Have been following this for a while. Last I read it was going to be available March/April.

Is that the case has anyone gotten one already. If so what sort of increases are you getting.

Concidentally, I had an e-mail from Superchips about an hour ago saying:

"We are close to completing our development. The bluefin works on our simulator and we now just need to make the final tests, to check that the bluefin communicates with the car."

So I guess it's 'Watch this space for imminent announcement of first fitting'?

Concidentally, I had an e-mail from Superchips about an hour ago saying:

"We are close to completing our development. The bluefin works on our simulator and we now just need to make the final tests, to check that the bluefin communicates with the car."

So I guess it's 'Watch this space for imminent announcement of first fitting'?

I got this from Superchips:

Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding a Superchips bluefin for your Volkswagen turbo diesel.

Bluefin development is nearing completion, and we will soon need to see cars here for testing.

If you are within reach of us here in Buckingham, would you be willing to bring your car when we need to see it? If so, please reconfirm your contact details and what model variant you have. We would give you a discount of 10% off the normal price of £435, and free power runs (normally £57.50).

Thanks for updates. Hopefully will be available in the not too distant future.

I wouldn't mind being one of the early testers (although they don't appear to be offering much of a discount for this), but as I don't live in the UK it will not be an option

Yeah i got the same email. Bit far for me to travel at the moment and too phooking expensive for now :rotz:

Ditto

I got the e-mail too

still a crazy price :thumbdwn:

best value for money "so far" are the PTorque and Awesome IMHO @ 295 and 299

Edited 1 May, 200917 yr by inexeng
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Superchips figures are very different for the PD 170 and the CR 170

I know the CR is for the TT but its basically the same CR engine IIRC

Superchips had told me that they have an Audi A3 170 CR coming in today (Friday 1 May) on one of their trial offers and that the figures for that will then be available on their website. I guess those results will be the most relevant for the Octy?

Superchips had told me that they have an Audi A3 170 CR coming in today (Friday 1 May) on one of their trial offers and that the figures for that will then be available on their website. I guess those results will be the most relevant for the Octy?

What difference does the car make. If it's the same engine it shouldn't make a difference.

What difference does the car make. If it's the same engine it shouldn't make a difference.

You're probably right! I guess I was thinking of the original mapping, which of course becomes irrelevant.

In the light of their comment to me in an e-mail about their getting to work on an A3 170bhp CR today, I've just been digging about a bit on the Superchips website ....

For VW and Skoda, they only talk about results/options for a 170bhp turbo-diesel (2006 onwards). The quoted figures are:

BHP: before 170 .... after = +27 (ie 197)

NM: before 350 ... after = +77 (ie 427)

However, for Audi, when keying in A3, they now not only quote the same figures as above, but also: "A3 latest model - from Sep 2008 onwards.." . Figures are:

BHP: before 167 .... after = +40 (!!) (ie 208)

NM: before 350 ... after = + 50 (ie 400)

Now, I'm assuming from the dates that, by 'latest model' they mean the CR, whereas the '2006 onwards' is the PD. So - excellent news with regard to power potential on the CR, but I'm puzzled as to why the torque increase would be less than on the PD. I'm not a mech eng, but I wasn't aware that there was a trade off. Personally, I'd be looking to maximise torque rather than power, but however. All in all (and assuming this is the CR they're talking about), the package sounds enticing, since my engine's a CR. Any experts out there like to comment on these figures?

In the light of their comment to me in an e-mail about their getting to work on an A3 170bhp CR today, I've just been digging about a bit on the Superchips website ....

For VW and Skoda, they only talk about results/options for a 170bhp turbo-diesel (2006 onwards). The quoted figures are:

BHP: before 170 .... after = +27 (ie 197)

NM: before 350 ... after = +77 (ie 427)

However, for Audi, when keying in A3, they now not only quote the same figures as above, but also: "A3 latest model - from Sep 2008 onwards.." . Figures are:

BHP: before 167 .... after = +40 (!!) (ie 208)

NM: before 350 ... after = + 50 (ie 400)

Now, I'm assuming from the dates that, by 'latest model' they mean the CR, whereas the '2006 onwards' is the PD. So - excellent news with regard to power potential on the CR, but I'm puzzled as to why the torque increase would be less than on the PD. I'm not a mech eng, but I wasn't aware that there was a trade off. Personally, I'd be looking to maximise torque rather than power, but however. All in all (and assuming this is the CR they're talking about), the package sounds enticing, since my engine's a CR. Any experts out there like to comment on these figures?

Don't be fooled by the headline +bhp and +Nm that Superchips quote as this is not the gain at the max. It is the max gain wherever it come in the rev range.

What I mean to say is that if OE max power is 167 @ 4,200rpm remaped is not (necessarily) +40bhp i.e. 207bhp max. It could be that the max gain was from 132 bhp increased to 172 bhp @ (say) 3,250rpm.

If that makes sense.

