mine is running 1.2 bar whats that in psi????

as std the vRS runs at 16 psi doesnt it? mine was running 1bar or 1.1bar iirc on the std map. ill dig out my graphs and look.

20psi sounds high though.

billy

mine is running 1.2 bar whats that in psi????

about 17.5

rgr thanks mate.

just looked at the graphs and ne mind what i said bout stock psi.

Mine with stock map was 0.7 bar.

RS Tuning map was 1.2 bar. thats manifold preasure.

mind wouldnt having the FMIC make it have less???

cheers billy

I was going to keep mine standard, But after coming on this site and getting familier with what you can do, the bug caught me. I have probably taken mine as far as i can go unless I go bigger turbo route now which is not on the cards. Most of my mods are silimar to others on here and tried and tested. As others have said, Remap is by far the best BHP for buck. Really need to make sure you can stop ok and handle ok, before that though, then the tuning bug will really kick in. Mine was running 220 BHP recorded at JKM prior to CAI and Forge FMIC fitted so maybe a few more horses. Getting traction on a front wheel drive 200BHP plus car is interesting, even driving mildly in this weather.

I was going to keep mine standard, But after coming on this site and getting familier with what you can do, the bug caught me. I have probably taken mine as far as i can go unless I go bigger turbo route now which is not on the cards. Most of my mods are silimar to others on here and tried and tested. As others have said, Remap is by far the best BHP for buck. Really need to make sure you can stop ok and handle ok, before that though, then the tuning bug will really kick in. Mine was running 220 BHP recorded at JKM prior to CAI and Forge FMIC fitted so maybe a few more horses. Getting traction on a front wheel drive 200BHP plus car is interesting, even driving mildly in this weather.

yip ther do like to spin lol anyone got recomedations for remaping in north east all i can find is a mobile unit??

boost pressure doesn't mean anything though really, what turbo is your sierra running?

Boost pressure means quite alot IMO.I admit I don't actually know alot of the details, etc but boost pressure depends on what turbo, etc you run. Im used to Cosworth's, so in this case my Esc Cos runs a T35 @ 35psi. If I run a T4 or a GT35 I can run less boost with the same results as them being bigger turbo's. Mine spools up very quickly compared to these tho.

Say a standard VRS runs 0.7bar (14.7PSI = 1BAR roughly) and a re-map takes the new boost upto 12psi (Thanks to removing a previous limit set by the manufacturer the turbo can actually work a bit harder and get a bit hotter, which they like. Obviously not too much tho lol) Removing this limit will need the fueling adjusted. On cars like the VRS everything is done via the ECU, so adjusting the fueling to suit can be quite easy using the right map on the car. This can then be used on other vehicles with very similier specs without much tolerence between the figures.

Obviously if you get a remap from a specialist it would be far more beneficial as the mapper can adapt every part of the map to your specific car. Is this really needed on a car that will have no more mods than an exhaust, filter and a very few other bits like TIP, dump valve, etc?

Sorry if I seem like a know-it-all. I certainly do not have alot of knowledge, just things Ive picked up on. I maybe wrong with my info, so I apologise if it is wrong. Im just giving the best advice I can to a new VRS owner and after searching this site for hours finding the best mods for my own car I like to think my info is accurate and beneficial.

what i was getting at is boost pressure itself doesn't mean power, eddy was running the same boost pressure as i did on my standard turbo, but where i was making around 200bhp he was making 450bhp+ as he was running a gt30.

doesnt a small turbo need to have more preasure? as the big turbos can move more air so dont need to have that much as they can keep up with what the engine is using???

cossie, is what you are sayin, go for a generic map? as cars are the same?

thats jus how I read it, get a map that has been made for a car with a filter and zorst then get itput on urs?

billy

oh love the esc.

sounds about right that mate.

mmmm but just coz its the same engine, ECU and stuff doesnt mean its gonna give the same power with the same map. every engine is unique in some minor way. so generic maps really are crap imo. they are just a cheap way for tuners to make money.

good thing with a custom job, you know you are gettin the best out of the car and the extra ££££ is worth it i think. after I had the generic map on mine there is always that feeling that more can be got. and 16bhp was the result. plus 50ft lb iirc. and it was soooooo smooth in comparrison too.

thats more down to the tuner rather than custom Vs generic though i'd say.

yea if you get a good one.

mind thats the thing. I got my custom one for less than the APR stage 1 i think. £395 custom and £400+ APR?????

he was making 450bhp+ as he was running a gt30.

I wouldn't take any notice of those figures.

fair enough, even if he was only making 400bhp its still twice the power at the same pressure

The amount of times i've heard 'I only want 200bhp'.

I stand by what I said earlier and as you can see it's not easy.

you would never hear me say that

i always want more and can't wait to have a quad turbo 16 litre W24 in my octavia

lol

nice but If I hade lots of money(one of the dragons) then Id take my car and make it RWD and put the 4.2 V8 from the RS4 in it and bigger fuel tank too. then look at doin the mods to others who want it lol.

but I dont have the money so i am content wi the 1.8T lol

good thing with a custom job, you know you are gettin the best out of the car and the extra ££££ is worth it i think. after I had the generic map on mine there is always that feeling that more can be got. and 16bhp was the result. plus 50ft lb iirc. and it was soooooo smooth in comparrison too.

lookin at my graph again.(all figs are with the mods in my sig and Vpower)

Upsolute Generic =210.5bhp 245 ft lb (2 runs) £275 mob tuner

Stock =187.5bhp 193 ft lb (5 runs) Put on before Custom to see what figures were.

