I was driving to Ipswich the other day and as I came round the bend on the A14, there was a van on the grass verge with a camera pointing out the back. I was doing 85mph in a 70mph zone (85mph according to my Tomtom) at 7am. What is the chance of me getting £60 fine and 3 points? I'm not holding out much hope really

I got caught 40mph in a 30 zone recently - didn't even see the camera!

Got offered a speed awareness course. Cost me £60 but avoids the points - and you don't have to tell your insurance.

Not all areas offer them, and all have different criteria for whether you will be offered a course, but you may get lucky

Pretty sure bet me thinks, 85mph on tomtom is pretty accurtae and so over the 10%+2 rule.

Yup. If you were in Cambs territory, 15 over the limit you *may* get a summons for court.

Not sure about Suffolk police, they may be strict too!

you will get a ticket if they clocked your speed.

the operator has to be pulling the trigger at the time, if they were sitting having a cup of coffee you wont have been caught.

i've had a few run in's with camera vans where i was sure i'd have a letter due but never heard a thing.

you will get a ticket if they clocked your speed.

the operator has to be pulling the trigger at the time, if they were sitting having a cup of coffee you wont have been caught.

According to the ACPO guidelines ,they're supossed to "form an opinion that you were exceeding the limit " - but stories abound about the camera being left on "auto",set at 10%+2 (don't know whether that's possible ) .

Either way - time to watch the letterbox for the next few days ,(14 I believe ,after that check for violation of the service rule ), but if out of date ,believe that you still have to name names or get done for failing to grass .

Edited 15 March, 200917 yr by Bigw2069
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Better hope it was ANPR rather than mobile camera van. Likely to be a fixed penalty 60 quid and three points.

7am Friday, Limehouse Link Tunnel, 35 in a 30, 2 flashes, digital camera, job done I think :thumbdwn:

Still, 300,000ish miles since my last ticket

As for SCAMera vans, i've been past a few and not had a ticket, luck of the draw really. The operator could be doing anything in there other than pulling his trigger

Best report your car stolen just on the off chance.. :P

Seems like their having a session round Ipswich then. Think i got caught the other day, as I got past a lorry I spotted one of those bloody vans. Was typical, wouldn't normally of had my foot down on the particular bit of road but had a case of gastric flu and time was against me! Waiting for the letter...

might be lucky depending what limit they've been instructed to catch at (and how much of a back log they have at the office to get through). its not uncommon for them to park up and get on with paperwork, set up or de set equipment. Also at the side of the road pointing out they can get a lower reading to what you are doing (cossine error).

Seeing as it was 85mph GPS verified, I would have thought it would be a points exercise I'm afraid :(

Steve

Best report your car stolen just on the off chance.. :P

Been tried ,like the case of someone taking the rap - with the hit squadsin action ,looks like fastest way to get a holiday at Her Maj's Pleasure.Courts seem to take dim view of this sort of thing (calling it something like Preverting cousre of justice .Mind you why that don't apply to the SCP is beyond most folks reasoning :confused:) (Though that might be called "demanding money with menaces ";))

Seeing as it was 85mph GPS verified, I would have thought it would be a points exercise I'm afraid :(

Steve

Yup. Too many people have posted about removing the error in reading, or going by their GPS speed.

Shows why you shouldnt

7am Friday, Limehouse Link Tunnel, 35 in a 30, 2 flashes, digital camera, job done I think :thumbdwn:

Still, 300,000ish miles since my last ticket

As for SCAMera vans, i've been past a few and not had a ticket, luck of the draw really. The operator could be doing anything in there other than pulling his trigger

IIRC the limehouse is set to 34, so yes expect a ticket PDQ. The met are very quick at these.

And ref the 14 day rule - this is to the registered owner. If leased, this rule is almost void, and they actually have 6 months+ to find a driver.

Then there's admin fees charged by some lease firms and employers -usually £25

D-Day is Saturday 21st March - if they have not sent your notice of intended prosecution by then, they can forget it.

Poster above is right that you still have to fill in the s172 notice, otherwise you are prosecuted for failing to furnish information. You should ALWAYS return these things, even if you don't accept that you committed the offence. You are not admitting anything by filling it in, other than the fact that you were the driver at the time.

If NIP arrives, and the date on the face of it is AFTER 21st March 2009 then fill in the rear of the form and send it back. They will reply giving you the offer of 3 points and a £60 fixed penalty, or the chance to dispute the ticket in court. Write back again telling them you want a court date.

They must then prove that they complied with the procedural requirements, including notifying you within 14 days that you might be prosecuted. If they can't do that, they can whistle for it.

I have seen them try all manner of tricks to get around this - I sent a NIP back for one client saying "your NIP is out of time, so feck off" (or words to that effect) and they promptly sent the client another one saying "sorry, the date on the last one was wrong", and enclosing another, clearly amended one, with an in-time date on it!!

Thankfully client had given me the original so I wrote back and asked for a court date, got one, the prosecutor in court took one look at the original NIP and dropped the case.

