I test drove a CR VRS a while ago and couldn't believe how smooth the power delivery was. Smoother than any other car I've driven or been in. Part of the work done in the remap on my PD engine was to smooth out the sudden torque spike so even though more power and torque are delivered it's harder to break traction, but the CR is still streets ahead. I'm not sure how the petrol could be smoother again, but I've not driven one...

ive driven the CR to, and it is alot better than the PD for smoothness. i guess the reason myself and others find the petrol smoother is that you have a large amount of torque that is coming in over a much shorter rev range, , with the petrol there is 207ibft(as standard,) but that is a plateau of torque over the entire rev range, so no sudden lurches just smooth and consistant.

as shown below.

once mapped the tfsi does start to gain that hump of torque but you get a plateau of power instead

compliments of vRScarl

a good plateau of power/torque will make for amore drivable car than a peaky delivery in my experience and of course only in my opinion.

Just get one.....

There are bad sides to every car and if you worried about them you'd never end up buying anything.

They are a fab car and I know people who have done thousands of miles on short journeys in them with no problems

I've had mine a few months and I've had it remapped and for all those people that think the engine isn't smooth you really need to drive a remapped Fabia VRS! lol. Those things come in like the throttle is on a switch. One thing I find it hard to believe though is the fuel economy claims. My mates got a petrol and its never ever seen 36mpg. I can average 50+ in the Diesel, but I don't. Since ownership my car has average 44mpg. If you drive at 75mph on the motorway the diesel aapears to return 40mpg. That said I went to Bournemouth over the weekend and followed my mate in his 911. We sat at around 110mph all the way and my economy only dropped to 37.5.

Is it only the CR diesel engines that have DMF's or do the PD diesel engines have them too?

Thanks

No, Both the PD and CR have DMFs fitted as standard.

YES! YES! YES! buy the vRS Diesel, its a brilliant motor and you will NEVER regret it.

Regarding the DPF issue, if u do low mileage (around 3-4k annually) but still do a 10-15 mile run every week or 2, would this be enough to stop the DPF from blocking?

To be honest if you do 2 to 3k a year I would just get the petrol. It is cheaper than the diesel and you are not going to notice the small bit extra you will pay on fuel.

3k-4k?

Oh, how I dream of such low annual mileage :(

3k-4k?

Oh, how I dream of such low annual mileage :(

Snap, I've done that in a month before...

Mine has 2400 miles on it, and today marks 1 month since I got it.

Other than a road trip last weekend of 500 miles, that's about average... :|

Is it only the CR diesel engines that have DMF's or do the PD diesel engines have them too?

All vrs octavias have dual mass flywheels fitted inc petol versions, only fitted 1 to a petrol and that was because the slave cyl exploded and covered the flywheel in brake fluid and we fitted it under warranty BUT i wished i had a fiver for every diesel dual mass ive fitted because i would be very rich !!! (different milages as well some low and some high no said patern) and i am not even going into the dpf debate as they do give problems big ones as well. i can return a good 33 mpg on a good run and i am running a stage 2 revod octy petrol producing around 260 hp. my personal thoughts are unless you are doing shed loads of miles get a petrol and treat yourself to some goodies with the money you will save.

All vrs octavias have dual mass flywheels fitted inc petol versions, only fitted 1 to a petrol and that was because the slave cyl exploded and covered the flywheel in brake fluid and we fitted it under warranty BUT i wished i had a fiver for every diesel dual mass ive fitted because i would be very rich !!! (different milages as well some low and some high no said patern) and i am not even going into the dpf debate as they do give problems big ones as well. i can return a good 33 mpg on a good run and i am running a stage 2 revod octy petrol producing around 260 hp. my personal thoughts are unless you are doing shed loads of miles get a petrol and treat yourself to some goodies with the money you will save.

does he mean DMF(dual mass flywheel) or DPF (diesel particulate filter)

does he mean DMF(dual mass flywheel) or DPF (diesel particulate filter)

No i am talking about Ultimas quote Posted Today, 13:11

"Is it only the CR diesel engines that have DMF's or do the PD diesel engines have them too?"

But i had to have my 2 peneth regarding dpf systems as well. Sorry if i confused anyone. still have a petrol though lol

I'd sum this up by saying:

If you're buying new, and do 15,000 + miles a year, go for the diesel. I have a CR vrS estate and love it.

If you're buying new and do less than 15,000 a year, go for the petrol vRS - I too like torquey engirens but this one (similar to the Golf GTI) is good at low revs too, and not one of those screamers that comes into its own only over 4,000 rpm.

If buying used, avoid a PD diesel with DPF unless you do a high mileage with lots of motorway running, There are quite a lot of 2.0 PDs that don't have a DPF - but don't try removing one if fitted.

All vrs octavias have dual mass flywheels fitted inc petol versions, only fitted 1 to a petrol and that was because the slave cyl exploded and covered the flywheel in brake fluid and we fitted it under warranty BUT i wished i had a fiver for every diesel dual mass ive fitted because i would be very rich !!! (different milages as well some low and some high no said patern) and i am not even going into the dpf debate as they do give problems big ones as well. i can return a good 33 mpg on a good run and i am running a stage 2 revod octy petrol producing around 260 hp. my personal thoughts are unless you are doing shed loads of miles get a petrol and treat yourself to some goodies with the money you will save.

