: ......I don'r know about other people but if it got expensive I would be trying to use less....a lot less

Just to add something to the debate ....in 4, yes four years time the world will be using more fuel than it produces ........so how much will a litre cost then if indeed you can buy any :eek: ......I don'r know about other people but if it got expensive I would be trying to use less....a lot less

If it's only 4 years away I'm surprised car makers aren't churning out viable alternatives to get into a pretty much captive market.......

Chris

If it's only 4 years away I'm surprised car makers aren't churning out viable alternatives to get into a pretty much captive market.......

Chris

I think they are relying on rape seed oil being used as fuel, but the figure of four years time is correct,,,,,,we wont be running out just using more than we can produce....so rationing could be used I suppose, already have a ration book for fuel and it's not a war time one either.....did anyone else have one in the 70s

Individual petrol stations don't make a huge profit - a couple of pence on a litre is about it - but the oil companies themselves make absolutely vast profits still.

Oh , and some of the local garages have put their diesel up 4 pence a litre by me

Oh , and here's my prediction for the next couple of years - £1.00 a litre is a very important psychological price point and there's been a fair amount of effort to keep fuel below this level , both by the oil companies and the government.

Once this has been passed and fuel is more than a quid everywhere (and not just at the very expensive ones on motorways) I think we'll see much more rapid increases in price.

Exactly the same thing happened with bread - for a very long time it stayed at under a quid a top quality loaf but once that was passed then in a relatively short space of time it was common to see prices of £1.10 , £1.20 and £1.30

Or they will just increase refinery capacity by building more of the things, which is exactly what they are doing. It isn't getting the oil out that is the issue it is refining it.

a difference of 2p is the same as filling up at the "wrong" garage in your area, compared to the cheapest place, or perhaps having to go to a more expensive motorwat fuel station because you forgot to use a cheaper place in town before you got on to the motorway.

2p a litre means less than an extra quid for filling up a Fabia's tank.

I wouldnt actually mind if the tax actually went back into roads and public transport!

Not an f'ing chance that will happen with ANY party leading rip-off UK.

an independent garage usually makes more money on a pack of chewing gum than it does on fuel. If the driver pays by card, what money is made on the fuel is eaten up on merchant bank charges.

Climate change is only another way to raise revenue, the green party think we should all walk, I wonder if they do the same? Thank Gordon Brown for all the tax increases, funny how he sings from a different hymn sheet when it comes to wage increases.

I say bring out the donkey jackets and barricades! Strike, strike, strike!

climate change tax is basically a newer version of window tax !!

Just back from France where I filled-up at the Supermarche with 98 RON for 1.28 Euros per litre (91p)

Nick,

4/10/07

Diesel on the German A/bahns was 1.12Eu per Litre :P

Just filled up at local Shell garage. 4 star still 90.9p per litre. Diesel 92.9p.

Don't all rush.

I would say do away with the smoking ban (I don't smoke btw) permit tobacco advertising again in sport and pull in the tax from that, whilst reducing fuel duty

On a serious note, they have made a fortune in revenue from tax on tobacco products and as that revenue stream reduces as people give up / can't / won't smoke, they have to recoup it from somewhere as public spending is only ever on the increase. The motorist is a soft target in all of this, as are people who enjoy the odd tipple every now and again.

Ultimately though, we have to pay tax or the country's infrastructure would disintigrate, so apart from avoiding wars over oil, and having 15 civil servants that do the same as 1 or 2 people in the private sector, were does the revenue come from?

I see a phenominal waste of public money when I am working as a contractor on government institutions. A couple of years ago I was working on a governement project in Belfast, The NI Govt subbed it to an approved IT Company in Scotland, who subbed it to one of their authorised partners in the wirral, who subbed it to an agency in hampshire, who subbed it to me. The bill for me being onsite was £1250 per day, I was pulling in a fifth of that for actually "doing" the job, the other people in the chain took big chunks.

I know the last paragraph was OT, but maybe if so much public money was not pee'd away, then taxation may not need to be so high

I know the last paragraph was OT, but maybe if so much public money was not pee'd away, then taxation may not need to be so high

Though it is keeping people in jobs...would you rather be paying them to sub contracts out to you or to sit watching Jeremy Kyle?

Rob.

Would using something like this be of use to anyone?

LINKY

I don't buy enough fuel personally to make it worthwhile for me, but if you paid off the debt each month, it could be better than a kick in the goolies.

Though it is keeping people in jobs...would you rather be paying them to sub contracts out to you or to sit watching Jeremy Kyle?

Rob.

I should have clarified ........ I (well my company) bid for the contract directly with a very competitive bid, but were turned down because of not being an "Authorised supplier". Then through the different agencies I ended up doing the job anyway so based on my original quote, they paid an extra £900 per day to get EXACTLY the same person doing the job, I was there for 6 months on and off so they paid around an extra £108,000 all in. Even on the interview they noted that I had tendered for the contract and that I was "the man for the job".

Jeremy kyle or not, wheres the sense in that? :confused:

got a reply back from Tescos, they just sent me a list of stations that sell 99 ron and that was it :( idiots.

got a reply back from Tescos, they just sent me a list of stations that sell 99 ron and that was it :( idiots.

Try this site -http://www.petrolprices.com/index.html

Free registration is needed, but I've found it reasonably accurate for prices. Shell apparently will keep their prices in line with any supermarket up to 2 miles away( or so the works blurb is from them to get us to use shell )-- might be worth checking out.

i already use that site VWD but whats it got to do with my reply back from tescos?

here is the latest reply

Thank you for your reply.

Please accept my apologies for the further upset caused.

The affected petrol stations are aware of these out of stock problems and are looking into the issue at the moment. Please let me reassure that any problems will be resolved as quickly as possible.

Thanks for taking the time to let us know about this.

So its still not solved, guess they are trying to keep it quiet before they get another pr disaster.