You have to remember that these tickets are issued by a Police Central Ticket Office, which is basically just a load of police civil service employees who think they know they rules, and are no doubt given bonuses based on how many tickets get paid. Once the case gets into the hands of a CPS lawyer, if they have not done their job properly (which is frequent) then the case goes bye-byes.

Of course, this has led people to belive they can get away with any speeding offence.

You can't, but it is always worth checking they have done it properly...

SW

PS - false reports about stolen cars to avoid tickets attract prosecutions for perverting the course of justice, as somebody quite rightly pointed out. Straight to Crown Court, straight to prison, in my experience. Don't do it. Not for the sake of avoiding 3 points!

D-Day is Saturday 21st March - if they have not sent your notice of intended prosecution by then, they can forget it.

Unless it's leased/not yours, in which case they have longer to track you down.

Only the registered keeper must be served within 14 days. After this, there are no limits on time to locate the driver.

True true true - the NIP must be served upon the registered keeper within 14 days. If that's not you, you'll need to check with whoever IS the reg keeper and see whether the NIP was served on THEM within 14 days.

85 on my Tom Tom would give around 90 on my speedo so I'd say you have slim hope. When (if) the NIP arrives I'd still request a copy of the photo. You never know, there could be a problem with it that could work in your favour.

Failing that, it may also make a good avitar.

True true true - the NIP must be served upon the registered keeper within 14 days. If that's not you, you'll need to check with whoever IS the reg keeper and see whether the NIP was served on THEM within 14 days.

And that's working days I presume?

Steve

I'll throw this back to soapywalrus - wasn't there some issue with the signature on the NIP -as in it must be signed by/on behalf of the Chief Constable ?? -something else to check ????

14 days being everyday

And that's working days I presume?

Steve

No, it's calendar days.And in answer to the "must be signed by the Chief Constable" point, I'd have to check that, but I suspect from the way most road traffic legislation is drafted that it'll be "by or on behalf of", which is much wider. I'll check that for you when I get a minute today, and get back to you.SW

I'll throw this back to soapywalrus - wasn't there some issue with the signature on the NIP -as in it must be signed by/on behalf of the Chief Constable ?? -something else to check ????

No issue with signature on notice of intended prosecution - it is enough that you have been warned that you might be prosecuted. The police don't actually have to serve you with a notice of intended prosecution at all if you have been pulled at the roadside and warned that you may be reported for the offence. That's why when you watch "Police Camera Nicked" or whatever you'll see the coppers say to the people they stop "I am now warning you that you will be reported for the offence of driving without due care, you do not have to say anything etc etc etc" - this is in lieu of the NIP, and means that the driver cannot argue that he was not warned of the possibility of prosecution. They will always be asked to sign this.So in answer to the question, there is no requirement for the NIP to have anybody's signature on it. The SUMMONS that may then follow must be properly signed and served, but that is a totally separate issue...

you will get a ticket if they clocked your speed.

the operator has to be pulling the trigger at the time' date=' if they were sitting having a cup of coffee you wont have been caught.

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According to the ACPO guidelines ,they're supossed to "form an opinion that you were exceeding the limit " - but stories abound about the camera being left on "auto",set at 10%+2 (don't know whether that's possible ) .

Either way - time to watch the letterbox for the next few days ,(14 I believe ,after that check for violation of the service rule ), but if out of date ,believe that you still have to name names or get done for failing to grass .

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong. ‘Corroboration’ is a vital element in speeding cases - in other words to secure a conviction for speeding there must be two separate pieces of evidence each backing the other up. This is usually someone’s opinion backed up by the reading on the ‘speed-reading device’. In Court this would go something like this – “I saw the vehicle approach and formed the opinion that it was exceeding the speed limit” (first piece of evidence). “I then checked the ‘speed-reading device’ that read ??? mph” (second piece of evidence).

In theory, two pedestrians witnessing the same speeding event (and without any form of electronic device) can each corroborate each other’s opinion and succeed in Court, but this is extremely unlikely.

In the case of static speed cameras there should also be grid lines painted on the road surface a set distance apart and two pictures are taken with a one second interval, thus making it possible to work out the speed.

Mac

Edited 15 March, 200917 yr by Bigw2069
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85mph in a 70mph - youll probably get 3 pts and a £60 fine i seem to recall that its roughly as below. although im sure someone much more clued up will be better equiped to say. therea a lot of debate about the 10% + 2mph rule.. im sure half the police forces dont stick to it and its really up to whether theyve had their 2 weatabix that morning. technically 71 is speeding if you get an policeman who got one on him.

70 - 78 - ingored - provided that your not driving like a ****

78- 85 - 3 poitns / £60

86 - 95 3/6 points + £x - possible dangerous driving charge (if driving like a ****) + potential ban

96 + dangerous driving + ban

provided youve got no other points your insurance company really isnt gonna give a monkeys about 3 points. as above. wait the 14 days, you might be a lucky boy. otherwise. drag it out as much as you can. request the photo, ive heard about cases where thinking theyve got the prosectution, theyve chucked the photo. challenge everything, but dont be surprised if you end up loosing. sorry