would theyre be much if any improvement with a car thats on coilovers? as mines handles pretty bob on at the minute and i kindov know how i can drive it and what it can take?

dont want it to become unpredictable?

It doesn't become unpredictable. The only thing you can't predict is where the talent ends...

If your happy then leave it

Speed & Lateral Force > Grip = Rearward Hedge-Seeking Missile was very predictable in hindsight.

Normally if I realised I'd overcooked it and lifted off, it would understeer like a truffle pig, then come back into line but the last time it went into oversteer. Luckily it was on a nice big, wide, corner with nothing coming the other way. New tyres and trousers required:eek:

also i saw on awesome gti a rear anti roll bar for 100 quid but the jabba one is 200 quid there must b a reason and i would like to know wot this is any1 know ?

I wouldn't know any other reason other than that they fookin' rock! Had mine almost 2 years here in Dubai, which I got from Jabba (thanks again y'all), and the handling still rocks. Stops your car from rollin' like a fat queen!

Get one

Since we're on ARBs, is there any sort of maintenance that should be carried out on them after a while?

. In fact, this is how stiff the Jabba bar is....

Yup - Mine "lifts" a wheel nicely now. Can "kind of" see it in this video. Not got any photos of it doing it though, Jabba ARB combo with KW V1 coilies. Spot on. Can see the back left wheel stop moving on the last cone.

YouTube - Jason Mongrel Fabia North Weald Carlimits.com Handling Day

I refitted the Jabba rear ARB to the estate, as well as a Forge rear strut. The estate has a much larger overhang at the rear, so the balance of the car when cornering is a tad different anyway, and the dive under breaking is less, but the cornering is still way improved by having it fitted.

Cannot comment on the Whiteline vs Jabba with regards performance and price. The Jabba one works for sure, and it is possibly stiffer than the Whiteline. I am happy with the Jabba one.

The Whiteline seems to involve less thickness, but is adjustable and lower in price. Either will give a massive improvement in handling. If you visit Jabba to get other work done, I'd deffo get it done at the same time, well worth it. I guess ditto for Awesome and the Whiteline they stock

tbh from all the comments on here, id be pretty worried with the jabba bar fitted that the back end was gonna come out on me all the time, if i was getting one it would have to be the whiteline

Frankly you have to go pretty nuts for the back to go round, I've never had that problem on the road driving with reasonable sense. You get lift off oversteer, if you push the car pretty hard. During what I would consider 'normal' driving, you will feel the car corners much more stable (also in the wet, in case you are worried about that), and handles predictably. It reduces the understeer a fair bit, but of course, the vRS remains a front-heavy beast so it will never go completely

The second benefit is that the car corners more flat, and that makes it more comfortable for passengers when making more progress

One of the things people haven't really mentioned so far is how the bar affects the ride. Making the connection between the wheels stiffer results in the car being made more 'jiggly' over uneven surfaces. It's a minor price to pay for the overall effect but nevertheless one that's definitely present.

I fitted the Whiteline to mine as I couldn't justify the extra £100 or so for the Jabba one. It's only to make the car a little more fun for me on the commute etc as Decron stated....the car will never see a track - I'd get an old 205 GTi for something like that.

After having mine fitted and also being in a car with the Jabba one being pushed hard, you can definitely feel that the Jabba bar is stiffer. The rear is much easier to provoke out of line and a drift is easily obtained (and also easily controlled). The Whiteline on the stiffest setting (I set it to that straight away) takes a bit more provocation to acheive the same effect but you can still do it.

IMO the Whiteline makes a good all-rounder as it's not quite as stiff and is a good place to start. Even with this one it takes some getting used to as the way the car goes round bends is completely different, especially sweeping ones which are harder to predict than roundabouts.

Another thing to bear in mind is that the Whiteline bar is actually for the Polo 9N and not the Fabia vRS. The vRS rear twist beam that the U clamps from the RARB go round is a bit bigger than the Polo and as a result you have to bend them to be a bit wider. It's fiddly, especially on your back but do-able.

In summary, fitting a RARB and mapping the car are the 2 best things I've done, in fact the best things I've done to any car I've had as they produced the biggest grins and still make me smile to this day when I'm feeling frisky.

tbh from all the comments on here, id be pretty worried with the jabba bar fitted that the back end was gonna come out on me all the time, if i was getting one it would have to be the whiteline

You drive according to the conditions. Your going to have to be be doing something pretty dumb to get it to swap ends. I never managed it and I tracked mine regularly.