To give a definitive example; my PD170 was Bluefin'd and rolling roaded by Superchips and is quoted with a max gain of +28bhp @ 4313rpm; except the the gain in my Max bhp was from 187 bhp (@4143rpm) to 210 bhp (@ 4458rpm) - a gain of 23 bhp. QED.

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If that makes sense.

Yes it does, thankyou!

But:

i) I'm still puzzled as to why the gain in torque for the 'latest model' is so much less than for the older one

ii) I was looking for someone to confirm that Superchips are indeed talking about the PD and CR respectively.

Edited 1 May, 200917 yr by youngbaz

...The gain in my Max bhp was from 187 bhp (@4143rpm) to 210 bhp (@ 4458rpm) - a gain of 23 bhp. QED.

Hang on ... what was your PD170 doing at 187 in the first place? This was presumably after you'd implemented other tweaks but prior to the Bluefinning?

Baz

Another strange thing with the newer CR TDi is the redline

On ours MY08 the redline is the same as the PD which is 4500rpm IIRC

But if you check out the new facelift dash the same engine but the redline is 5000rpm :confused:

pardon me if I'm wrong

Hang on ... what was your PD170 doing at 187 in the first place? This was presumably after you'd implemented other tweaks but prior to the Bluefinning?

I think I may just have a 'healthy' engine but I also had a K&N 57i intake kit fitted and was running on Shell VPower with a double dose of Millers Diesel Sport 4.

However, I somehow feel that I shot myself in the foot on this as Superchips then decided to be conservative with the mapping and limited my increases; as they didn't want to cause any DPF or exhaust gas temperature problems.

If I had reverted to OE airbox and used regular diesel I may have been at 170 - 175bhp that would have been remapped to 200-205bhp; which with then refitting the K&N plus good fuel map now be giving me 215+ bhp (but perhaps with DPF problems?).

Who know; but either way I'm happy with my lot.

Well apparently the Bluefin is now ready for the CR TDi 170

Still overpriced IMHO

Who will be the first to buy ???

Don't be fooled by the headline +bhp and +Nm that Superchips quote as this is not the gain at the max. It is the max gain wherever it come in the rev range.

What I mean to say is that if OE max power is 167 @ 4,200rpm remaped is not (necessarily) +40bhp i.e. 207bhp max. It could be that the max gain was from 132 bhp increased to 172 bhp @ (say) 3,250rpm.

If that makes sense.

To give a definitive example; my PD170 was Bluefin'd and rolling roaded by Superchips and is quoted with a max gain of +28bhp @ 4313rpm; except the the gain in my Max bhp was from 187 bhp (@4143rpm) to 210 bhp (@ 4458rpm) - a gain of 23 bhp. QED.

Very good point !!

My Mercedes diesel had a Van Aakken tuning box fitted i had some free time on the dyno so did a before and after run

The car was an auto so it wasnt easy to get accurate data from it as full throttle without the car wanting to kick down was difficult hence the dips at lower rpm but it demonstrates you point exactly

The peak HP figure is more of less the same but the gains midrange were impressive (would have been more so if we couldve hit full throttle earlier) on the road the difference was considerably making 0-60 and overtaking much more enjoyable

Well apparently the Bluefin is now ready for the CR TDi 170

Still overpriced IMHO

Who will be the first to buy ???

Where did you find this information?

On the bluefin's website, there's no info related to Common Rail.

Regards,

Where did you find this information?

On the bluefin's website, there's no info related to Common Rail.

Regards,

Still see nothing on website either but if just newly available then maybe they don't keep site fully up to date.

Must drop them a mail to find out for definate.

They sent me an e-mail

try looking at the Audi TT Turbo-Diesel

It's the same engine IIRC

Well apparently the Bluefin is now ready for the CR TDi 170

Still overpriced IMHO

Who will be the first to buy ???

Agree it is a bit overprice when compared to P-Torque etc, but not so much when you look a Revo & Jabbasport.

I would pick those over bluefin also if I were in a position to get to them realtively easily, but as i'm not bluefin is the best alternative.

I phoned Bluefin yesterday and they said it wasn't available for the 170 CR yet... but would be soon

I phoned Bluefin yesterday and they said it wasn't available for the 170 CR yet... but would be soon

Curious. I had an email from them an hour ago in response to this query:

I have a Skoda Octavia II RS with the 2.0 TDI CR DPF 170PS engine and DSG.

I notice that you now have a Bluefin unit for the Audi A3 with the same

engine. Would that work in my car also?

And the reply:

Yes we can modify this car on the bluefin system and you can purchase

this through {local retailer's name}

See A3 spec here:

bluefin - Is bluefin available for my car? PLUG-IN AND GO.

Note the Bluefin part description on the dyno map: VAG 2.0 TDI CR 170PS

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Not my usual sign in as chipping voids my warranty in {my country} (well that's what VAG reckons anyway) and my dealer reads these forums... :confused:

I've checked again and you are correct - the Bluefin is available for the Audi and Skoda but not the VW. That was the confusion.