Hi.. Have a diesel vrs here with 4k on it after 4 months of owning it. Lastnight when parked up and after the turbo timer did its magic and knocked itself off i heard the fan racing on it. i thought thats odd but never thought anything of it

Today look at the fuel guage, and it had 3/4 of a tank and i filled it up 100k ago.. so then i thought thats odd. i got out after it was heated up, and smelled the un burned diesel from the engine and nothiced the fan was racing... took it for another lil spin and noticed when i put my foot on the break the fuel delivery shoots up and then settles. its ment to cut completly when break is applied as on most common rail diesel engines.

Anyone hear of any problems like this... it will be getting lifted back to the dealers tomorrow!!

strange....:confused:

Fan could well be the ac or rad cooling.

Other problem may just be as simple as a detached vac / intercooler hose.

Right so skoda has had the car since 11 o clock today and not a word. So i take it they are as lost as i am. A pipe of the intercooler or vac pipe would bring the torque/ power levels way down, i didnt mention that the power was still there so ye i dont think its that.

I reckon an injector is the problem, the unit injectors in common rails are a problem in all cars and trucks. There was some white smoke, unburned diesel and the little retaining spring on these type of injector are common to go. But i dunno why the hell the fan is racing...!?

Right so the injector pipes from the high pressure fuel rail(common rail) is weaping apperently. Its not bad so skoda say.... Em 80k out of a quarter of a tank :eek2: WEEP???? He said its ok to drive, i said safe to drive, look where the turbo is( which is directly underneath ) and he said diesel doesnt burn, look i'll show you with my lighter.

So long story short im a diesel mechanic, so you cant pull the wool over my eyes.

Turbo temp from 800c-1100c on standard car and diesel fuel burns at around 700c in the engine so hummmm.. do the maths

Oh and they wont give us a car while they have ours:thumbdwn:

If the car is within warranty, you should get a courtesy car! Bad form that!

They said skoda ireland didnt approve.. there the people who supply the garages with the cars

Poor show. 4 month old car? Courtesy car is the least they can do for you. Moan till they agree!

They said skoda ireland didnt approve.. there the people who supply the garages with the cars

Thats horse dung! Roughly translated, the dealer is a tight git. I used to get a courtesy car from the local dealer in Mayo foc even when I had mine in for a service, let alone warranty work. They must have no interest in encouraging repeat customers!

Turbo timer - did you fit this yourself then as that isn't standard

Re unit injectors, that is a PD thing, the CR system just has straight injectors all fed from the CR pump.

Turbo timer - did you fit this yourself then as that isn't standard

Re unit injectors, that is a PD thing, the CR system just has straight injectors all fed from the CR pump.

No it has a clifford alarm and turbo timer as the skoda/ vw security system can be bypassed quite easily, thats coming from a lad who worked very high up in the technical part of vw.

The cr is fed from a pump to the rail.... its called common rail cause the injectors recieve the fuel from one( common ) rail. the rail has 4 high pressure outlets (pipes) to each injector and the second outlet is leaking.

No it has a clifford alarm and turbo timer as the skoda/ vw security system can be bypassed quite easily, thats coming from a lad who worked very high up in the technical part of vw.

The cr is fed from a pump to the rail.... its called common rail cause the injectors recieve the fuel from one( common ) rail. the rail has 4 high pressure outlets (pipes) to each injector and the second outlet is leaking.

I already understand the CR system thanks.

As for the clifford alarm, since that plugs into the cars electronics then I can see why a dealer might not want to touch it. It could well be the alarm causing issues since it can override the ignition etc.

We were told befor we bought it that it wont interfere with the warrenty.

Anything that means tampering with the cars original wiring loom will void the warranty. Only OEM components should be fitted, clifford alarms are not oem components. Turbo timers make the car less secure and because of the way they work need to be connected to the fuel supply and ignition system, hence why I can see why the dealer is not interested.

Im not sure Normal Turbo timers are meant for Diesels.

Pretty sure you need a specific type for Diesels

I could be wrong though.

Carl:thumbup:

Well id say you are wrong. The sales man actually told us that the new skoda octavia tdi's will be coming with an optional turbo timer in the near future.

