and to be really daft? sorry stevie.. what is lift off ove steers? i get confused with under over and stuff :orb_sick: im a idiot i know , sorry

When you take your foot off the accelerator the back end steps out.

As for the bars, mine is fine but like Steve says there is more room to flex with the poly bush set up on the Whiteline.

I dont have anything else to compare it so cant say but one thing is for sure any of them is better than none

Oh and if you dont see an Octaiva listed then just choose the MK4 golf but not 4motion

With the Eibach, order the mk4 golf one its the same, give them a call im sure they will confirm this

Phil

what is lift off ove steers?

When you take your foot off the accelerator the back end steps out.

And can frighten the living **** outta you and being in a front wheel drive is sometimes hard to control and predict..............................Just make sure you have a lot of road/track when you practice

yup, i had that when i had some ditch finders on the rear one morning on the way to work. My 6th sense caught it though which i was mightily surprised at

...I always understood the Whiteline bar to be a bit cheap and nasty, I will stand corrected I'm sure on that last comment, no offence intended though people:)

Definitely not the best finish long-term. But I'm very happy with the Whiteline, and the big bonus for me what that it was available locally. Postage on a metal bar for 12,000 miles is a bit steep!!

Oh and just to add. This bar has only been fitted in NZ where they don't salt the roads in winter!

i have emailed balancemototrsport to see if they can change my order to the eibach, i only ordered it last nite so fingers crossed they can sort it out. hopefully they can get me a eibach, if jabba can source them then surly they can lol ... i hope seeign they got my money:orb_rolli

The whiteline bar will (IMO) lose some of its rigidity through the poly bushes it has on the mountings, the ideal set up would be where it is bolted directly to the suspension arm like on the Eibach, that way you won’t get any flex anywhere.

I think people can get too carried away with all of this adjustment lark, once you are used to it-it is fine! Who is really going to pi$$ around altering their setting every couple of months or so?

Steve:)

Totally agree with Steve on this one, I have the Neuspeed 28mm adjustable rear ARB, and have never adjusted it, just left it on the middle setting and it totally transforms the handling of the car.

Also, I cannot see how the Whiteline arb works when it is held together with poly bushes and bolts to the rear shocks via a bit of square box section alloy that is not braced anywhere?

Eibach or Neuspeed, you wont go wrong with either of these, its your choice?

I use the Whiteline bar and am very happy with it. The adjuatability is great! I was able to get the setting that suited my driving style best. In the winter I run a softer setting in order not to get caught out on slippery roads

I had an Eibach bar on my previous MK4 Golf and had no end of problems with the straps that held the bar to the axle. The Whiteline fitting seems to last and seems to be very strong.......

Also, I cannot see how the Whiteline arb works when it is held together with poly bushes and bolts to the rear shocks via a bit of square box section alloy that is not braced anywhere?

Normally I would say the same, but having fitted a Whiteline bar to my Roomy which is the same bar I can say that it indeed works.

Hi guys just thought i'd comment on some of the feedback on Whiteline bar.

powdercoating has been improved so finish and longevity will be much better. The reason the bar uses links is of course to adjust. the links do of course reduce roll stiffness to a degree the box section doesn't.

In terms of adjustment there is a quite a range and it is useful and easy to adjust. most people don't mind playing with damper settings - it's not harder. Bigger is not always best - eg from 22mm to 28mm is around 160% more roll stiffness. Given that fitting the 22mm bar alone is a massive increase in roll stiffness personally i would say 28mm might be overkill. However like the mk4 platform if you lower the car much more than 20-30mm the front roll centre moves in such a way to cause more front weight transfer so a 28mm bar would counteract this. How many people have a 28mm bar on a car with say a 20mm drop? is it lively?

Ultimately I agree Eibach is a better finish (and Neuspeed) however the adjustment is a really useful feature for many. I mean what if you lend your car to a real novice and it's pouring with rain...

actually i've just noticed some pics of the autospeed one which is hollow - i wonder if the neuspeed one is? this of course is lighter but reduces roll stiffness which may explain the larger size

happy to help where i can but registered on a zillion forums - so if you ever need a quick answer please email direct

thanks

Hi guys just thought i'd comment on some of the feedback on Whiteline bar.

powdercoating has been improved so finish and longevity will be much better. The reason the bar uses links is of course to adjust. the links do of course reduce roll stiffness to a degree the box section doesn't.

