Calling all 170 DI SMOC,

could you tell me what engine codes you have got with your Monsters if possible please.

Why am I asking well JonA kindly printed a list of engine codes as follows

170 Pre WK 45 CEGA

170 Post WK45 CFJA

Tonight though I have been looking at a very useful post on official Skoda approved rim and tyre sizes and ratings (to be edited into the Guide) from magic62 in Germany and the CFJA code is not listed but CFHF is, along with all the other code given by JonA.

So I am interested to see what you guys have actually got.

Should be on the build sticker in the service book or not sure outside UK but here you will find the info in your DVLA V5C as part of the variant code in section 4.

Many thanks,

TP

Mine is CEGA but was supposed have been built Wk45.

Is there an easy way to suss out the actual build date or is it only dealers that can access that information?

Mine is CEGA but was supposed have been built Wk45.

Is there an easy way to suss out the actual build date or is it only dealers that can access that information?

Strange that having the pre 45 code, now there's one for Holmes & Watson but probably quicker to speak to James. Mine came up with the 14/10/09 when asked.

Otherwise the Chassis number gives some info and there is a decoder My link similar to option code decoder. With my security head on mind not sure putting your VIN into an ambiguous web site is a good idea.

Good old Wiki My link has some info and from that I have sussed mines a Model Year 2010 and it's From a Czech manufacture

Having looked round my Monster I have noticed a lot of numbers stamped on things that look remarkably like Week & Year build numbers, tyres defiantly have this, mine are something like 3809 so week 38 2009. Seen very similar numbers on body panels A/C cooler (4209) and what look like actual dates on rubber hoses such as air con system.

If your Monster was built WK45 then possibly early on with the transition taking place during the latter part as stocks of the earlier engine were used up maybe.

TP

Edited 13 January, 201016 yr by The Plumber

Come to think of it, I think mine was built post Wk45 - it kept changing. Firstly it was Wk45 (which was when CR170 UK production was supposed to start), then Wk43 and then it slipped to Wk48. Wk48 tied in with the info that Allams received that it had actually been built but that was when the Skoda tracking system disappeared to the dark side of the moon... I'll enquire.

Calling all 170 DI SMOC,

could you tell me what engine codes you have got with your Monsters if possible please.

Why am I asking well JonA kindly printed a list of engine codes as follows

170 Pre WK 45 CEGA

170 Post WK45 CFJA

Tonight though I have been looking at a very useful post on official Skoda approved rim and tyre sizes and ratings (to be edited into the Guide) from magic62 in Germany and the CFJA code is not listed but CFHF is, along with all the other code given by JonA.

So I am interested to see what you guys have actually got.

Should be on the build sticker in the service book or not sure outside UK but here you will find the info in your DVLA V5C as part of the variant code in section 4.

Many thanks,

TP

Hi Plumber, Re Engine Codes..... Ordered my 170 on 25 Sept. 2009. Was given Build Wk. 45. Collected 23 Dec.

My engine Code is CEGA.

As I understand it CEGA engines are PIEZO INJECTION activation.

CFJA are as Pumpe Dusse , ELECTRO MAGNETIC activation.

Does that tie up with your understanding?

What's the significance of the different types? I know there's interest out there on this subject but don't know why Skoda has apparently quickly reverted to "old " technology on post Wk. 45 builds. Is one type better / more reliable / more expensive etc ?

Looking forward to your and other replies.

4 WHEEL DRIVER

Calling all 170 DI SMOC,

could you tell me what engine codes you have got with your Monsters if possible please.

Why am I asking well JonA kindly printed a list of engine codes as follows

170 Pre WK 45 CEGA

170 Post WK45 CFJA

Tonight though I have been looking at a very useful post on official Skoda approved rim and tyre sizes and ratings (to be edited into the Guide) from magic62 in Germany and the CFJA code is not listed but CFHF is, along with all the other code given by JonA.

So I am interested to see what you guys have actually got.

Should be on the build sticker in the service book or not sure outside UK but here you will find the info in your DVLA V5C as part of the variant code in section 4.

Many thanks,

TP

Mine is CEGA, Build week 48.

I would be very surprised if any were PD engines - that would make no sense at all from production and homologation with different countries' type approvals.

So still a mystery then as all have the CEGA 170 engine, even those built after the magical WK45. Any more 170 owners your input would be useful.

Regard injection systems:

Both PD and early CR engines according to Bosch used solenoid valves to control injector operation. Later systems switched to piezo injectors as these work 5 times as quick as the solenoid injector.

My link

So if the CBDB 140 CR and CEGA 170 are piezo as we understand (Also listed on old Wiki as peiezo), then returning to the solenoid type on there replacements would appear strange. Peiezo reliability or cost cutting could be possible answers.

