Its back to standard suspension and its staying. WIth the jabba anti roll bar i can corner at speed and control with the throttle how much i want the rear to step out. I dont think there is a need for lowering as i think over most roads the standard setup with RARB will be faster than a lowered one with RARB.

Ill demo on sunday, bring a change of trousers

Nice.

Change of undies will be fetched....

Ok, just been trying to figure out how the standard rear setup works. By the looks of pictures etc, the 2 rear trailing arms (with the springs in) are allowed to move up and down freely and are not attached to the big beam accross the middle. The RARB bolts onto the far end of the trailing arms and attaches to the big beam as you say, to stop it dragging on the floor and to allow it to apply torsion. This would explain why the standard rear end is so soggy as there's nothing connecting the 2 sides of the cars suspension together at the back to restrict roll, which is where the Jabba RARB comes in....

Am I right? :confused:

no , you are wrong , of course the rear trailing arms are fixed to the cross beam , the rear suspension works by allowing this beam to twist , by adding the Rear ARB , you are making the rear beam stiffer , therefore more resistance to roll , hence better turn in

no , you are wrong , of course the rear trailing arms are fixed to the cross beam , the rear suspension works by allowing this beam to twist , by adding the Rear ARB , you are making the rear beam stiffer , therefore more resistance to roll , hence better turn in

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who cares how it works,it just does,so buy one,or choke on my smoke:P

Ah, so why didn't anyone simply tell me that before.

So it's like torsion beam but the beam is really bendy......the RARB makes it stiffer. Interesting.

Hah, interesting.....read the disadvantages.....

Twist-beam rear suspension - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This would counteract the benefit of the rear one putting the car back into understeer city.

Maybe....

I don't know of anyone running an uprated front ARB. They're not too easy to change and the Eibach one is more expensive - about £250% of the cost of a standard VRS one.

IMO the greatest advantage of the rear ARB is that it settles the car's back end and stops it wandering and floating vaguely before finally giving you a heart attack.

However, a close 2nd has to be the improved traction out of corners. It keeps the body flatter and allows more torque through the front wheels, particularly, the inside one.

Fitting an uprated front ARB may improve traction further as the body is kept flatter and the front wheels are kept more vertical.

It's said that ARBs are used to "tune" suspension systems. Well, yes, they can be used for that. If you take a comfort oriented system though with excessive roll or lean, uprating both ARBs can be the way to keep some suspension compliance whilst improving body control and cornering feel.

J.

I'm new to the Fabia vRS and am due to pick mine up this sat. Is the general handling performance of this car pretty bad?

Although it can't be compared, I'm Just a little worried that its going to be somewhat of a come down from my civic type r!

Thanks

I'm new to the Fabia vRS and am due to pick mine up this sat. Is the general handling performance of this car pretty bad?

Although it can't be compared, I'm Just a little worried that its going to be somewhat of a come down from my civic type r!

Thanks

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I would have kept the Type-R! Unless you do some mega motorway munching.

I'm new to the Fabia vRS and am due to pick mine up this sat. Is the general handling performance of this car pretty bad?

Although it can't be compared, I'm Just a little worried that its going to be somewhat of a come down from my civic type r!

Thanks

Different animal completely.

The handling of a fabia vRS is a tad 'soggy' but a cautious approach to corners and a blat away, utilising the torque makes for a completely different driving experience to a ctr.

As has been said, a rear arb and lower/stiffer suspension makes a big difference, then better stoppers make late braking de rigeur, and a re-map and associated performance upgrades makes it a different car altogether.

I don't like civics myself, but they handle and perform better than your average fabia vRS, without the benefit of anonymity and better mpg.

Civics are a devastating track weapon and a totally different thing to the vRS.....chalk and cheese.

People who buy the vRS buy it for a reason, I did.

Decent mpg, enough pull to make spirited driving a bit of fun, 5 doors, enough kit and decent running costs.

If I was doing less mileage I'd be running a LCR instead.

I've owned the type r for 10 months now and I just cant bond with it.

The steering lacks feel, the handbrake strength is dire (a common problem) and the gearbox is fiddly at times. The speed factor is great but you have to hammer the hell out of it! Granted the results are awesome but stopping the bugger is an effort, braking force is not that effective (cross-drilled discs fitted btw)and really gearing down severely.