In terms of adjustment there is a quite a range and it is useful and easy to adjust. most people don't mind playing with damper settings - it's not harder. Bigger is not always best - eg from 22mm to 28mm is around 160% more roll stiffness. Given that fitting the 22mm bar alone is a massive increase in roll stiffness personally i would say 28mm might be overkill. However like the mk4 platform if you lower the car much more than 20-30mm the front roll centre moves in such a way to cause more front weight transfer so a 28mm bar would counteract this. How many people have a 28mm bar on a car with say a 20mm drop? is it lively?

Ultimately I agree Eibach is a better finish (and Neuspeed) however the adjustment is a really useful feature for many. I mean what if you lend your car to a real novice and it's pouring with rain...

actually i've just noticed some pics of the autospeed one which is hollow - i wonder if the neuspeed one is? this of course is lighter but reduces roll stiffness which may explain the larger size

happy to help where i can but registered on a zillion forums - so if you ever need a quick answer please email direct

thanks

Quite a few of us that have the 28mm Neuspeed are also running coilover (KW3) so, yes the cars are lowered, and they are transformed with the alterations.

One question if I may about the adjustment being useful when giving the car to a novice in the pouring rain, do you or do they get under the car in the rain to adjust it before driving away....LOL????

If its adjusted correctly in the first place, then there is no need to adjust it.

Quite a few of us that have the 28mm Neuspeed are also running coilover (KW3) so, yes the cars are lowered, and they are transformed with the alterations.

One question if I may about the adjustment being useful when giving the car to a novice in the pouring rain, do you or do they get under the car in the rain to adjust it before driving away....LOL????

If its adjusted correctly in the first place, then there is no need to adjust it.

how much have you lowered it? what angle are the front wishbones at?

the bar adjusts itself - there is a phrase you repeat three times then it does it...it's in the instructions

Quite a few of us that have the 28mm Neuspeed are also running coilover (KW3) so, yes the cars are lowered, and they are transformed with the alterations.

One question if I may about the adjustment being useful when giving the car to a novice in the pouring rain, do you or do they get under the car in the rain to adjust it before driving away....LOL????

If its adjusted correctly in the first place, then there is no need to adjust it.

There is no absolute correct adjustment. It depends on driver's experience, driving style, and personal preference for handling balance.

The bar's thickness is not the only thing that dictates stiffness. Length of bar has a direct influence and the amount of lever action as well hence adjustment of a few centimetres makes a huge difference. Also, a hollow bar will need to quite a bit larger in diameter or a lot shorter than a solid bar to get the same rate. I thought the Neuspeed bar is hollow but I might be wrong. I have only owned Eibach, H&R and Whiteline bars. I prefer the no nonsense aproach of the Whiteline products that do exactly what is says on the tin at a decent price. I also use their front castor bushes that work very well.

Neuspeed do a solid 25mm and 28mm bar, their hollow bar is 32mm, but costs a good £75 more than the 28mm bar.

I have seen the whiteline bar for sale at £145-£150, that is not that much cheaper than the Eibach one......

It might be the cheapest, but not by much, so I struggle to see the appeal:confused:

I have seen the whiteline bar for sale at £145-£150, that is not that much cheaper than the Eibach one......

It might be the cheapest, but not by much, so I struggle to see the appeal:confused:

I paid £130 ish delivered from Balance for my Whiteline

Have a read of this....

http://briskoda.net/forums/roomster/whiteline-rear-arb-fitting-1-9-scout/96521/

There is no absolute correct adjustment. It depends on driver's experience, driving style, and personal preference for handling balance.

The bar's thickness is not the only thing that dictates stiffness. Length of bar has a direct influence and the amount of lever action as well hence adjustment of a few centimetres makes a huge difference. Also, a hollow bar will need to quite a bit larger in diameter or a lot shorter than a solid bar to get the same rate. I thought the Neuspeed bar is hollow but I might be wrong. I have only owned Eibach, H&R and Whiteline bars. I prefer the no nonsense aproach of the Whiteline products that do exactly what is says on the tin at a decent price. I also use their front castor bushes that work very well.

