Having read up on the Fabia VRS the turbo can fail at any time.

Due to circumstances of work and other commitments I will always need a car. If it did fail I would have to hire a car but can be costly the longer the Fabia is of the road

So if my turbo failed can any of you advise or recommend:

1) Where to purchase a new/recon turbo? Websites or shops within the greater Manchester area preferably

2) Turbo Price new/recon?

2) Typical labour charge?

Its better to have done my research so I can just go and buy rather than panick or get ripped off in a rush.

Thanks in advanced

wudnt say "they can fail at any time"...its not that often they fail..look after the car properly.. ie drive it sensibly and service it they can last over 100k...

new they will be £1000 ish and prob bout 2-3 hours labour so another £150 ish..

I would goto Turbo Dynamics if I required another turbo; they can supply a standard Garratt, or uprated ones to suit a variety of budgets

I'd then budget for around £100 in parts (replacement of gaskets, bolts and the like) plus labour. Garage fees obviously depend on where you go and the prevailing hourly rate. I'd allow 4hrs myself.

As said above, I wouldn't worry unduly about imminent or 'expectant' failure; if the car's properly serviced and looked after with correct oil, and warm-up/cool down cycles are followed, you won't generally have a problem

Steve

I understand certain people on here have had good mileage out of their turbo and others havent from reading up on other posts, some owners have had to replace their turbo at 40k, 60k and so so on...

Mine is currently at 65k the oil has been changed regular beetween 10-15k but I will be sticking to 8k-10k service intervals.

I dont know how the previous owner looked after the engine in the sense of slow throttle at warm up period and allowing the turbo to cool off, I take it easy from a cold start and allow a minute to cool down when I park up so im taking the recommend advice on board.

For those who have replaced the turbo may have some recommendation, so I thought it would be better to have done my research in the unfortunate event of it failing.

Turbo Dynamics - are they fairly priced?

Stage 2 turbo dynamics ftw!! About 1200 iirc :8

In Oct 2008 I bought a new Garrett turbo from Derv Doctor in Ashbourne for £650/£700 ish.

i have seen several PD engine turbos last for well over 200,000 miles easy. even if your seals in your turbo do go you will still be able to drive your car it will be abit smokey though.

if its not broke then dont fix it, although a PD150 turbo will bolt straight in and with a live map will see 200hp. which is nice

Having had a turbo go on a 1.8t petrol passat, keep a good listen out for tappet noise. My oil pump filter in the bottom of the engine was blocked (probably due to not heading the service intervals and startup and cool down times). This starved the Turbo (and tappets) of oil and resulted in a dead engine. millage was around 90K

Is it possible to fit a turbo timer to a diesel (ignorant but I dont see why not)? Surely this will help with cool down.

I recently picked up a GT1749V from Turbodynamics, if you go through someone in the motor trade you will get a greater discount, nearly £100 less IIRC.

Is it possible to fit a turbo timer to a diesel (ignorant but I dont see why not)? Surely this will help with cool down.

It would be good if they came with the turbo timer from the factory, Its not so simple with the alarm and immobiliser it would be difficult to fit a turbo timer.

Some will debate modern diesels don’t need the cooling of period because the are engineered better but most or all turbos need to be cooled off, to prevent the turbo bearings from seizing when the engine is shut down straight after a run the bearings are still spinning, because there is no oil pressure when the engine is shut down this causes wear on the turbos bearings eventually causing the bearings to seize. (Dont know if im making sense) but thats what I have been advised from a good mechanic.

The fabia turbo doesnt have ball bearings, its a white metal shell type bearing and the shaft 'floats' on a film of oil.

Cool down is reccomended but a leisurely drive from the main road to your house staying off boost will be fine.

Is it possible to fit a turbo timer to a diesel (ignorant but I dont see why not)? Surely this will help with cool down.

On a standard to moderately tuned PD engine it takes about 5 seconds iirc for your turbo to cool down. do this by staying in the car 5 seconds after every journey.

this occurs because diesels run alot cooler than petrol engines, about 600 degress centigrade.

thus a turbo timer is pointless really.

Ok well like I said, I'm ignorant lol. What you have all said makes sense, I'll just give the engine 30 seconds before switching off.

Edited 26 May, 201016 yr by saint1d

What the guy at the garage said to me not sure if its bullpoo was that when the turbo is being driven hard and gets warm the oil gets hot and thin to the point where it starts to loose its composition then if you stop the car too quickly the hot oil sits in the turbo and congeles and turns tarry. this has 2 effects, 1: tarry oil blocks the pipes less oil goes through turbo even mor tarry oil bigger block etc. 2:this tarry oil gets transfered to the sump next time the engine is started where it begins to block the oil pump filter. The 2nd is what he said happened to mine.

i usually towards end of my journey slow down and dont push it. I sometimes leave it too cool down for 45 to a minute while i sit in car

Mines is pedal to the metal from turn of key to turn of key none of this turbo timer malarchy :p

Mines is pedal to the metal from turn of key to turn of key none of this turbo timer malarchy :p

Let us know how many turbos you go through

£432.11

Is it a good turbo G-Force??

Found it at Euro car parts..

Euro car parts Link to Turbo

Edited 29 May, 201016 yr by REDFABVRS

£432.11

Is it a good turbo G-Force??

Found it at Euro car parts..

Euro car parts Link to Turbo

with a name like "G force" it must be good

Let us know how many turbos you go through

Well i think i might be okay im running a stage 2 pd150 with 5 k oil changes

What the guy at the garage said to me not sure if its bullpoo was that when the turbo is being driven hard and gets warm the oil gets hot and thin to the point where it starts to loose its composition then if you stop the car too quickly the hot oil sits in the turbo and congeles and turns tarry. this has 2 effects, 1: tarry oil blocks the pipes less oil goes through turbo even mor tarry oil bigger block etc. 2:this tarry oil gets transfered to the sump next time the engine is started where it begins to block the oil pump filter. The 2nd is what he said happened to mine.

Spot on, though I've found that the !st effect is more likely, turning the engine off after a hard run will leave the turbo spinning( remember they can reach 200,000 rpm plus at full boost) with no oli pressure the oil in the turbo will cook in the housing and block off the oilways eventually causing the turbo shaft to fail. New turbo time!!

Ian

What the guy at the garage said to me not sure if its bullpoo was that when the turbo is being driven hard and gets warm the oil gets hot and thin to the point where it starts to loose its composition then if you stop the car too quickly the hot oil sits in the turbo and congeles and turns tarry. this has 2 effects, 1: tarry oil blocks the pipes less oil goes through turbo even mor tarry oil bigger block etc. 2:this tarry oil gets transfered to the sump next time the engine is started where it begins to block the oil pump filter. The 2nd is what he said happened to mine.

Spot on, though I've found that the 1st effect is more likely, turning the engine off after a hard run will leave the turbo spinning( remember they can reach 200,000 rpm plus at full boost) with no oil pressure the oil in the turbo will cook in the housing and block off the oilways eventually causing the turbo shaft to fail. New turbo time!!

Ian

Well i think i might be okay im running a stage 2 pd150 with 5 k oil changes

agreed. imho, 15k, 10k, 8k is too long an interval to change the oil on any turbocharged car.

i run petrol turbos and the Fab VRS. I change oil & filter every 3-5k to minimise wear to all engine internals and therefore hope to give the turbocharger the longest possible service life.

Well i think i might be okay im running a stage 2 pd150 with 5 k oil changes

Agree with the 5k oil changes is a benefit to the engine and the turbo

5,000 miles for many diesel owners will be done in a matter a few months so it can be difficult to finance the service and parts cost in such a short period, if somebody doing 5k a year it will work out as the annual service

The warm up period and cool off period is critical to keep minimum ware to all lubricated components in the engine and turbo no matter how regular you change the oil, the oil should be given the chance to warm up before stressing the internals, simply to keep minimum ware as somebody on here as suggested that the turbo is spinning at 200,000 rpm and if the engine is turned of after using full boost it will cause a componet to seize..

For those waiting to upgrade to a hybrid or a pd150 turbo it makes sense why some of you are actually waiting for the standard turbo to die