Diet COKE/PEPSI can KILL!

[KenONeill]

And her reply:-

"it is true that aspartame kills rats in doses similar to those that humans who insist on diet everything and artificial sweeteners take. And while its considered unethical to dose a human with a lot of a potential toxin to see if you can bump them off (yes, really it is) there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to support sweeteners containing aspartame having adverse effects on humans, producing headaches, muscle pain, tinnitus, dizziness - to name but a few. Hey I'm one of those humans, diet coke or indeed any other diet drink invariably gives me a headache/migraine, I can take 1 glass every once in a blue moon but no oftener."

[Lady Elanore]

This thread is quite fascinating. The naysayers poo pooing the OP and then others coming forward to say ‘hang on a mo!’. I am still sticking to my fizzy whisky and lard diet for now though, just to be safe.

[BJM]

What is really fascinating is how so many peeps will consume a product / products produced by chemical synthesis and sold on the back of massive advertising by an American corporation who's sole aim is to produce as much profit as possible for its fat cat directors and shareholders.

Why the h*ll are folks drinking diet drinks anyway? And Coke tastes like recycled horse **** anyway (Don't try it - take my word for it) It doesn't even have the advantage of containg any Cocaine since 1929)

Me, I'll stick to tea / coffee / alchohol.

They may not be perfect, but at least they've been around long enough to have some epidemialogical understanding of their side effects.

(Staggers off to open 2nd bottle of wine )

[KenONeill]

I drink Pepsi Max because, frankly, it's the best tasting cola on the market. It aside, I tend to stick to "full-fat" version of soft drinks though, for the same reason!

[Loz]

This whole thread f***ks me right off and for me says what is wrong with the internet. Basically, on no evidence, a few people are scaremongered into not eating aspartame.

EDIT: unnecessary aggro removed.

But the fact that so many people are willing to ignore the published evidence, in deference to anecdotes they've seen off the internet?

********.

It isn't just 'internet' information. I've seen a whole documentary on the stuff by men in white coats. I can't see how many man made chemicals can be good for you tbh so on that basis and on the basis that it tastes like sh!t and closes my throat up if I drink more than a couple of glasses of anything containint it I will steer clear thanks

And congrats to KenONeill who actually got some info from someone who knows what they are talking about!

[soviet]

What follows below is at the very least an eye opener. I do not know the source of this item nor can validate it’s authenticity, but ………….well see what you think. PC madness or a real danger to health?

A MUST READ!

In October of 2001, my sister started getting very sick. She had stomach spasms and she was having a hard time getting around.

Walking was a major chore. It took everything she had just to get out of bed; she was in so much pain

By March 2002, she had undergone several tissue and muscle biopsies and was on 24 various prescription medications. The doctors could not determine what was wrong with her.

She was in so much pain, and so sick she just knew she was dying.

She put her house, bank accounts, life insurance, etc., in her oldest daughter's name, and made sure that her younger children were to be taken care of.

She also wanted her last hooray, so she planned a trip to Florida (basically in a wheelchair) for March 22nd.

On March 19 I called her to ask how her most recent tests went, and she said they didn't find anything on the test, but they believe she had MS. I recalled an article a friend of mine e-mailed to me and I asked my sister if she drank diet soda?

She told me that she did. As a matter of fact, she was getting ready to crack one open that moment.

I told her not to open it, and to stop drinking the diet soda! I e-mailed her article my friend, a lawyer, had sent.

My sister called me within 32 hours after our phone conversation and told me she had stopped drinking the diet soda AND she could walk!

The muscle spasms went away. She said she didn't feel 100% but, she sure felt a lot better.

She told me she was going to her doctor with this article and would call me when she got home.

Well, she called me, and said her doctor was amazed! He is going to call all of his MS patients to find out if they consumed artificial sweeteners of any kind.

In a nutshell, she was being poisoned by the Aspartame in the diet soda...and literally dying a slow and miserable death.

When she got to Florida March 22, all she had to take was one pill, and that was a pill for the Aspartame poisoning! She is well on her way to a complete recovery. And she is walking!

No wheelchair! This article saved her life.

If it says 'SUGAR FREE' on the label; DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT! I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on 'ASPARTAME,' marketed as 'Nutra Sweet,'

'Equal,' and 'Spoonful.'

In the keynote address by the EPA, it was announced that in the United States in 2001 there is an epidemic of multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus. It was difficult to determine exactly what toxin was causing this to be rampant. I stood up and said that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject.

I will explain why Aspartame is so dangerous:

When the temperature of this sweetener exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME converts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants.

The methanol toxicity mimics, among other conditions, multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus.

Many people were being diagnosed in error.

Although multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, Methanol toxicity is!

Systemic lupus has become almost as rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially with Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers.

The victim usually does not know that the Aspartame is the culprit. He or she continues its use; irritating the lupus to such a degree that it may become a life-threatening condition.

We have seen patients with systemic lupus become asymptotic, once taken off diet sodas.

In cases of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, most of the symptoms disappear. We've seen many cases where vision loss returned and hearing loss improved markedly.

