What a Race that was

Safety Car 3 times, cars on top of each other, Webber leading from start to finish

Bring on Montreal

Not to mention the Schumacher overtake and the Mclaren f*ck up with the bung left in Buttons car causing it to set on fire!

Someone's in for a telling off because of that methinks!

Was it the camera angles, but the thing just looked so much faster than before.

I do think that they should be looking for some new town circuits. Many of the existing town circuits are flat as your hat and boring (Singapore/Monreal) and Monaco, athough interesting is a bit tired and worn. Its all so anodine today.With more cicuits they could do restrict visits to once every two or three years, making it more testing.

How about one through old Naples or that section of road near Davos or along a different section of the cote d-Azure highway, across the Skagkerak bridge between Copenhagen and Malmo, around Bristol Docks/M4/M5 etc In otherwords make it like the Isle of man TT. Choose the sort of venues that Red Bull use for the air race circuit.

If Montreal/singapore can make the cost benefit equation work. Why can't other cities.

Nick

Edited 16 May, 201016 yr by Clunkclick

Was it the camera angles, but the thing just looked so much faster than before.

I do think that they should be looking for some new town circuits. Many of the existing town circuits are flat as your hat and boring (Singapore/Monreal) and Monaco, athough interesting is a bit tired and worn. Its all so anodine today.With more cicuits they could do restrict visits to once every two or three years, making it more testing.

How about one through old Naples or that section of road near Davos or along a different section of the cote d-Azure highway, across the Skagkerak bridge between Copenhagen and Malmo, around Bristol Docks/M4/M5 etc In otherwords make it like the Isle of man TT. Choose the sort of venues that Red Bull use for the air race circuit.

If Montreal/singapore can make the cost benefit equation work. Why can't other cities.

Nick

Red Bull did state that they were making the car faster and what they had in spain was nothing. Will they be able to keep the pace?

I watched the second half online and in the on-board view, I saw Schumacher keep moving a leaver by his left leg, what could this be? :think: He seamed to be doing it coming out of the tunnel.

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I'm sure Damon enjoyed geting his own back on Schumacher.

i thought the race was boring

need large tracks so cars can overtake etc etc

monaco = boring imho

i thought the race was boring

need large tracks so cars can overtake etc etc

monaco = boring imho

exactly my thoughts. second most boring race of the season. Bahrain was the most boring for me

I disagree with the stewards on this one. The safety car was in before the end of the race and the green flags were shown. Schumacher should be allowed to keep the place and if that's how they want the rules to be then they should be re-written.

If they wanted the cars to hold station, then the safety car should have stayed out and crossed the line, or yellow flags should have been waved.

And, no, I'm not really a Schumacher fan but that was a cracking move

I disagree with the stewards on this one. The safety car was in before the end of the race and the green flags were shown. Schumacher should be allowed to keep the place and if that's how they want the rules to be then they should be re-written.

If they wanted the cars to hold station, then the safety car should have stayed out and crossed the line, or yellow flags should have been waved.

And, no, I'm not really a Schumacher fan but that was a cracking move

If the regulation quoted has been quoted correctly though, then it was an illegal move - seems pretty clear

Having said that, I wish it had been legal :yes:

I only saw the race from about lap 50 onwards, and have to say it looked a processional affair, with the most exciting incident being when the Lotus decided to mount it's opposition

Roll on the next Moto GP

The lack of Overtaking opportunity is what makes it an interesting race. Your guaranteed a couple of good smashes but you also get classic displays of sheer brilliance like webbers today.

I do wonder if the decision to penalise Schumacher like that is anything to do with Damon Hill being a Steward today.........

I watched the second half online and in the on-board view, I saw Schumacher keep moving a leaver by his left leg, what could this be? :think: He seamed to be doing it coming out of the tunnel.

Brake bias or the front wing flap adjust. You see a lot of the drivers doing it.

A great quote from Chandhok about what happened to Barrichello's steering wheel:

Chandhok also revealed that he dragged Barrichello’s errant steering wheel all the way down to the tunnel section of the track.