Also the car has been fixed (under warrenty) but still having problems with the dealer. His initial report said '' the diesel was weeping from the injector'' which later changed to '' the diesel is coming from the pipe from the fuel rail to the injector'' and now.......... wait for it '' the seal on the injector was gone and it was infact oil coming up from the engine and thats what i saw on the top of the engine''.

Now im a diesel mechanic, and i know what diesel looks like believe it or not and ive told him this twice and yet he still tries to change the facts every time i challange him. Skoda Ireland have now got involved.

Also they have done some work to the car which thay have not told us about...

Can someone send me a pic of their turbo and there injectors on a common rail diesel vrs please (from top of the engine)

Thanks will keep youz updated

Anything that means tampering with the cars original wiring loom will void the warranty. Only OEM components should be fitted, clifford alarms are not oem components. Turbo timers make the car less secure and because of the way they work need to be connected to the fuel supply and ignition system, hence why I can see why the dealer is not interested.

We have it in writing from the garage that it would not effect the warranty.. so it does not bother me either way

The sales man actually told us that the new skoda octavia tdi's will be coming with an optional turbo timer in the near future

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We were told befor we bought it that it wont interfere with the warrenty.

By Clifford fitters or by Skoda.

If it's from skoda I hope you got it in writing as anything that isn't OEM and gets plugged in would IMHO have the manufacturer wash their hands of it.

At the end of the day the turbo timer is overriding ECU, ignition and other functions such as the immobiliser to allow the car to run on when it shouldn't. That's a lot to be playing with and if I was skoda I would personally tell you where to go (Back to the clifford fitter).

To be fair I don't even see the need for a turbo timer on an Octavia VRS derv and if you're worried I'd just do the last minute of the drive off boost.

Anyway, good luck getting it all sorted, but I feel it may well cost you a lot of money unless you can pin it on the fitter of the turbo timer.

Out of interest who fitted the turbo timer? Was it the skoda dealer or another garage?

By Clifford fitters or by Skoda.

If it's from skoda I hope you got it in writing as anything that isn't OEM and gets plugged in would IMHO have the manufacturer wash their hands of it.

Yes from skoda

At the end of the day the turbo timer is overriding ECU, ignition and other functions such as the immobiliser to allow the car to run on when it shouldn't. That's a lot to be playing with and if I was skoda I would personally tell you where to go (Back to the clifford fitter).

Its on the mechanical side.. not an electrical problem .

To be fair I don't even see the need for a turbo timer on an Octavia VRS derv and if you're worried I'd just do the last minute of the drive off boost.

Turbo timers actually do the job, boost or no boost for the last min of a turbo diesel engine they are very effective, i have actually asked a vw engineer who used to look after technical problems all over the country and even helped in the build of the vw beetle who is now a collage lecturer and he has always said that they wont cause any negative problems. also i know of a turbo going on a vw at 50k and the reason was not allowing the turbo to cool down

Anyway, good luck getting it all sorted, but I feel it may well cost you a lot of money unless you can pin it on the fitter of the turbo timer.

??????? Read the post my friend

Out of interest who fitted the turbo timer? Was it the skoda dealer or another garage?

An authorised clifford dealer

An authorised clifford dealer

Whoops!

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I think your Skoda warranty is void. The warranty you have may well be for the Clifford system, not the remainder of the car.

Steve

Whoops!

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I think your Skoda warranty is void. The warranty you have may well be for the Clifford system, not the remainder of the car.

Steve

Skoda just fixed the car under warrenty so explain that.. oh ad they had to ring clifford for the alarm code so they do know about it

You are lucky. What was the problem?

Steve

lucky boy....Skoda Irl would have the perfect excuse to run a mile from the car due to the aftermarket turbo timer 'hacking' into the OEM engine management....havent seen a road car in a long time running an aftermarket turbo timer, reminds me of the old skool cosworth stuff or the even older un-intercooled Saab's from the early 80's! Cant rember any road car having a turbo timer fitted OEM and have never before seen a derv car running one...

I thought Turbo Timers were illegal!