My link

Had a search round the internet but as yet found no info on these new engine codes, so over to any members in the VAG organisation who can enlighten us.

new codes:

CFHA TDI 110

CFHC TDI 140

CFJA TDI 170?

CFHF TDI 170?

Oh any TDI 140 owners reading this, do any of you have the CFHC engine? and when was she built?

Regards,

TP

So still a mystery then as all have the CEGA 170 engine, even those built after the magical WK45. Any more 170 owners your input would be useful.

Regard injection systems:

Both PD and early CR engines according to Bosch used solenoid valves to control injector operation. Later systems switched to piezo injectors as these work 5 times as quick as the solenoid injector.

My link

So if the CBDB 140 CR and CEGA 170 are piezo as we understand (Also listed on old Wiki as peiezo), then returning to the solenoid type on there replacements would appear strange. Peiezo reliability or cost cutting could be possible answers.

My link

Had a search round the internet but as yet found no info on these new engine codes, so over to any members in the VAG organisation who can enlighten us.

new codes:

CFHA TDI 110

CFHC TDI 140

CFJA TDI 170?

CFHF TDI 170?

Oh any TDI 140 owners reading this, do any of you have the CFHC engine? and when was she built?

Regards,

TP

It was the piezo electric injectors, which allowed high injection pressures over 1800 bar in the CR system. This was/is close enough to the 2300 bar in the PD injectors with solenoid control in the PD system, so it's a sae bet that all VAG commonrail engines now use piezo electric controls - no more solenoids. My understanding is that current piezo electric VAG injectors operate at 20000+ bar pressures. The 2300 bar PD injectors are more efficient from a pure combustion concern , but not as controllable as the CR system. Hence noisier and not as environmetally friendly.

Still haven't a scooby what my build week was

engine code on mine is CEGA

Still haven't a scooby what my build week was

engine code on mine is CEGA

Many thanks scunjee,

still not found a 170 then with the 'fabled' new engine.

TP

TP, Here is a copy of the VAG engine specifications from Wikipedia:

[edit] 2.0 TDI CR 16v 81-147kW

identification

parts code prefix: 03L; engine ID codes: CAGA, CAHA, CBAA, CBAB, CBBB, CBDB, CBDC, CEGA

engine configuration & engine displacement

inline four cylinder Turbocharged Direct Injection (TDI) turbodiesel; 1,968 cubic centimetres (120.1 cu in); bore x stroke: 81.0 by 95.5 millimetres (3.19 in × 3.76 in), stroke ratio: 0.85:1 - undersquare/long-stroke, 492.1 cc per cylinder, compression ratio: 18:1 (103kW), 16.5:1 (125kW)

cylinder block & crankcase

grey cast iron; five main bearings; die-forged steel crankshaft; fracture-split forged steel connecting rods, two counter-rotating gear-driven balance shafts turning at half crankshaft speed, Alcan or Federal-Mogul pistons, cast aluminium alloy oil sump

cylinder head & valvetrain

cast aluminium alloy; four valves per cylinder, 16 valves total, low-friction roller cam followers with automatic hydraulic valve clearance compensation, timing belt and gear-driven (relay method: belt drives exhaust camshaft from front of engine, inlet camshaft is driven at rear of engine by gear from exhaust camshaft) double overhead camshaft (DOHC)

aspiration

hot-film air mass meter, electronically regulated variable geometry turbocharger integrated into cast iron exhaust manifold, central front-mounted intercooler (FMIC)

aspiration (147kW)

twin registered turbochargers with different diameters[citation needed]

fuel system & engine management

low-pressure fuel tank mounted fuel lift pump with underfloor electric fuel relay pump, timing belt-driven high pressure injection pump delivering up to 1,850-bar (26,830 psi) pressure for the common rail (CR) fuel rail, multi-point direct injection (DI) with 8 nozzle output piezo fuel injectors; Bosch EDC 17 electronic engine control unit (ECU)

exhaust system

water-cooled exhaust gas recirculation (EGR), catalytic converter, diesel particulate filter (DPF)

DIN-rated motive power & torque outputs and engine ID codes

81 kilowatts (110 PS; 109 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 250 newton metres (184 ft·lbf) @ 1,500–2,500 rpm — CBDC

88 kilowatts (120 PS; 118 bhp) — SEAT Exeo

103 kilowatts (140 PS; 138 bhp) @ 3,750-4,150 rpm; 320 newton metres (236 ft·lbf) @ 1,750-2,800 rpm — CBAA, CBAB, CBDB

105 kilowatts (143 PS; 141 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 320 newton metres (236 ft·lbf) @ 1,750-2,500 rpm — Audi A4 (B8), Audi Q5, SEAT Exeo (CAGA: 12/08-present)