Obviously it is not adjusted correctly out of the box, and it is obvious to everyone that you have to set it up to your own driving style etc, and that is exactly what I said by the sentence "If its adjusted correctly in the first place, then there is no need to adjust it". Obviously meaning that once "YOU" have set it up.

This statement was in answer to Balancemotospo 's comment about having to adjust the bar before giving the car to a novice on a rainy day.

Also the Neuspeeed 28mm adjustable ARD is a solid bar and not hollow. If you look at a Neuspeed arb you will see that as well as the three holes for adjustment there are also additional means of adjustment at each end of the bar.

This subject is like all others where there will always be people with their own preferences and opinions, mine is based on nearly seven years of owning my Octy vRS.

Obviously it is not adjusted correctly out of the box, and it is obvious to everyone that you have to set it up to your own driving style etc, and that is exactly what I said by the sentence "If its adjusted correctly in the first place, then there is no need to adjust it". Obviously meaning that once "YOU" have set it up.

This statement was in answer to Balancemotospo 's comment about having to adjust the bar before giving the car to a novice on a rainy day.

Also the Neuspeeed 28mm adjustable ARD is a solid bar and not hollow. If you look at a Neuspeed arb you will see that as well as the three holes for adjustment there are also additional means of adjustment at each end of the bar.

This subject is like all others where there will always be people with their own preferences and opinions, mine is based on nearly seven years of owning my Octy vRS.

I stand corrected about the Neuspeed being hollow. Being a stingy old git, I decided against the Neuspeed because the price seemed a bit high compared to the Whiteline ARB. As they both are a bit of bent spring metal and do the same job, I didn't mind not having the slightly better appearance of the Neuspeed. The diference in price allowed me to get the Whiteline front castor bushes :-) to get a bit more front end grip.

I do adjust the ARB every now and again. I run 1 off full hard in the summer and 1 off full soft in the winter when the roads are a bit slippier. I do the odd track day with the car and for this I set the ARB to full hard. It does make quite a big difference in the balance of the car when adjusted, probably just like the Neuspeed.

Cheers

We sell shed loads of the Neuspeed bars

I must admit they are fantastic

Pricey , but as with most things these days everything is

I know alot of people say that the Neupseed one is the way to go for track days , but it is all down to how deep your pockets are

May be worth checking to see if anyone is selling on second hand too

Check out other forums too , as it fits more than just the Octavia

If I can help anyone , please feel free to give me a shout as we do Whiteline , Neuspped and Eibach

Sarah

Obviously it is not adjusted correctly out of the box, and it is obvious to everyone that you have to set it up to your own driving style etc, and that is exactly what I said by the sentence "If its adjusted correctly in the first place, then there is no need to adjust it". Obviously meaning that once "YOU" have set it up.

This statement was in answer to Balancemotospo 's comment about having to adjust the bar before giving the car to a novice on a rainy day.

An adjustable anti roll bar is probably the most useful chassis tuning aid there is. As the set up of the car changes many people will need to adjust roll stiffness eg changing to a different tyre, changing ride height. I did ask about lowering and wishbone angle - my point is that you will need to adjust roll bar stiffness depending on how much front end grip you generate. OK for road use most people will just stick on a coilover, lower 40-50mm and stick arb on full hard and I am not going to say that is wrong. However it's not optimal, as mentioned excessive (more than 20-30mm) lowering on this platform moves front roll centre and means massive rear roll stiffness is required to dial out understeer.

Do these cars feature stability control?

We sell shed loads of the Neuspeed bars

please feel free to give me a shout as we do Whiteline , Neuspped and Eibach

Sarah

I cant see Eibach or whiteline on your site :eek: Care to give us the links Sarah

Whiteline are not on there yet

The Eibach link is here Awesome - Eibach Suspension - Skoda

No info on there about the rear ARB only though

Sarah

Whiteline are not on there yet

The Eibach link is here Awesome - Eibach Suspension - Skoda

No info on there about the rear ARB only though

Sarah

how much does the neuspeed 25mm cost from you sarah? :orb_hypno

how much does the neuspeed 25mm cost from you sarah? :orb_hypno

£185 + VAT

I hope that helps?

Sarah

cheers sarah :orb_clap: