Jon is right, if you get a map that the standard clutch can cope with better, the money saved on a uprated clutch and inturn less 40lb.ft could be spent on suspension/handling mods, which will no doubt make the car actually faster than the 40lb.ft in the first place, nevermind alot safer!

Id view the clutch after a remap as a part that WILL fail, so just enjoy the map until it does bugger up and once it does, uprate.

Several years later you will be running 0-60 runs in 5.0 seconds and SQM in 13.5 whilst hitting terminal speeds off 103mph+ across the line for stats, its a slippy (well not thanks to the A.T.B. diff) slope

I've got 334lb of torque thru a standard gearbox and DMF. Been running this since March, don't have any problems with it, but then I don't boot it below 2000rpm and never boot it in 6th.

Nice sig. picture picture of St. Andrews there!

Are you running a standard clutch also? Who did the remapping?

Hi Boots.

I couldn't recommend P-Torque enough. Will did a great job on mine. Very friendly and would hesitate using him again. The map is very smooth, it completely transformed my car. There isnt as much kick as the standard map, but you feel much more power at about 3k all the way up to 4.5. Top gear DVD's whilst you wait too, cant be bad.

I put the Green Cotton and PD160 on about 2 months before. with the map it helps it breath a bit better, and it provides better figures, not by much though. I didnt really notice the difference, bar it being a louder. It is a must though. Most people will agree with me there.

Yes it would be nice to have the extra 40 lb/ft, just think is it worth it, you may aswell spend that money on brakes/suspension. My clutch is fine, still had no issues. made 300 lb/ft, which in my eyes is more than enough.

Also I do get a bit of black smoke when giving it some, I quite like it.

Thanks for the reply mate!

I really would like a remap because as you say I imagine it would transform the car, I've had the car for a year now and its standard so think it would be money well spent!

I appreciate what your saying about the intake mod's, £100 or so does seem quite a lot of money though for what is essentially a plastic pipe haha!

Did you have any concerns about clutches before having yours remapped? If so did Will satisfy these? I see you had yours done on 90,000 miles, guess I shouldn't worry so much on 29,000 miles lol.

My car is due a service actually this month so would people reccomend having that done before remapping or does it not matter? Also, how much diesel do you need for the rollers?

Thanks alot Boots. x

Right Boots, I got a PD160 and a green cotton filter as well, fitted those before I had the map. I had the map done at Awesome in Manchester. Yes it's a standard clutch (meant that, not gearbox????) and the Car was 3 years old with 32,000 miles when I had it done.

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Hi Boots

As I recently had a remap at P-Torque also i thought I'd add my tuppence.

I would agree with VRS Goldie Jon, in recommmending P-Torque, Will did a great job on my Fabia and I'm really happy with it.

In terms of transforming the car, it really depends how you drive it. As Jon said, there isn't a bigger kick at around 2K rpm although I would disagree with him that it is less than standard. It's more that there is so much more torque and power later in the rev range (about 2800rpm is where it really kicks in mine). 295.5lb/ft @ 2785rpm and 171.2bhp @ 3928rpm are the actual figures.

What this all means when you're driving it is that if your just cruising (upto about 75mph in 6th) it doesn't feel that different. But whenever you go above about 2250rpm the torque and power really ramps up and you find yourself going much quicker than before the remap.

I got the PD160 intake (just under £80 from SEAT dealer in Leicester) and Pipercross foam panel filter done just before the remap, was an easy job to fit both myself (about 20 mins) although the PD160 is a bit of a tight squeeze. Just search the forums and you will find a guide to fitting, or look on here fabia-vrs.com - The Comprehensive Fabia vRS Resource Site in the Technical Info section. Whether it is required is debatable, but I reckon it cetainly helps the engine to breathe better higher up the rev range.

It might be worth getting a service first just to make sure that everything is running well, I didn't due to time constraints but mine is due a service soon. Will does an engine diagnostic test before the rolling road and remap anyway so you'll know if there are any problems.

You don't need a significant amount of fuel for the rolling road, it won't be on there for all that long.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the clutch, as long as you don't floor it below about 2k rpm you should be fine. Just make sure you are in the right gear for what you are trying to do, if you want to overtake quick, don't leave it 6th. Obvious stuff really. I think the Ibiza 160 has the same clutch and has similar power to mine, it's just the extra torque. General consensus is that the standard clutch can handle 300lb/ft as long as you treat it properly, as above.

If you can, try to get in on a Group Buy at P-Torque to get it even cheaper. Even without that, the service Will provides is good value if you ask me.

Hi

Didnt have any worries, I went with a friend who had a Leon PD130, his came out with a hint of clutch slip, mine didnt. Will was very good with this. Gave advice on how to look after it, dont boot it where it is, work you're driving style around the slip. 29k and your engine wont have bedded in yet. So no need to worry

I thought before hand if the clutch slips the clutch slips. 90,000 on the original clutch, now it wont be long before it starts going, but in the mean time i'm saving up for Coilovers and a rear ARB.