125 kilowatts (170 PS; 168 bhp) @ 4,200 rpm; 350 newton metres (258 ft·lbf) @ 1,750-2,500 rpm — CBBB Audi TT 2.0 TDI quattro, Audi A3 (8P); CEGA; SEAT Exeo (CAHA: 02/09-present) 132 kilowatts (179 PS; 177 bhp) @ 4,000 rpm; 400 newton metres (295 ft·lbf) @ 1,500-2,000 rpm — Volkswagen Transporter (T5) GP Biturbo

147 kilowatts (200 PS; 197 bhp) @ 4,400 rpm; 400 newton metres (295 ft·lbf) @ 2,500-3,000 rpm[citation needed]

applications

Audi TT Mk2 2.0 TDI quattro (CBBB: 06/08-05/10), Audi A3 Mk2 (8P) (CBBB: 07/08-), Audi B8 A4, Audi Q5, VW Golf Mk6, VW Jetta Mk5 TDI CleanDiesel (103 kW), VW Tiguan, VW Passat CC, Volkswagen Transporter (T5), SEAT Leon Mk2 (1P), SEAT Altea, SEAT Toledo Mk3 (5P), SEAT Exeo, Škoda Octavia Mk2 (1Z) (125 kW), Škoda Superb Mk2 (3T) (125 kW)

From the Wiki description of the Audi TT TDI Quattro:

Power comes from the new 2.0 litre Turbocharged Direct Injection (TDI) engine, now with 16 valves, double overhead camshaft (DOHC), 1,800-bar (26,110 psi) common rail fuel delivery and eight-hole piezo fuel injectors,[17][18] which produces a DIN-rated output of 125 kilowatts (170 PS; 168 bhp) at 4,200 revolutions per minute (rpm) and torque of 350 newton metres (258 ft·lbf) at 1,750 to 2,500 rpm.[17][18] It includes a six-speed manual transmission

It seems that the CEGA fits with what we got.

Thanks Agerbundsen,

Yes the CEGA engine was the first version of the 170 scheduled for the Yeti, possibly from Tiguan? Then JonA informed us from WK45 there were new versions of the diesel being released with new engine codes. For the 170 this would be CFJA.

What confused me though was information from magic62 on rim and tyre specifications. He posted an official Skoda Germany document from October 2009 which cross referenced rim and tyres against type, and engine code.

Edit My link

There are 3 pages on the Yeti,

page one (type approval 00 & 01) lists engine codes for the 1.8TSI & 140TDI only which ties in with these being the first engines available.

page two (type approval 02) lists all engine codes for the current engine line up including CEGA (5 in total)

page three (type approval 03) has the same codes as page two plus CFHC (new 140) and CFHF

There is no listing for CFJA, so my inquisitive mind got thinking is there a misprint in the German document, is there more than one new 170 engine if CFHF is also a 170 or was the information given to JonA a misprint.

I therefore thought I would ask you guys which engine is fitted to your Monster. As yet though all are CEGA, so has there been a change to an updated motor and if so when? As it would appear that the WK45 date doesn't hold water.

Regards,

TP

Edited 16 January, 201016 yr by The Plumber

I see that one version delivers 295 ft.lbsf @ 1,500-2,000 rpm of torque! Ours gets 258 ft.lbsf @ 1,750-2,500 rpm

Thanks Agerbundsen,

Yes the CEGA engine was the first version of the 170 scheduled for the Yeti, possibly from Tiguan? Then JonA informed us from WK45 there were new versions of the diesel being released with new engine codes. For the 170 this would be CFJA.

What confused me though was information from magic62 on rim and tyre specifications. He posted an official Skoda Germany document from October 2009 which cross referenced rim and tyres against type, and engine code.

Edit My link

There are 3 pages on the Yeti,

page one (type approval 00 & 01) lists engine codes for the 1.8TSI & 140TDI only which ties in with these being the first engines available.

page two (type approval 02) lists all engine codes for the current engine line up including CEGA (5 in total)

page three (type approval 03) has the same codes as page two plus CFHC (new 140) and CFHF

There is no listing for CFJA, so my inquisitive mind got thinking is there a misprint in the German document, is there more than one new 170 engine if CFHF is also a 170 or was the information given to JonA a misprint.

I therefore thought I would ask you guys which engine is fitted to your Monster. As yet though all are CEGA, so has there been a change to an updated motor and if so when? As it would appear that the WK45 date doesn't hold water.

Regards,

TP

Mine was ordered 4/11/09 , built wk 51and delivered 19/1/10. Engine code is CEGA.

regards

RP

Mine was ordered 4/11/09 , built wk 51and delivered 19/1/10. Engine code is CEGA.

regards

RP

Many thanks RP.

Still on the original 170 engine as of the end of the year then.

Edit

Also ask again, are there any TDI 140 owners who have a CFHC engine code as opposed to the CBDB.

