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Is my 04 Fabia vRS a lemon?

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I purchased my vRS in December 04. December 07 at 122,000 km it suffered engine failure as follows: Stuck valve that wore a lobe off the cam shaft requiring new cam shaft, valves, injectors D.M.F. and clutch. Off the road for 8 weeks. No cost to me.

December 08 at 146,000 km it suffered engine failure as follows: Inhaled a nut left in the top of the engine from previous rebuild that broke a valve and damaged a piston. Engine rebuild. New DMF. Off the road for 8 weeks. No cost to me.

December 09. 176,000 km: DMF disintergrated. New DMF and clutch. Off road for 4 weeks. No cost to me.

The car has now done 186,000 km. 10,000 km of trouble free motoring!! In spite of the history it is still the most efficient car I have ever owned.

Engine failure number one, very rare. Engine failure number two ,caused by idiot mechanic leaving nuts laying about. Clutch and DMF failure rare, if you don't boot it below 2,000 RPM. The only lemon I can see is the garage that did the first rebuild.

December 09. 176,000 km: DMF disintergrated. New DMF and clutch. Off road for 4 weeks. No cost to me.

I want to know who provides your warranty :o

DADDY?

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I want to know who provides your warranty :o

New Zealand consumer protection laws are based on the premises of "fitness for purpose" and "reasonable expectation". Skoda N.Z. initially agreed to pay for the parts but not the labour on the latest DMF failure. They subsequently agreed that when the fly wheel disintergrates the car is not "fit for purpose" and that it is "reasonable to expect" that a fly wheel will not fail at 40,000 km. They paid parts and labour and will continue to do so as long as key components do not last the reasonably expected lifespan of their cars.

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DADDY?

Not DADDY.

Inhaled a nut
ROFL :rofl:

It might be a lemon but you got one hell of a warranty not the kind of "consumer protection" we get over here!

Sounds like it was ragged to death before you bought it.

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Sounds like it was ragged to death before you bought it.

I bought it brand new!

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' date='07 January 2010 - 11:18' timestamp='1262819903' post='1853232']

ROFL :rofl:

It might be a lemon but you got one hell of a warranty not the kind of "consumer protection" we get over here!

The basis of NZ Consumer Protection as pertaining to motor vehicles. http://www.consumeraffairs.govt.nz/consumerinfo/motorvehicles/mv-problems/faultymv-pre-15-Dec.html

This trumps all manufacturers warranties and removes any reason to purchase warranties.

surely more than 100,000 miles on a clutch and DMF should be acceptable under any law, and considered normal wear and tear. After all both items are considered consumable items.

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We have the same consumer protection laws in the UK but no car company here seems to take notice of them.

I think car companies and especially 2nd hand car dealers are financially viable only because most people are ignorant of their rights under consumer protection laws.

Wish we did have NZ warrantys and they were honoured by U.K dealerships.

Here's the trouble i've had, and still nothing as been rectified by Skoda themselves!

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/116780-clutch-warranty-work-warning-dealer-trys-it-on/page__p__1579811entry1579811

This Countrys a blooming laughing stock!

My car has now got 25,500 Miles on the clock, the original dealership i had this trouble with has now gone bust :rofl:

It has been taken to another dealer 3 times for this juddering, but all i've had is excuses, ranging from.

"We cannot find nothing wrong"

"This is a characteristic of Diesel cars"

"We noticed the shudder, but Skoda UK would never supply or pay us to fit another second clutch"

All im doing now is to wait for the clutch to finally pop it clogs, then i will pay a decent garage to fit all the required parts, to cure the car of its ill's, all it needs is:-

1x DMF, 1x pressure plate, 1x release bearing, 1x clutch plate set.

The car is just out of its warranty, so chances are if i took it to a dealers now, they would find the faults. So it will be a nice chargeable job. Only £800 B)

The warranty in the uk is not worth the paper it's written on!

P.S All this moaning im doing, but funny enough during these last freezing cold snowy days, the clutch as not juddered at all !!!! :o

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surely more than 100,000 miles on a clutch and DMF should be acceptable under any law, and considered normal wear and tear. After all both items are considered consumable items.

I agree that it is reasonable to expect to replace wearing parts at around 160,000 km. My car has gone through three DMFs. The car is very reasonable on other wearing parts. It's still on original brake pads.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect me to pay ongoing large sums of money to replace parts that fail because they are not up to lasting the reasonably expected life span of the car. If a manufacturer chooses to put a car on the market that is not fit for purpose because of design flaws then the manufacturer needs to cover the cost of keeping it fit for purpose. By marketing a car with obvious ongoing component failure Skoda are putting the cost of research and development onto Skoda owners unless they (Skoda) are offered the opportunity to cover the cost.

IF it is pre 04 it is Lemon post 04 Sprint Yellow :-)

National

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IF it is pre 04 it is Lemon post 04 Sprint Yellow :-)

National

Hee Hee

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