You drive according to the conditions. Your going to have to be be doing something pretty dumb to get it to swap ends. I never managed it and I tracked mine regularly.

Indeed - Jabba ARB or not - At the moment in 2.5 degC and below temps, I am being damn careful around corners. ARB is not ESP

Indeed - Jabba ARB or not - At the moment in 2.5 degC and below temps, I am being damn careful around corners. ARB is not ESP

Well you wouldn't want to put it on it's roof....

well you wouldn't want to put it on it's roof....

again!

i dont drive like a loon and ive only just got the car, AND had the cambelt done, so im taking it easy anyway, just a few comments about how stiff the jabba bar is got me worried about the back end being ultra twitchy

In all honesty, the car actually becomes more predictable with a RARB fitted. It doesn't go from hellish nose diving understeer to lift off oversteer as easily as the car feels more balanced and better weighted in the first place. Slight oversteer comes earlier without you pushing as hard and you can take the car into a controllable drift quite easily.

Not sure why manufacturers make some cars so excessively prone to understeer......the levels of lift off oversteer are more dangerous in my mind as it catches people out and they end up in a ditch / on their roof. The amount of Peugeots I've seen like this is unreal.....including 2 of mine. The back end suddenly snaps out when you back off the gas and BANG, you're doing a 360 towards the nearest field.

You drive according to the conditions. Your going to have to be be doing something pretty dumb to get it to swap ends. I never managed it and I tracked mine regularly.

I think dumb is a bad word for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it doesn't mean stupid, it means someone who can't speak. Not the same thing. Secondly, I've been driving FWD cars for almost 20 years and my natural reaction when I feel the car move about under me is to lift. It wasn't a stupid thing to do, it was my learned reaction. I needed to unlearn it in this particular car. With the RARB fitted, the car will break away at the back if you back off the throttle in a hurry. It's one of the reasons manufacturers set car's up like that, people would tend to rather plough on nose first into a ditch than get hurled backwards into it.

As possibly the only person in this thread to have spun a RARB equipped Fabia I can assure you that I WOULD RECOMMEND 100% GETTING ONE. The car spun because I was exceeding the limits of available grip and when I felt the car go, I did what came naturally and it was the wrong thing to do. 100% driver error. I was lucky and got away with it. What you have to bear in mind is that the speed I was going was significantly faster than I could have in a non RARB equipped Fabia. And actually it was within the speed limit for the road. However the car can't compensate for a bad driver that exceeds the limits of available grip and ***** it up. But I wouldn't use my crappy driving (and I'm a terrible driver) as an excuse not to fit a RARB.

Edited 16 December, 200817 yr by wja96

I would like to ask about the whiteline ones. My mate has a whiteline on his Evo 7 - he says the fit of it is totally crap! It doesnt fit worth **** and when he spoke to whiteline about it they sent him another one and it was a completely different shape to the first one - and it didnt fit any better!

What would you do? Whiteline or Jabba?

I would like to ask about the whiteline ones. My mate has a whiteline on his Evo 7 - he says the fit of it is totally crap! It doesnt fit worth **** and when he spoke to whiteline about it they sent him another one and it was a completely different shape to the first one - and it didnt fit any better!

What would you do? Whiteline or Jabba?

Well, on one hand the Whiteline is literally half the price excluding fitting, so if that's a factor, it's probably the deciding factor. And we know from a post above that the Whiteline is actually a 9N Polo bar that can be fettled onto a Fabia, so you know from the outset that fit isn't going to be perfect, but it does fit.

I bought the JabbaSport one, and I can easily justify it to myself simply by saying, well, would I be thinking "I wish I'd bought the stiffer one" later on? I probably would, so the more expensive, stiffer Jabba Sport bar was the right one for me. If you're the sort of person who is content, then the Whiteline looks like a real bargain compared to the JabbaSport bar.

I don't think either will upset you whatever you choose.

Jabba jabbaj jabba jabba

Quality wise. Jabba all the way. The Whiteline ones are very hit and miss shape wise. Loom for the Roomster thread by Decron....he had to modify his Whiteline bar quite heavily to make it fit as the ends were all over the place. :(

In addition, the powder coat on his bar was also faulty and it rusted like a bitch. Whiteline saw his posts on here and sent him another for free which was nice.

My bar was fine though although as I mentioned the U clamps aren't quite big enough for the vRS Fabia's rear twist beam.