yeah, its not the same turbo i don't think but the same basic item made to fit.

Disagree. The bulbous lights and that funny folded over wing and small bonnet look wrong to me on the MK2. The flared out rear on the estate, don't really see what that does. Just looks like they could have made the car wider, but suddenly went in narrower over the lights. The MK1 looks like it was designed with a wide opening bonnet and straight up the sides at the back, looks like it was designed to do the job more than someone saying 'hey this will look cool, lets copy the Volvo's bulbous humps down the side'.

The mk2 looks okay in my opinion. But like a lot of cars now, like the new punto, the new corsa, they just look like bulbous inflated 'styled' versions. Quite often I think the last, or a couple of generations ago looks cleaner designed.

Then there is the 'new car is both bigger, longer, wider and heavier' thing. WHY???? Then the mfr has to introduce a new 'small' model to fill the gap.... Crazy. If I wanted a bigger car, I'd have bought the next size up. If I wanted my 3 series bigger, I'd have bought a 5 series.... etc.

It seems that the consensus in this thread that the that the mk1 is a better motor than the 2

but

The mk1 looks old and is showing its age style wise

Thats my view and i dont own an octy and i never intend to buy one

So an impartial view

As we have 1 of each sat in front of the garage, I prefer the mkII every time.

For me it is the overall quality of build and feel that is a lot better in the MKII.

I dislike the cream carpets and trim in the mk1. The mkII just look a lot more civilised and comfortable - which it is imho.

Performance wise, my mkII is a bit quicker than the OH's mkI, the handling is a lot better and I think it looks a lot better from the outside.

No contest

Did the MKI have the Maxidot option?

don't think so, but a mk4 might have.

I think they are both good cars in different ways, although we all know that sequels are never as good as the original although i have not drivin the mk2! It is also important to note that the mk1 vrs was quite a revival for skoda. As it has shown the world that Skoda can make exiting, fun cars. I am a person who buys cars that have something about them, that are deem original or different. For instance what would you rather have a Escort RS Cosworth or RS Focus.......

And i think the new one looks too big...... in likeness of a Passat!

from my experience the interior is better put together and a nicer place to be but from driving a mk5 golf gti it all felt a bit disconnected and vague compared to my mk1 4x4

I chopped in a Mk1 for a MK2 back in March and TBH hated the Mk2 at first - but it has grown on me.

It doesn't feel as raw as the old one, more a quick luxury car.

The persistant niggles with the MK1 got me down, seat covers fraying, the interior always looking grubby (even after getting rid of the silver carpets) and the really annoying sqeak from the instrument trim that was always only there when the car wasn't at the dealers:(

For me the Mk1 is getting old looking now, a chap at work has one and when the new car is parked next to it, well, it just looks old.

As for residuals, demand, for the Mk1, I lost £5500 on mine, it was just coming up for three years old (bought for £13K as three month old ex demo) and it sold within an hour of getting traded in (and I wasn't raped on the price of the new one either).

I would question why you are looking at residuals? Given the fact you kept the MK1 for seven years, I'd be tempted to say I couldn't give a damn about the residuals if I like a car that much I am gonna keep it for 7years as opposed to my usual '2 years and change'.

It is true that people are not going to buy a MK1 anymore, the shape has been around for almost 10 years, so the appeal/glamour has gone. But that is what is great about the MK1, it has been around for so long and it is that great that you still see them on the street and that people still want to invest into it by tuning it. And they are getting cheap! Rock on!

The MK2 is much more civilised, too middle-class and hence the price is in line with the VAG price policy: over-pricing and marketed at the more abled consumer. I bought my MK1 back in may and had the option to buy a MK2. But the MK1 is so much more alert and offers more fun, more bang for your bucks... I don't want a car that is safe, predictable, I want the raw feelings you had in the 205 GTI back in the 80's, the R5 GT Turbo's. I want to see passion here , not an assurance that I am civilised.

Oh and concerning those people that make jokes about the logo, name, well f0ck'um as they are looking at a badge rather than a reliable car. Those people will probably buy a Golf and do not understand what it means when we say 'share platform'. I work hard for my pennies so I want a reliable and cheap car that will allow me to put my money in enjoying myself, not pay some sort of suit wearing marketeer a new pair of designer gucci glasses.