“It got lodged underneath the car, so I could feel it scraping all the way through Mirabeau. Then the noise stopped and one of the marshals reported back that it fell out of my car in the tunnel. But then Bruno ran over it – so that steering wheel has been well and truly Hispania’d!â€

Edited 16 May, 201016 yr by Mike Wrightson

If the regulation quoted has been quoted correctly though, then it was an illegal move - seems pretty clear

Having said that, I wish it had been legal :yes:

I only saw the race from about lap 50 onwards, and have to say it looked a processional affair, with the most exciting incident being when the Lotus decided to mount it's opposition

Roll on the next Moto GP

40.11 When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be displayed on the timing monitors and the car's orange lights will be extinguished This will be the signal to the teams and drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap.

At this point the first car in line behind the safety car may dictate the pace and, if necessary, fall more than ten car lengths behind it.

In order to avoid the likelihood of accidents before the safety car returns to the pits, from the point at which the lights on the car are turned out drivers must proceed at a pace which involves no erratic acceleration or braking nor any other manoeuvre which is likely to endanger other drivers or impede the

As the safety car is approaching the pit entry the yellow flags and SC boards will be withdrawn and replaced by waved green flags with green lights at the Line. These will be displayed until the last car crosses the Line.

40.12 Each lap completed while the safety car is deployed will be counted as a race lap.

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

Regulation 40.13 is the regulation being disputed. However, how do you define if the race is ending behind the safety car? Should you not send a message to the teams confirming this rather than showing the green flags as the safety car peels off the course which indicates that means you can race again?

Yellow flags should be waved to enforce the no overtaking rule.

I think the penalty will stand but a big part of me wishes it wouldn't

Edited 16 May, 201016 yr by Raglits

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking

The race was clearly on it's last lap, with the safety car deployed. It duly entered the pit lane at the end of the last lap, so the cars should take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking

Seems pretty blackand white to me

If the safety car had to remain out beyond the chequered flag to ensure no overtaking, there would be no need for it to enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap

Having said that, I'm not a fan of either Alonso or Schumacher, so I think it would have been funnier if they'd taken each other out

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking

The race was clearly on it's last lap, with the safety car deployed. It duly entered the pit lane at the end of the last lap, so the cars should take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking

Seems pretty blackand white to me

If the safety car had to remain out beyond the chequered flag to ensure no overtaking, there would be no need for it to enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap

Having said that, I'm not a fan of either Alonso or Schumacher, so I think it would have been funnier if they'd taken each other out

Which is why I think the penalty will stand even though the other signals on the track indicated that racing was now allowed...

What I don't understand is if the race is finishing under rule 40.13, why change the yellow flags to Green?

A green flag indicates that any previous danger has been attended to. The track is now clear, and drivers may proceed at racing speed and may again overtake. When the race director so directs, this may be displayed during the parade lap or at the beginning of a practice session; in this case all marshals positions will signal green flags. Green flashing lights are used in addition in modern races.

I think Mercedes might appeal on this one.

What I don't understand is if the race is finishing under rule 40.13, why change the yellow flags to Green?

A green flag indicates that any previous danger has been attended to. The track is now clear, and drivers may proceed at racing speed and may again overtake. When the race director so directs, this may be displayed during the parade lap or at the beginning of a practice session; in this case all marshals positions will signal green flags. Green flashing lights are used in addition in modern races.

I think Mercedes might appeal on this one.

That's my point too, the regulation says one thing and the track side signals indicated something else. I think the penalty will stand and there will be a "regulation clarification"

In the mean time, wish I'd seen Damon Hill's face on this one

In the mean time, wish I'd seen Damon Hill's face on this one

Thinking about it

Reviewing it again

Decision made

Edited 16 May, 201016 yr by Brimma

Hay, Remember who made the decision.

Ferrari International Assistance, so therefore Alonso in the Red car gained the advantage from the end result.

Edited 16 May, 201016 yr by Jim H

40:13 seems to have been correctly applied, but is one of the worst regulations ever. Show me a racing driver who wouldn't go for a gap like the one Alonso showed Schumi with green flags waving in his face, and I'll show you someone who's not really a racing driver. Personally, I'd have penalised Schumi about 0.5s.

i thought the race was boring

need large tracks so cars can overtake etc etc

monaco = boring imho

I agree I thought it was boring too.

On the Schumacher incident.. I don't like the guy, but the green flags were clearly out, so the race is on.

Edited 17 May, 201016 yr by cheezemonkhai

At least the FIA have agreed to examine and probably reword the regulation...