How would a 100 series or an Estelle work out with a big motorbike engine in it?

If you can make a Fireplace unit drive a Polo/Derby...

Bike engines seem fragile though when lugging round 4x the weight they were designed to power... :(

i always fancied a bike engined smart car

i always fancied a bike engined smart car

doesn't someone they make these??

The ancient old Skoda engine is part of the RWD Skodas charm, leave it be! [iMO]

funny enough I was thinking evil thaughts about a Hayabusa engine just this morning, even went as far as pricing them up on the bay of e...

but yeah, high revving engine sounds a damn good plan, them Hayabusa's are a 1300 as well, would imagine getting a gearbox on it would be a PITA though..

Hayabusa seems ideal though,

1300cc DOHC straight 4, watercooled, 159BHP as standard and plenty of tubby kits exist for them, could be a nice easy route to 200BHP or so while keeping a small enough engine that'll fit without killing the weight distribution/balance (etc)

i was thinking about this for my estelle.

The problem is, to run it chain drive like a 'normal' setup requires cutting the shell up, and if you put it in the back, you will be going backwards fast!!!

I thought about mateing the drive off the bike box to the input shaft on the skoda box and leaving one of them in like 4th gear.

As was mentioned on Retro Rides (where i asked the question) it will work but you have to live with revving it's nuts off to go anywhere (that personally appeals to me however!!)

Bloke next door to me has two wayhayabusa engines in the back of his Pug 205, and it goes so well, that the back end often gets round the grasser track before the front end. Last time out he smashed it up big style, so he is fitting the engines in to a fiat cequento

I was thinking in terms of "could you use an adapter plate to put a Hayabusa engine on a Skoda box?" too. There's even an upgrade path of sorts in the form of a VW T1/T2/T3 box if the Skoda ones die too fast.

if you went for a vw box, there are loads of kits for mating different car engines.

My favorite option would be a subaru boxer turbo lump, for which there are all sorts of kits for fitting to vw boxes!

Ok....as somoeone with some bike/car hybrid experience...you dont mate the bike engine to any car gearbox. The gearbox sits under the engine and they share oil and various other things. The only car Ive ever seen mated to a car gearbox still had the bike gearbox attached and used the car box as final drive, but it was a heavy unnecessary set up.

You either chain drive a diff (like my race car) or you hook up a drive shaft (like my neighbours Locost race car) to the bike gears.

A company called Z cars already do conversions on a few cars and Ive seen a Fiat 126 with a Fireblade engine so theres no reason why it couldnt be done.....but it would most likely be as a toy as bike engines are very noisy when revved and you'd need to rev one to get an Estelle moving at decent speed.

oh well, scratch that idea then... back to working out how to get a gearbox for a skoda to fit an SR20DET...

Like Hawkeracing said, a bike-engined car ain't likely to be a road-going proposition. Looked into this one time with a mate, and we soon enough realised that the bike engines rely on monster revs to get the power: the torque at everyday revs is nothing that remarkable, TBH. Now a 'Blade engine will put out well over 100BHP, but it does it at screaming revs and it won't sit there for all that long without blowing up. Most motorbikes spend most of their life cruising waaaaay below the red line (I know all the showoff bikers boast about riding their machines at 180mph every weekend but if that's true, how come in 21 years I've had a driving licence I've never seen a single bike doing anywhere near that speed?), putting out realistically 30 or 40BHP with just momentary peaks of 100+BHP when overtaking, popping a wheelie or whatever.

Put a bike engine in a car and race it by all means, but you'll be doing a fair bit of engine-out maintenance!

Ive seen a Fiat 126 with a Fireblade engine

Holy c***! There surely can't have been much original 126 running gear left?

Hello!

I think the motorbike engine is not the best way to put more power into a rwd skoda...the better way is to put there an another engine...the easiest way is using one from the VW group. For example 1.8 20V (130HP) or 1.8T(150HP) and with this solution the adapter between the engine and the gearbox is solved too (in Felicia 1.6 is a VW engine, but Skoda gearbox (same monting holes, like in rwd gearboxes and 1.3 Felicias), so they solved this problem with an adapter, so You just need an adapter from the 1.6 Felicia and a lot of mounting problems has been solved)...

I apologiaze for my bad english.

Greatings from Slovakia!

Miki

hmm, I'd like to upgrade the gearbox at the same time though, IIRC the standard Rapid Gearbox is only good to about 120-130BHP, mine's a bit old now I think and could do with changing anyway.

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hmmm...

How would a 100 series or an Estelle work out with a big motorbike engine in it?

If you can make a Fireplace unit drive a Polo/Derby...

A Fireplace? like a Train furnace?

/I'll get my coat

I often wondered how a power bike engine would fare in a car

Honda Fireblade, frequently known as a "Fireplace", normally by people who drive something not a Honda!

I agree about the bike engine not being too usable for anything other than track days. I remember locally a black Rapid with a Fit 2.0 TC engine fitted on twin carbs many years ago.. That seemed to go well

I think a Toyota 4AGE would go well in an Estelle! Plenty 'box options, lightweight, high revving, reliable and in 5-valve form can make in excess of 160bhp. They are also pretty cheap!!

can't imagine you'd get a suitable box to mate a 4AGE up to an estelle or rapid...IIRC when the 4AGE is in mid engine form it sits latitude and the box sits underneath it...

can't imagine you'd get a suitable box to mate a 4AGE up to an estelle or rapid...IIRC when the 4AGE is in mid engine form it sits latitude and the box sits underneath it...

4AGE was also fitted to the front and rear drive Corolla of the era to name but a few.....would be as easy as getting an adaptor made up.

4AGE is very popular in kit cars now though so there should be options for fitting the old VW bus box. It is used longitudinally in the Formula Atlantic race cars using a Hewland transaxle and I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to get an Audi 80 or Renault 21 transaxle to fit with an adapter plate and hybrid clutch...

The 4AGE was fitted fore and aft in the Corolla GT Coupe (RWD, live axle), as well as the transaxle fitting in the Corolla GTi (FWD hatch), MR2 mk1.

1.4TSI i think would be the killer.

200BHP,

all alu block,

wv bell patten, so there are plenty of plates floating around to make it fit.