Now I get to spend my pennies on mods and holidays.

The reference to residuals was a general reference to all those Mk1 & Mk2 owners on here that have recently tried to sell their cars for a realistic price and failed and the marque in general, not a specific reference to myself, as I have not tried to sell mine.

You say that the Mk1, having been around for ten years has lost its glamour and appeal, and as such are now getting cheap.

I am sure that those who bought a new Mk1 Octy vRS around 05 at the end of the run will be really glad to hear that.

You say that you dont want to drive a car that is safe or predictable, this I cannot understand on todays roads, for if you modify a Mk1 Octy vRS correctly, you can have the passion you require togther with safety and predictable handling.

I know, as I, and many others have done it already.

Edited 28 July, 200817 yr by Beretta

I hope you don't work in the trade, I assume you don't from your comment. Skoda Octavia (all models) are on par with Audi as far as residuals go. If you would like to experience awful residual values I suggest you go and see Citroen and buy a £40k C6 that'll be worth £6,000 in 3 years.

Who in their right mind would buy a £40K Citroen????????

Whilst I agree you can find the occasional Audi A3 1.8T at a simailar price to an Octy vRS, most are a quite a bit dearer than the similar year/mileage Octy vRS, and attract a lot more interest, again look at those Skoda's advertised on here without a single serious offer, and the sellers keep posting to reduce the price day after day until they have to trade them for less.

The evidence is in the posts on this forum for all to see, as even ColinD cannot shift a limited edition 1 of 100 on here.

Just look in Black Cap for a comparision of prices, Audis will always attract a top price, Skoda's, well????????????????????????????????

The reference to residuals was a general reference to all those Mk1 & Mk2 owners on here that have recently tried to sell their cars for a realistic price and failed and the marque in general, not a specific reference to myself, as I have not tried to sell mine.

You say that the Mk1, having been around for ten years has lost its glamour and appeal, and as such are now getting cheap.

I am sure that those who bought a new Mk1 Octy vRS around 05 at the end of the run will be really glad to hear that.

You say that you dont want to drive a car that is safe or predictable, this I cannot understand on todays roads, for if you modify a Mk1 Octy vRS correctly, you can have the passion you require togther with safety and predictable handling.

I know, as I, and many others have done it already.

Hi

It was not in my intention to offend any recent buyers, in fact, I bought my 04-reg in May 2007. What I would like to stress is the fact that the price might have dropped sharply, but that could be due to the fact that people think it is old, because it has been around for so long. Still, the 'mechanical' residuals are not affected by this. I mean the demand might have dried up, causing the price to drop, but that does not reflect on the quality of the car.

I'd like to think I bought for its reliablility, and the fact that the car is still a little rough on the edge. Off course I want my car to be safe and predictable. but this thread is all about preception and opinion.

In my opinion the MKI is squary, sharky, nervous and harsh (all within limits). Which I like (nothing to do with SM btw)

the MKII is a little too middle-class, just a little to much slap on the face, working hard to get that backside slimmer. Just feels like in line with corporate thinking.

And although I have never driven one, I am willing to accept it will allow you to push it even further than the MKI, thereby being even safer and coping with even more and all that. Just that the MKI looks like a vRS you see...

Who in their right mind would buy a £40K Citroen????????

Whilst I agree you can find the occasional Audi A3 1.8T at a simailar price to an Octy vRS, most are a quite a bit dearer than the similar year/mileage Octy vRS, and attract a lot more interest, again look at those Skoda's advertised on here without a single serious offer, and the sellers keep posting to reduce the price day after day until they have to trade them for less.

The evidence is in the posts on this forum for all to see, as even ColinD cannot shift a limited edition 1 of 100 on here.

Just look in Black Cap for a comparision of prices, Audis will always attract a top price, Skoda's, well????????????????????????????????

(not sure it would make the MK1 better than the MK2, or vice versa though but)

Very good point indeed, yet, isn't that the great thing? Is it not so that the A3 1.8T is deerer because people thing 'badge with the 4 rings'. Is the vRS not cheaper because people snob the Skoda brand. If we can agree that they are fundamentally the same, Is it then not great to know that you are essentially buying the same great engine, with proven capability, but at the correct price?

