Well, to try and get to the bottom of my old clutch, I have taken some pics of it. There's no distinct part numbers on anything, apart from what's pictured below. Any thoughts? As a guide though, I was told I would be sending off my oem clutch & DMF, and the DMF would be machined down, new clutch plate fitted, and the clutch sent back. What I seem to have is a SACHS dmf, a SACHS clutch plate, possibly with a new actual plate on it, and a SACHS housing.

:confused: I tell you what, the word SACHS was never mentioned ONCE when I was buying this clutch back in 2005 - which could purely be down to an ommission of detail, as I know the lady who sold it to me, and she is very very very nice.

Sorry for some fuzzy shots. Camera is not the best with the flash...

A SACHS typm240 housing....

A machined down housing too. Check out the machining marks.

A sachs logo on the clutch plate. Is that blob of black at the top a sign of melting due to clutch slip?

The mucky side of the DMF

And again this side was machined down but.....

A SACHS stamp on the DMF as well! :eek:

All I can say is that thank god you nicked my JBS clutch. lol...

Wasn't it supposed to be rated to 400lbsft or something? :thumbdwn:

Well that looks to me like an oem cover painted red and with some face machining, with an oem sach clutch thats has had some new clutch material rivited on and an oem DMF thats had some machining too. bit random TBH

Still, it's not like you paid over the odds for it. :P

I've got one like that.

Why not ask the original supplier.

Still, it's not like you paid over the odds for it. :P

Well, I paid exactly the same as I got a 560 lb/ft clutch and a lightened flywheel for.

For sale: VERY heavy paperweight.

For sale: VERY heavy paperweight.

I already got one mate Its currently been used to prop my bedroom door open

I already got one mate Its currently been used to prop my bedroom door open

Oh, mine is holding down the shed roof, it's that heavy.

Still all water under the bridge now.

Still all water under the bridge now.

That's why i can't be bothered to follow anything up with JBS to be honest. I spent £600 on a clutch which kind of dealt with 350ish lb/ft for about 18 to 20 months.... Plus some 2nd gear launches here and there, and about 50,000 miles.... Just want to know exactly what I had. At least with the new one I saw it get assembled and fitted to my car. I know exactly what I have.

At least with the new one I saw it get assembled and fitted to my car. I know exactly what I have.

My sentimants exactly.

I'm being a little stupid here, please can you elaborate on things - without libel-ing anyone.

You had the normal clutch,

Had it changed for something you didn't think was a SACHS clutch,

Whats the detail/problem with the sachs?

Now you open up the car 50k miles later and the clutch isn't what you thought?

damn clutch fairies

I'm being a little stupid here, please can you elaborate on things - without libel-ing anyone.

You had the normal clutch,

Had it changed for something you didn't think was a SACHS clutch,

Whats the detail/problem with the sachs?

Now you open up the car 50k miles later and the clutch isn't what you thought?

damn clutch fairies

You more or less summed it up. I paid £600 for a 400 lb/ft kevlar organic clutch, got something "red" which I got fitted to my engine & box during my pd130 conversion (so I never actually drove my car on a standard pd130 clutch - I got this one as a "bullet-proof" clutch to last me forever )

I made it slip quite bad so knew I had to change, and when I removed it it had SACHS stamped on every single component. I never knew I was fitting anything sachs to my car, but that's because I was never told.

The new one is NOT sachs - i know exactly what it is, and it is ace.

Just shows you cant take all the traders word as gospel on here

glad to here the new one is great,i just wish mine would hurry up and arrive.

So whats a SACHS good for? Is it not kevlar organic and good for 400lb? And how much would it cost?

So whats a SACHS good for? Is it not kevlar organic and good for 400lb? And how much would it cost?

I think Spaniel FR better answer that one as he works for them. The quirk here is that paddle clutch design with the 8 spokes is not SACHS, yet the thing they're riveted to is sachs, as is the DMF and the housing, both machined down (I knew about the machining)

d/d quotes

On the application list states 303 ft-lb for the organic sachs clutch, but this is actually good for upto 360 ft-lb. But we recomend this organic set up with the DMF for applications for up to 330-340 ft-lb.

personally to me that means its only good for 303 ft-lb

This isn't one of these reworked clutch assemblies that typically get sold as Techiclutch - the reason that I mentioned them is because they used this colour of red paint on their bespoke (reworked/reclaimed) parts. I just bumped into them by accident - the way you normally do while cruising through ebay! Personally I would not hold Sach to blame in any way for what some third party clutch person sells on, okay it looks like bits of these parts started life as genuine Sachs parts, but what happened to them after that?

Personally I would not hold Sach to blame in any way for what some third party clutch person sells on, okay it looks like bits of these parts started life as genuine Sachs parts, but what happened to them after that?

Ooooh, no no no. I'm in no way pointing any blame that way - or any way for that matter. I just want to know what I actually got back then.

So, what do people recommend to fit once my standard clutch goes (if it does!) to cope with a Jabbasport remap producing 300 + lb ft and possibly more in the future. I want reliability and quality fitting, and an all in one solution - eg. I turn up at their premises and they supply and fit...

Any help much appreciated!

Thanks,

Jon

If they took some material off the pressure plate, and off the friction side of the flywheel, they would have to increase the thickness of the friction plate presumably, to keep the pressure up. I wonder if this was done. Maybe the friction material is just not up to the job.

The machining is interesting. It's been done on a milling machine, by the looks of it, with the clutch housing on a mandrel being rotated under the cutter (or a machining centre following a circular path). I'm not sure how they would guarantee to get it flat this way, I would have expected it to be done on a lathe, although again it would need a mandrel. Because the pressure plate "floats" on the springs, it must be quite difficult to locate firmly during the machining. The presence of the three spaced out discoloured areas on the pressure plate suggest this may be the case. A flatness check might be in order.

There are what look like the beginnings of some wear marks from the rivets on the face of the flywheel, and some of the rivet heads look a little shiny on the pressure plate, so it looks as if it's worn out, but the picture of the pressure plate is a bit too fuzzy to make out. Jason, can you take another pic of the pressure plate tomorrow with better lighting? (you'll find if you can get some more light onto it even using the flash, it will help the digicam to focus, so you might be able to do it tonight). Is the friction material right down to the rivets?

Here's some more of the clutch plate itself, trying to use a desklamp to provide extra lighting - flash on/off.... It is not down to the rivets, but is not far off it to be honest - and the rivets are pretty loose in general, which cannot be good right?

That sucks Jason. At least it lasted 50k which ain't bad with the torque.

I think Spaniel FR better answer that one as he works for them. The quirk here is that paddle clutch design with the 8 spokes is not SACHS, yet the thing they're riveted to is sachs, as is the DMF and the housing, both machined down (I knew about the machining)

That clutch and flywheel look exactly the same as the one that came out of my car at the dealers for a recall replacement.

They were saches OEM items.

Only bit that looks different is the friction plate itself.

I think the persons in question might have possibly taken old clutches and `reconditioned` them with different plate.

I get the feeling if they do that they should be removing the saches logos, but as you said Jason, they never claimed it was so hey.

EDIT: I wonder if they just took the stock clutch, machined them back to clean it up and then bonded some new friction material to it. That looks terribly like a stock one.

wow! you really timed the clutch swap down to the last minute mate....