RS Tuning Custom =226.1bhp 263 ft lb (27 runs) £395 on Xmas Deal now is £450 ish not sure.

all at fly.

so it was more 20 ft lb but it is smoother and doesnt drop of a cliff like the generic one did. mind as said it depends on what map you get.

lookin at my graph again.(all figs are with the mods in my sig and Vpower)

Upsolute Generic =210.5bhp 245 ft lb (2 runs) £275 mob tuner

Stock =187.5bhp 193 ft lb (5 runs) Put on before Custom to see what figures were.

RS Tuning Custom =226.1bhp 263 ft lb (27 runs) £395 on Xmas Deal now is £450 ish not sure.

all at fly.

so it was more 20 ft lb but it is smoother and doesnt drop of a cliff like the generic one did. mind as said it depends on what map you get.

i know this mite be a silly question as i know bot all about it! but do these maps have names or codes to identify them ill travel up to 200miles (full tank) to get a good map im in newcastle upon tyne and cant seam to find anyone who dose them for my octy localy other than mobile remapers ??

Clay, take it to another rolling road (Not the people who mapped your car) and see what figures you make ` Rollers can make any figures depending on how they are configured (Not disrespecting the company involved).

And you will need it mapped again after you fit the new TIP

what i was getting at is boost pressure itself doesn't mean power, eddy was running the same boost pressure as i did on my standard turbo, but where i was making around 200bhp he was making 450bhp+ as he was running a gt30.

Boost pressue and size turbo does not mean power, but it can give an estimate. To get 450bhp on a GT30 (Small turbo for 450bhp anyway) you would need (At a guess) 30-40psi with alot of other mods to go along with it (Such as engine internals, injectors, etc), so how the hell did you run the same on a standard turbo?? My Esc Cos runs 35psi to achieve 400bhp on a T35 which iirc is similier to a GT30. I could never run 35psi on my standard VRS as it would melt everything!

cossie, is what you are sayin, go for a generic map? as cars are the same?

Yes. To get a custom map would see hardly any gains for the extra £200-£500. And to actually notice any power gain would be very, very small. So is it really worth it as there are many remaps available for this very highly produced engine (Currently in around 6 car variations). The remap would be a specific car remapped to as best as possible, then copied and sold for other similier cars.

mmmm but just coz its the same engine, ECU and stuff doesnt mean its gonna give the same power with the same map. every engine is unique in some minor way. so generic maps really are crap imo. they are just a cheap way for tuners to make money

The differences between each engine would be sooooooooooooo minute no/hardly any gain would be seen from a custom map. Are these engines not massively produced by machines? Are machines not 99.999999999999999% accurate? That 0.000000000000000001 difference is soooooooo small its not worth mentioning lol

good thing with a custom job, you know you are gettin the best out of the car and the extra ££££ is worth it i think. after I had the generic map on mine there is always that feeling that more can be got. and 16bhp was the result. plus 50ft lb iirc. and it was soooooo smooth in comparrison too

Custom mapping is the best way to map a car. I will never knock that as I would only custom map my Esc Cos, BUT for these engines in standard form with 2/3 small mods there is no need IMO. That would be your choice, which I respect

mind as said it depends on what map you get

I will be going to MS Developments in Blackpool for my VRS chip. They are very good in the Ford scene and have recently launched their own remapping software for other vehicles. I will become an Evolutions Chips (MSD's brand) dealer within 12months

lookin at my graph again.(all figs are with the mods in my sig and Vpower)

Upsolute Generic =210.5bhp 245 ft lb (2 runs) £275 mob tuner

Stock =187.5bhp 193 ft lb (5 runs) Put on before Custom to see what figures were.

RS Tuning Custom =226.1bhp 263 ft lb (27 runs) £395 on Xmas Deal now is £450 ish not sure.

all at fly.

so it was more 20 ft lb but it is smoother and doesnt drop of a cliff like the generic one did. mind as said it depends on what map you get.

I got 217bhp and 263 ftlbs on this RR before the FMIC last yr, this is from the £100 generic Ebay map, god knows what it is now:confused:

Definite all generic maps are not bad.

na mate that sounds good. how smooth was it?

the main prob i got is std DP with 200cell cat. that y not high, but not too bothered as its good enough as she is.

think ill just get a faster car to start with next time lol (not for a while)

Graph didn't look too smooth but it drives smooth on the road.

mine was not too smooth neither and it pulled hard till 3k then you went thru the windscreen lol

the new map i got is very smooth and even better on the road and works nice with 95 ron tesco 99 and vPower. vpower is the best and nicest to drive on though.

this is strayin from the question asked though.

£ 200 rear ARB

£ 75 good set of pads

£ 160 good set of front discs

£ 40 fleaBay CAI

£ 50 good filter

£ 600 Turbo back system

£ 450 for a good remap.

just rough prices