Once the warranty has expired on the fabia I shall be purchasing the ARB to make up for some loss of handling performance which I'm use to curently

If you get the suspension sorted (Full Eibachs and RARB), and fit some decent tyres (T1r's or F1's), and lighten the back end (Take the seats and spare out), the VRS becomes a totally different monster.

With a nice custom remap you get a really good track experiance out of it and I mean really good! You can get the car to drift on circuits like Coomb (Quarry is awesome) and you will really surprise a lot more "Purposeful" machinery.

It takes a bit of driving to get the best out of it (I mean you really have to know and feel the car, it's not easy to drive fast especially when you have a Seven up your ar5e) but when you get the hang of it, it's a really good drive on the track

It took him nearly a whole lap to catch me...

However, there are some little hatchbacks which will always be better on the track...

Nice!

From an outside in perspective, its nice to see the Skoda brand shocking and clearly out performing the competition!

Can't wait to be on board this sat!

all these ARB being sold for the back end of the fabia is quite worrying i think, not knocking them but they have a tendancy to fall over if going sideways and some of you are talking about how great it is getting the back end out lift off over steer. lift off oversteer is by far the most dangerous form of over steer as you have virtually no control of it, brake more and it gets worse. proper oversteer from rear drive is much easier to control as you are pushing the back end out rather than trying to hold it in.

It took him nearly a whole lap to catch me...

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Three Wheels Good effort.

I recon mine is going onto 3 wheels when cornering now, i am on standard suspension with a JABBA RARB.

bet you cant do that in the roomster!

This is why it's important to know the line and getting on the track helps you establish it.

The Fabia can bite if not treated with respect. I would say it was an accquired taste...

all these ARB being sold for the back end of the fabia is quite worrying i think, not knocking them but they have a tendancy to fall over if going sideways and some of you are talking about how great it is getting the back end out lift off over steer. lift off oversteer is by far the most dangerous form of over steer as you have virtually no control of it, brake more and it gets worse. proper oversteer from rear drive is much easier to control as you are pushing the back end out rather than trying to hold it in.

I agree that lift off over steer is very dangerous, but only if you dont expect it or dont know how to react to it. Ie panic braking would result in little furby taking a trip over a hedge and possibly into a tree.

The golf used to lift off very easy and was very twitchy and hard to control, hence why it is now bannana shaped The fabia on the other hand is different. I think its down to the torque of the engine, because mind lift off you can either drift (steer into the skid a little) or a little bit of trottle and your straight again. Quite easy once your used to it.

Disclaimer, please people dont go trying to drift on public roads, just because i said its fun. Yes it is fun but save it for the track Thanks

bet you cant do that in the roomster!

:rubchin: Challange?

The steering is better in the Roomy, and it's quite good for understeer too.

I have been wondering if the Octy Rarb fits it...

I would say it was an accquired taste...

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I agree that lift off over steer is very dangerous, but only if you dont expect it or dont know how to react to it. Ie panic braking would result in little furby taking a trip over a hedge and possibly into a tree.

The golf used to lift off very easy and was very twitchy and hard to control, hence why it is now bannana shaped The fabia on the other hand is different. I think its down to the torque of the engine, because mind lift off you can either drift (steer into the skid a little) or a little bit of trottle and your straight again. Quite easy once your used to it.

Completely agree

Disclaimer, please people dont go trying to drift on public roads, just because i said its fun. Yes it is fun but save it for the track Thanks

Thats goes double from me.

:rubchin: Challange?

The steering is better in the Roomy, and it's quite good for understeer too.

I have been wondering if the Octy Rarb fits it...

I would say the fabia should fit it?????

I think it takes its chassis from the fabia doesnt it? or is front fabia rear octy, i dunno. these cut and shuts

I would say the fabia should fit it?????

I think it takes its chassis from the fabia doesnt it? or is front fabia rear octy, i dunno. these cut and shuts

No, I tried a Jabba bar....

Octy rear end.

No, I tried a Jabba bar....

Octy rear end.

Maybe something from whiteline then? I think it would be in their interest to be able to list an already existing product again for the roomster.

Have you see the roomster on the KW website on V3 coilovers?, stunning!