Regards,

TP

Edited 24 January, 201016 yr by The Plumber

Need to improve my German mind you I have enough trouble with my own language

Anyway after reading (Google translating) some more info from Skoda Germany, it would appear that the CFHF engine code is a TDI 110.

So I can only assume that the CFHA is possibly 2wd and the CFHF is the 4x4 (or maybe the other way round :wonder: ). Can any TDI 110 owners confirm this (code letters will be on the black data plate on the drivers door pillar).

Regard the 170 there as yet appears to be no engine update; still using the CEGA.

Regards,

TP

Interesting thread this and perhaps I can offer some comments into the debate, not that I am up to speed on Engine Codes etc.

1. I thought the PD170 had Piezoelectric Injectors, compared to the PD140 that had ordinary (solenoid?) injectors. This enabled better injection which allowed for the power increase to 170bhp (168ps). I presume that these, piezo injectors have therefore been carried over into the CR170.

2. I was speaking with one of the guys at Superchips about 10 days ago and quizzed him about using the BlueFin I have, having had my PD170 remapped, and using it on a CR170 Yeti; on the basis that it, the Yeti, uses ostensibly (yeah, I know its CR not PD) the same engine. I was told 'sorry so, not possible'. The reason is that all VAG group cars (of this ilk) for the 2010 have new Bosch engine management system(computer) which does not allow remapping etc. through the diagnostic port (as BlueFin did). Superchips, and I presume all other tuners, have therefore had to go back to the drawing board for remapping; eek! Could it be that this engine management change has resulted in the change of engine codes?

Interesting thread this and perhaps I can offer some comments into the debate, not that I am up to speed on Engine Codes etc.

1. I thought the PD170 had Piezoelectric Injectors, compared to the PD140 that had ordinary (solenoid?) injectors. This enabled better injection which allowed for the power increase to 170bhp (168ps). I presume that these, piezo injectors have therefore been carried over into the CR170.

2. I was speaking with one of the guys at Superchips about 10 days ago and quizzed him about using the BlueFin I have, having had my PD170 remapped, and using it on a CR170 Yeti; on the basis that it, the Yeti, uses ostensibly (yeah, I know its CR not PD) the same engine. I was told 'sorry so, not possible'. The reason is that all VAG group cars (of this ilk) for the 2010 have new Bosch engine management system(computer) which does not allow remapping etc. through the diagnostic port (as BlueFin did). Superchips, and I presume all other tuners, have therefore had to go back to the drawing board for remapping; eek! Could it be that this engine management change has resulted in the change of engine codes?

Hi,

when JonA first posted that new engines were becoming available he did mention that they would have a new ECU but there was I think some confusion over injectors as to whether they were going back to solenoid type.

TP

Interesting thread this and perhaps I can offer some comments into the debate, not that I am up to speed on Engine Codes etc.

1. I thought the PD170 had Piezoelectric Injectors, compared to the PD140 that had ordinary (solenoid?) injectors. This enabled better injection which allowed for the power increase to 170bhp (168ps). I presume that these, piezo injectors have therefore been carried over into the CR170.

2. I was speaking with one of the guys at Superchips about 10 days ago and quizzed him about using the BlueFin I have, having had my PD170 remapped, and using it on a CR170 Yeti; on the basis that it, the Yeti, uses ostensibly (yeah, I know its CR not PD) the same engine. I was told 'sorry so, not possible'. The reason is that all VAG group cars (of this ilk) for the 2010 have new Bosch engine management system(computer) which does not allow remapping etc. through the diagnostic port (as BlueFin did). Superchips, and I presume all other tuners, have therefore had to go back to the drawing board for remapping; eek! Could it be that this engine management change has resulted in the change of engine codes?

Point 2 interests me as Ive been doing a bit of digging on remaps for the Yeti and my understanding was that remapping is still fully possible on the new Bosch MED17 ECU, the only difference is that it doesnt allow for fine tuning (like fuelling and boost control) like the previous MED9 ECU's allowed for. This isnt a problem but I can imagine it wont allow for a proper 'fine' custom map on cars with additional/upgraded engine parts.

Lee

Can any TDI 110 owners confirm this (code letters will be on the black data plate on the drivers door pillar).

Regards,

TP

TP

No data plate on any of my door pillars.

tom

I do not suppose that the present engines will pose a problem for the tuners for too long. I would have thought it highly strange if it was possible to tune one engine from the equipment used to tune something totally different PD to CR.

TP

No data plate on any of my door pillars.

tom

Hi Tom thanks,

unusual that; normally one at the base of the drivers door 'B' pillar. Might have put it on the LHD side instead.

Note engine code CBDB top right in image.

If not the code should be on the 'build sticker' located in the service book and also the boot floor.

Regards,

TP

Got the data from the Service Book.

My 2WD CR 110 is CFHA

tom

Hi

Just checked my monster 2wd 110TDI and it has CFHA code on door pillar this was delivered to me mid december 09