This also applies to cases of tinnitus and fibromyalgia.

During a lecture, I said, 'If you are using ASPARTAME (Nutra Sweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, shooting, pains, numbness in your legs,Cramps, Vertigo,

Dizziness, Headaches, Tinnitus, Joint pain,

Unexplainable depression, anxiety attacks, slurred speech, blurred vision, or memory loss you probably have ASPARTAME poisoning!'

People were jumping up during the lecture saying, 'I have some of these symptoms. Is it reversible?'

Yes!

Yes!

Yes!

STOP drinking diet sodas and be alert for Aspartame on food labels! Many products are fortified with it!

This is a serious problem.

Dr. Espart (one of my speakers) remarked that so many people seem to be symptomatic for MS and during his recent visit to a hospice; a nurse stated that six of her friends, who were heavyDiet Coke addicts, had all been diagnosed with MS. This is beyond coincidence!

Diet soda is NOT a diet product! It is a chemically altered, multiple SODIUM (salt) and ASPARTAME containing product that actually makes you crave carbohydrates. It is far more likely to make you GAIN weight!

These products also contain formaldehyde, which stores in the fat cells, particularly in the hips and thighs. Formaldehyde is an absolute toxin and is used primarily to preserve 'tissue specimens.'

Many products we use every day contain this chemical but we SHOULD NOT store it IN our body!

Dr. H. J. Roberts stated in his lectures that once free of the 'diet products' and with no significant increase in exercise; his patients lost an average of 19 pounds over a trial period.

Aspartame is especially dangerous for diabetics.

We found that some physicians, who believed that they had a patient with retinopathy, in fact, had symptoms caused by Aspartame.

The Aspartame drives the blood sugar out of control.

Thus diabetics may suffer acute memory loss due to the fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are NEUROTOXIC when taken without the other amino acids necessary for a good balance.

Treating diabetes is all about BALANCE.

Especially with diabetics, the Aspartame passes the blood/brain barrier and it then deteriorates the neurons of the brain; causing various levels of brain damage, Seizures,

Depression, Manic depression, Panic attacks,

Uncontrollable anger and rage.

Consumption of Aspartame causes these same symptoms in non-diabetics as well.

Documentation and observation also reveal that thousands of children diagnosed with ADD and ADHD have had complete turnarounds in their behavior when these chemicals have been removed from their diet.

So called 'behavior modification prescription drugs' (Ritalin and others) are no longer needed.. Truth be told, they were never NEEDED in the first place!

Most of these children were being 'poisoned' on a daily basis with the very foods that were 'better for them than sugar.'

It is also suspected that the Aspartame in thousands of pallets ofDiet Coke and Diet Pepsi consumed by men and women fighting in the Gulf War, may be partially to blame for the well-known Gulf War Syndrome.

Dr. Roberts warns that it can cause birth defects, i.e. mental retardation, if taken at the time of conception and during early pregnancy.

Children are especially at risk for neurological disorders and should NEVER be given artificial sweeteners.

There are many different case histories to relate of children suffering grand mal seizures and other neurological disturbances talking about a plague of neurological diseases directly caused by the use of this deadly poison.'

Herein lies the problem:

There were Congressional Hearings when Aspartame was included in 100 different products and strong objection was made concerning its use. Since this initial hearing, there have been two subsequent hearings, and still nothing has been done. The drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets.

Sadly, MONSANTO'S patent on Aspartame has EXPIRED! There are now over 5,000 products on the market that contain this deadly chemical and there will be thousands more introduced. Everybody wants a 'piece of the Aspartame pie.'

I assure you that MONSANTO, the creator of Aspartame, knows how deadly it is.

And isn't it ironic that MONSANTO funds, among others, the American Diabetes Association, the American Dietetic Association and the Conference of the American College of Physicians?

This has been recently exposed in the New York Times.

These [organizations] cannot criticize any additives or convey their link to MONSANTO because they take money from the food industry and are required to endorse their products.

Senator Howard Metzenbaum wrote and presented a bill that would require label warnings on products containing Aspartame, especially regarding pregnant women, children and infants.

The bill would also institute independent studies on the known dangers and the problems existing in the general population regarding seizures, changes in brain chemistry, neurological changes and behavioral symptoms.

The bill was killed.

It is known that the powerful drug and chemical lobbies are responsible for this, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting and uninformed public. Well, you're informed now!

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!

Hi Lady Elanore, your ladyship,

Too much of any of a thing for the body will be a poison, and this is including water also. I will not allow Soviet Junior to drink this American rubbish, as it is bad for him, and also it will damage the enamel of his young teeth here. Soviet junior now knows all of this.

Soviet:rolleyes:

[KenONeill]

It isn't just 'internet' information. I've seen a whole documentary on the stuff by men in white coats. I can't see how many man made chemicals can be good for you tbh so on that basis and on the basis that it tastes like sh!t and closes my throat up if I drink more than a couple of glasses of anything containint it I will steer clear thanks

And congrats to KenONeill who actually got some info from someone who knows what they are talking about!

Thank you bonny lass. Well, that proves it's far from "just you", and I'm sticking with the "drink the version that tastes good regardless" approach! Of course, in most cases the diet version either tastes $hit, or maybe tastes ok, but isn't as nice as the proper version.

[KenONeill]

Hi Lady Elanore, your ladyship,

Too much of any of a thing for the body will be a poison, and this is including water also. I will not allow Soviet Junior to drink this American rubbish, as it is bad for him, and also it will damage the enamel of his young teeth here. Soviet junior now knows all of this.

Soviet:rolleyes:

Hi mate. Even if you didn't read the entire thread, check my posts on P4 for the actual facts ref Aspartamine, obtained from someone who does know her stuff.

[JRHartley]

And congrats to KenONeill who actually got some info from someone who knows what they are talking about!

mmmm ? My 21 years as a chemist mustn't offer any validity to my own comments then? :(:(: :P [funnily enough thats what my boss usually tells me anyway:)]

Like I said earlier, Phenylalanine is the stuff to watch in diet/low fat/decaff foods and drinks and IMHO you'll only get health problems if you are sensitive to it. Bit like peanuts ,some people will have serious reaction to them if eg. they have an allergy, but the majority will be fine.

Its too easy to blame 'branded' products for peoples health problems and it never ceases to amaze me how people who practically overdose on synthetic chemical soups every day then have the gall to complain when they get sensitised to it and get health problems. [You are knowingly consuming something that was designed in a lab for goodness sake!!] Its like people calling for KP to stop selling peanuts because some people die from eating them. The product gets the blame and then there is a whole series of 'reports' carried out by both sides of the debate that only result in confusing the validity of any research into finding out any REAL dangers that these products may represent.

In respect to Aspartame ,undoubtedly there are a large number people who suffer a genuine reaction to phenylalanine ... Phenylketonuria being a proven medical condition. Unfortunatley you will some people are taking advantage of these peoples genuine illnesses and using it as amunition in the fight their own cause against big companies. People like those who prepare these scaremongering stories about how 'such and such' will cause your intestines to rot and fall out of your ar5e'

I really feel sorry for those people with a genuine health issue as they will never get the unbiased information they require.

Perhaps its time for the companies to follow the same codes of practice [eg. like peanut companies ]and then label up the warnings better to educate people about what they are exposing themselves to without implicating their product as being the worst thing since thalidomide.... however mud sticks and so they won't do this until they are forced to.do so.. here we have a Catch 22 because the only way this will happen is to throw enough mud for some to stick and get the company forced into warning people however, people don't like being told that what they like is bad for them so they will only take on board what they want to hear, basically ignoring the fact that what they are putting into their bodies will have an effect on it. [good or bad]the end result is that they end up preventing not only themselves but geuine 'sufferers' from being protected.

Anyway, i'm of the opinion like the old saying goes, 'Everything in moderation'

Edited 28 July, 2008 by JRHartley

[KenONeill]

Ok mate, I didn't actually read most of the thread. I read Lady E's opener, then just stuck in a place holder with my sis's quals, and and got her response.

[JRHartley]

Anyone got any ideas what 'surprises' Sunny-delight holds for the the future generation ?

Anyone know if this stuff glows in the dark?

[cheezemonkhai]

Anyone got any ideas what 'surprises' Sunny-delight holds for the the future generation ?

Anyone know if this stuff glows in the dark?

Well it's got a large amount of veg oil in it, so I'd say obesity.

[Lady Elanore]

Please tell me Twiglets are safe……………

[KenONeill]

Please tell me Twiglets are safe……………

They're entirely safe from me, foul Marmite flavoured things!

[JRHartley]

mmm Twiglets.....

[sinister sheep]

stuff the facts of what it does but if it does really kill then get me some and a funnel.... my brother is jut right for a test subject!

[KenONeill]

Your brother!? I can think of 2 someones who seem eminently suited to be test subjects. I know you know, and am sure SMS can guess, who they are!

[sinister sheep]

Your brother!? I can think of 2 someones who seem eminently suited to be test subjects. I know you know, and am sure SMS can guess, who they are!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: loving the train of thought there ken.... however, brother needs too be included in this too. just to make sure all types of low life scum gets it!!!!

[Captain Sisko]

I read someone turned orange after drinking loads of Sunny Delight

Back to fizzy/diet sodas I very rarely touch the stuff. Sticking to water, orange juice.

Or beer

[KenONeill]

I read someone turned orange after drinking loads of Sunny Delight

I think I heard something of the sort too.

[JRHartley]

I read someone turned orange after drinking loads of Sunny Delight

Just look what happened to Dale Winton and he was only stood next to the stuff..:eek:

[Shifty]

In reality - any substitute or non natural substance taken in to our bodies is not going to be particularly good for us. We were designed to eat raw meat and fresh fruit and veg, and drink naturally occuring water.

Thats just an observation by the way - I live on Marlboro's, coffee and junk food.

[Captain Sisko]

Here it is

[Lady Elanore]

Just look what happened to Dale Winton and he was only stood next to the stuff..:eek:

[Lady Elanore]

Here it is

Well it saves on sunbeds:thumbup:.