I would get the service done before the map, especially with the oil change/filters. I think the £100 on the performance air filter and PD160 is worth it, the PD160 is something Skoda should have put on, same with the console bushes (cupra's). Get these done, and a Stage 1 from Will. I think its about £265 with Briskoda discount (around that amount) Money well spent in my eyes. Then spend the money on the clutch for new suspension, as T spark says, it will feel much faster on uprated suspension.

As for amount of Diesel, it doesnt really matter, just make sure you've got enough for the way home. Very enjoyable.

As for the torque answer above, I think the kick at 2k is less than the standard (not much), but you get the shove like a petrol, where you just see the speedo flying up. Clarkson said it best "its like being hit with a wrecking ball", but now its like being hit with a "swing ball", but much quicker lol.

Thanks for the recommendations guys.

As mentioned, the P-Torque stage 1 is developed around the standard transmission, so its very smooth, intentially developed to avoid clutch killing torque spikes at lower revs, and also hold power out up to high revs.

We offer various other stages of tune up to 240hp and 365lbs/ft torque, however this requires alot more work, similar to that of T.Sparks.

Examples are:

P-Torque Stage 1 - Remap only - 170hp and 290lbs/ft toruqe

P-Torque Stage 2 - Remap + Sachs performance clutch upgrade - 180hp and 325lbs/ft

P-Torque Stage 3 - Remap, Intercooler, Hybrid Turbo, Exhaust, Uprated Clutch etc - 230 - 240hp and 360 - 370lbs/ft torque

Thanks for all the answers guys. Very helpful!

What is the current price for just a stage 1 remap? Is there any group buys going that anyone knows of?

Also, presumably you have to book an appointment for the remap, is their much of a waiting list?

Hi

Our stage 1 remap is �265.00 all in with members discount. This includes engine diagnostics checks, and dyno power runs before and after.

We have no group buys planned, as we only finished one a few weeks back this year.

Once you have some suitable dates and times in mind, just contact us at [email protected] and we will get you in at a time that suits you

There ya go, get it booked, jobs a gooden

Where abouts are you based Boots?

Hinckley in Leicestershire...

If you want someone really local, I think R-Tech are near you in Hinckley Skoda Remap, Skoda ECU Remap, R-tech Remap

But I don't know how good they are, haven't really read anything about them here on Briskoda. If I were you, I'd go to Will @ P-torque, you know you will get a good job from him and it's only up the M6 and round a bit from you. I'm in Leicester and thought it was well worth making the trip.

Up to you really, but P-Torque definitely get my vote!

I emailed one R-Tech asking about what sort of figures they would be happy remapping to and they said around 170bhp and 270lb/ft because they could remap up to 320lb/ft+ however such torque in such a small car would be "un-insurable" in the wet...

No mention was given to clutch and other parts being limited, more emphasis was made of insurance considerations lol. They are cheap though at �250 for before and after dyno's as well as remapping.

How local were you Gilesharmer?

Sorry make that £200 for stage 1, £350 for custom and £35 for before and after dyno's.

Quite a saving..!

Its worth bearing in mind that when it comes to remaps, don't just go for best price

Its worth bearing in mind that when it comes to remaps, don't just go for best price

Good point well made, although any slight incentive could be enough to sway me...

What's the point of having a car you can't boot below 2000 rpm? They were built to be driven? lol

Saying that, I always warm mine up and cool it down properly, and rarely floor it under 2000 rpm!

My Ibiza had a good strong map and was running 170 bhp and 300 lb/ft, standard clutch etc for 50k miles on remap...

As I said, I'm in Leicester, about 60 miles from P-Torque, but I thought it was well worth the drive over there due to everything I'd read on here about the good work Will has done.

Remember it's not all about the peak power and torque figures, but how they are delivered that really matters. This is where P-Torque got it spot in my opinion, especially if you want to help to preserve your clutch. The power is there is you want it, but if you want to take it easy then you can.

I have done 20K on my P-Torque remap with some very hard driving. RR made 170bhp and 295lbs. No clutch slip or turbo problems. Lovely smooth curve of power and miles better to drive than swimbo 1.8 t passat in every way

I drove down from North Wales to go to Will at P-Torque. 2 1/2 hours, and I would go again.

when you say you cant floor it bellow 2k is than not only in 5th gear ?? or is that for all gears ??

when you say you cant floor it bellow 2k is than not only in 5th gear ?? or is that for all gears ??

All gears? Torque is torque, no matter what gear your in :confused:

All gears? Torque is torque, no matter what gear your in :confused:

very true, but the stress it places on certain parts of the transmission varies with engine/vehicle speed