Do petrol engines have problems with DMF's aswell?

I like the extra torque the diesels have, plus they hold their value better as everyone wants a diesel.

If I was going to get one it would be a used PD140 to avoid the DPF problems but then I've read the turbo's blow alot on that engine too (aswell as the DMF problems).

I was wondering isn't the engine in the petrol vRS a different type to the 1.8 TSI ?

vRS is turbo FSI (belt driven), whereas the 1.8 is TSI (chain driven).

Anyone know when a 2.0TSI petrol will be available in the vRS?

Edited 6 June, 201016 yr by Ultima

Do petrol engines have problems with DMF's aswell?

I like the extra torque the diesels have, plus they hold their value better as everyone wants a diesel.

If I was going to get one it would be a used PD140 to avoid the DPF problems but then I've read the turbo's blow alot on that engine too (aswell as the DMF problems).

I was wondering isn't the engine in the petrol vRS a different type to the 1.8 TSI ?

vRS is turbo FSI (belt driven), whereas the 1.8 is TSI (chain driven).

Anyone know when a 2.0TSI petrol will be available in the vRS?

the new vRS already has the 2.0TSI.

There are quite a lot of 2.0 PDs that don't have a DPF - but don't try removing one if fitted.

Why might that be?

the new vRS already has the 2.0TSI.

According to the latest Octavia brochure the petrol vRS is still 'T FSI'.

According to the latest Octavia brochure the petrol vRS is still 'T FSI'.

it is most definately a TSI, they obviously havent changed the brochure yet. There are alot of guys on here now who have already mapped their new TSI vRS

it is most definately a TSI, they obviously havent changed the brochure yet. There are alot of guys on here now who have already mapped their new TSI vRS

How do they know it's definately a TSI engine ?

Don't the T-FSI engines have to run on Super-unleaded to work properly?

Edited 6 June, 201016 yr by Ultima

How do they know it's definately a TSI engine ?

Don't the T-FSI engines have to run on Super-unleaded to work properly?

becauseit says TSI on the engine , and the tuners wouldn't tune the wrong engine because that would be plain stupid. JKM have a TSI vRS that they are using as a demonstration vehicle. have a look though here. Top VAg garage.

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tsi-skoda-jkm.htm

the easiest way to ttell the difference is by looking at the engine cover on the TFSI it looks like this, with the air intake designed into it.

and the tsi engine cover has a seperate intake pipe

you can run the TFSI/TSI on 95 ron, but it wont work as well as it would on super iunleaded. it is very noticable, especially when mapped.

Right................... i am a skoda tech and i can give u any advise you need. i had the choise of any one skoda and i picked the 170 and by far it is the best but dont get me wrong the fsi is awsome but not as awsome as the derv.

dont be put of by dpf it is a simple mater of a short trip up a long straight road or u can evan do it in ur drive by warming the car up and holding the revs at 2500 until the light goes out.

becauseit says TSI on the engine , and the tuners wouldn't tune the wrong engine because that would be plain stupid. JKM have a TSI vRS that they are using as a demonstration vehicle. have a look though here. Top VAg garage.

http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tsi-skoda-jkm.htm

the easiest way to ttell the difference is by looking at the engine cover on the TFSI it looks like this, with the air intake designed into it.

and the tsi engine cover has a seperate intake pipe

you can run the TFSI/TSI on 95 ron, but it wont work as well as it would on super iunleaded. it is very noticable, especially when mapped.

Thanks for the info. The 2.0TSI is 210hp aswell not 200hp as in the TFSI.

Will the TSI engines not achieve full power output on normal unleaded ?

I's still a bit offputting that the brochure hasn't been updated yet. I rang a dealer and they reckon the 2.0TSI isn't available yet but I expect if I rang others they would say it is as alot of them don't seem to know what they're on about. I was looking at getting an Octy with the 1.8TSI engine but I don't like the look of it with the small 16" wheels, I looked at specing it with 17's but that bumps the insurance up, and I'm not sure if u have to mention the sports suspension.

Got this from Honest John:

"FSIs are proving to be petrol sensitive. Best run on 99 Ron Shell V-Power Super. Head problems reported at 4 years old if not run on high octane petrol. May also suffer failed lambda probes (two at £200 each) and failed cat converters as a result.

FSIs delayed in the UK because they depend on petrol which is almost 100% sulphur-free (less than 10 parts per million)."

Edited 6 June, 201016 yr by Ultima

A trait of the TFSI engine is that it inherently cokes up the inlet valves.

Reducing detonation by using higher octane fuel, fitting an uprated intercooler, fitting Water methanol injection will reduce detonation and reduce the cokeing up effect on the engine. There is also the option of the PCV catch can which extracts the oil vapours into a can that can be emptied.

of al the platforms the TFSi is on, im yet to read or hear of a failiure as a result of his though