(should I say thank you to those people who think "oh yes, but it's a skoda so...". Without them I would have had to pay more for my MKI 54 vRS)

cig lighter is in an inconvenient place in the MKI though.

(not sure it would make the MK1 better than the MK2, or vice versa though but)

Very good point indeed, yet, isn't that the great thing? Is it not so that the A3 1.8T is deerer because people thing 'badge with the 4 rings'. Is the vRS not cheaper because people snob the Skoda brand. If we can agree that they are fundamentally the same, Is it then not great to know that you are essentially buying the same great engine, with proven capability, but at the correct price?

(should I say thank you to those people who think "oh yes, but it's a skoda so...". Without them I would have had to pay more for my MKI 54 vRS)

cig lighter is in an inconvenient place in the MKI though.

So is the climate control..............

The reference to the £40K Citroen was made by another poster.

Well,I miss my Mk I.

Wheels,calipers,front spoiler were all perfect IMO

I think 'that looks mean and smart' when I see one but sadly I don't get the same feeling with a MK II (though I am sure it is excellent and I would be quite happy to have one)

In fact,I really do miss my mk I

Well,I miss my Mk I.

Wheels,calipers,front spoiler were all perfect IMO

I think 'that looks mean and smart' when I see one but sadly I don't get the same feeling with a MK II (though I am sure it is excellent and I would be quite happy to have one)

In fact,I really do miss my mk I

Well, they are cheap enough now to buy another one................LOL

Well, they are cheap enough now to buy another one................LOL

Have to say I'm still wincing at getting £4500 for my serviced on the dot ,incredibly well maintained one.

You are right,you get nothing for them:(

Ive just picked up my Octi from the dealers after having cruise retro fitted. All today ive had a loan car which was a mk2 1.9 tdi octi. The difference I noticed most of all was the brakes, they are much stronger on the mk2. Also it felt more planted and solid handling.

I still love my mk1 though:D

Just out of interest, how much did the dealer charge you for retrofitting Cruise?

I want to get it fitted on mine, but feel agreaved at paying someone to fit it when I could do most of it myself (all bar the VAG-COM bit), but can't seem to find the time to do it.

As for the main discussion - I bought a MK1 Elegance estate, as I preferred the look of the estate over the hatch in mk1 form. However, if I was buying a mk2, (which I am not) I'd buy a hatch as I think the estate looks overweight.

I like the look of the mk2 VRS, and will certainly consider this when I eventually change my mk1. Having said that, I run my cars until they fall apart, so it could be some time yet!

On the residuals front, from the information I have seen on the internet, yes, an Audi A3 will cost more than an octy of the same age and condition, but the A3 cost more when new. As a percentage, they've probably lost about the same amount.

I also feel that Skoda put in the effort to out build VW. My ex has a Mk4 Golf, of similar age and milage to my octy. The Octy feels better put together, and other than servicing, I've not had to spend anything on it. My ex has spent almost as much as she paid for the car initially to get it put right, including a new gearbox.

Edited 28 July, 200817 yr by AndrewTait

Well, they are cheap enough now to buy another one................LOL

Have to say I'm still wincing at getting £4500 for my serviced on the dot ,incredibly well maintained one.

You are right,you get nothing for them:(

but...why the bl**din hell did you sell it then? Was the message not clear then?

MKI: very low insurance though, not stolen often...

but...why the bl**din hell did you sell it then? Was the message not clear then?

Errr....this was a year ago and the trade in offered was £3000.

Errr....this was a year ago and the trade in offered was £3000.

Imagine what you'd get offered now...................LOL

Just out of interest, how much did the dealer charge you for retrofitting Cruise?

I want to get it fitted on mine, but feel agreaved at paying someone to fit it when I could do most of it myself (all bar the VAG-COM bit), but can't seem to find the time to do it.

If you want cruise fitted, there are several members on here who will do it a lot cheaper than a main dealer, depending where you live.

if you want cruise and don't have the time/inclination to fit it yourself then you'll have to pay :confused:

if you don't want to pay then do it yourself the same with the rest of life