Scoobs are over-rated IMO.

Evo > Scoob

Scooby any day,

Evo's are just boring as fu*K

anyway , as for the race , i have owned a turbo 2000 and no way would a standard fabia keep with a scooby off the lights if the scooby was driven properly , on the other hand alot of scoobys on the road are ****ed ! as young drivers but them and cant afford to maintain them (but like me ! )

then again mine was 300bhp did about 15mpg and the noise was just ace ! :yes: just had to go tho

maybe it was a 2.0 sport ,

Scooby any day,

Evo's are just boring as fu*K

anyway , as for the race , i have owned a turbo 2000 and no way would a standard fabia keep with a scooby off the lights if the scooby was driven properly , on the other hand alot of scoobys on the road are ****ed ! as young drivers but them and cant afford to maintain them (but like me ! )

then again mine was 300bhp did about 15mpg and the noise was just ace ! :yes: just had to go tho

maybe it was a 2.0 sport ,

The wifes VRS has a Jabbasport remap on it..

Still cant see it happening though..

Edited 9 September, 201015 yr by Beancounter1980

My dad has a turbo 2000 and he cant pull away from me, and mines a stage 1, i'd imagine you'd be good against the WRX just not the STI. The turbo 2000 only has like 210bhp and a small turbo.

Yeah up to 98/99 the phase 1 engines were only 208bhp. 99-01/02 were slightly more, but not by much.

It just wouldn't happen. Unless it was a GX or something.

Most P1s are shagged, as said above - they become affordable and get abused, rather than maintained. I think finding a standard, good example would be a helluva task these days too.

Its a shame, the Impreza is a good car - but it isn't the end all of affordable, on-road speed by any means. Not to mention, I would avoid being seen dead in one because of the image it carries too (the irony of driving a SAAB) - my bird wouldn't be seen dead in something that made such a silly noise too :( At least a diesel sounds unpretentious and tractor-like

Also, why is it that drivers of Imprezas (and the like) are always viciously defensive of their car's capabilities? I have seen all over this forum, and some others, folk saying things like '' I've done a lot to the car, but it still isn't, or never will be a rocket ship. '' i.e accepting their motor's general mediocrity. Where as you look on your preferred 'Subaru Enthusiast Club Forum' of which i think there a few? And the attitude is completely the opposite. Really just a my penis is bigger than yours, and for that you should feel intimidated and ashamed of your sub-standard manhood.

Anyway, tut tut for condoning competitive driving on Her Majesty's highways, not the least in a diesel Skoda! None of us here have ever done anything remotely so down right silly! Give your missus an almighty wrist slap, and tell her never to do such silly things ever again. She is only proving the marauding hordes right that Skoda drivers are a menace.

I'd like to see some figures and times from the Stage 3 Fabia brigade though - i am sure they could give an Impreza a laugh - probably still not touch it though, because they are face-rip-offablely fast and arguably make all other cars look like they're in reverse.

Edited 9 September, 201015 yr by JesVRS

(Police Advanced trained).

You say that like it's supposed to be a good thing...

Subaru = midlife crisis car now days I'm afraid. They ain't as quick as every 16 year old chav thinks either. The BHP's have been posted few posts up, 200ish bhp?! Hybrid fabia should be a good match. Obviously standard vs standard it's not the same

Oh and there's lots of boggo 2.0 ones prancing about in wrx/sti kits too

Matt

Subaru = midlife crisis car now days I'm afraid. They ain't as quick as every 16 year old chav thinks either. The BHP's have been posted few posts up, 200ish bhp?

Yes, I had mine when I was 25.

True, about 210-215 bhp. But still quick as traction from a standing start is very good. That's what too many people focus on, the 0-60 time.

The wifes VRS has a Jabbasport remap on it..

Still cant see it happening though..

maybe the scooby driver wasnt ever racing, just playing with the vrs to make your wife feel a bit better about her self

Edited 9 September, 201015 yr by scottk18

Speaking of bhp. My fabia vrs is totally standard but kicks out 137 bhp. Hows that?

You say that like it's supposed to be a good thing...

Subaru = midlife crisis car now days I'm afraid. They ain't as quick as every 16 year old chav thinks either. The BHP's have been posted few posts up, 200ish bhp?! Hybrid fabia should be a good match. Obviously standard vs standard it's not the same

Oh and there's lots of boggo 2.0 ones prancing about in wrx/sti kits too

Matt

Mazda MX5 = midlife crisis

Speaking of bhp. My fabia vrs is totally standard but kicks out 137 bhp. Hows that?

Haha, mine was 148bhp standard

As said i can play with turbo 2000's mid range upwards! Off the line i doubt there would be a lot in it due to the scoobaroo having 4wd

Also if you look at some of the wrx sti's they only have 276bhp and a 0-60mph time of just under 6s! My old st3 focus wasnt far behind one!

Better off with an evo

Mazda MX5 = midlife crisis

Haha, mine was 148bhp standard

Cool but how? Geniune question! Supposed to be 130bhp and if anything I thought I'd lose a few the older it got.

Edited 9 September, 201015 yr by Fabla

I for one did not believe her. I mean a subaru FFS...

No way was it an Impreza turbo... I think the guys were either terrible at shifting or it was most likely a slower variant of the range...

I used to own a P1....I know they are feckin fast. A VRS is like a snail in comparison..

But she has no reason to lie. More to the point she hates talking about cars......so this was an odd one..

If you have a vrs remapped to 180bhp and a subaru wrx running standard 210bhp, the transmission loss is about 30bhp on fabia and at a guess 60bhp on the subaru's AWD setup, the subaru is also heavier...why is it hard to belive she could have given a WRX a run for its money? an STi is obviously out of the question.

Better off with an evo

I couldn't handle a service every 4.5k!

I couldn't handle a service every 4.5k!

thats nothing,

i took my old scooby for the spark plugs changing, and its cost a fortune they have to drop the engine down to change them

Yeah up to 98/99 the phase 1 engines were only 208bhp. 99-01/02 were slightly more, but not by much.

My original Scooby was a 208 bhp one and it suffered very much from old school turbo lag. It also understeered like a stuck pig and seats were more like badly upholstered armchairs that you would expect to find in a Hillman Hunter. But in ‘94, they were incredible. Autocar tested theirs at 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and once it was run in, they retested it and got an astounding 5.3 seconds!! I then replaced my first one with the 210 version (late 97) which was know as the high torque model at the time and the handing and seats were massively improved. It was rumoured that a lot of the suspension mods were modelled on Prodrive’s versions. Mind you they both came on 15” wheels, so they didn’t look too threatening and for what passed as a laugh in those days, I used to carry a copy of ‘Farmers Weekly’ or ‘Horse and Hounds’ on my rear parcel shelf as nobody knew who Subaru (not counting the bobble hat brigade). Thankfully chavs hadn’t been invented in the mid to late 90s.

But a slightly modded Furby beating one off the line!!! The Scooby, or the driver, was sick. Diesels don’t do 0-60s well and that’s what we are talking about here, not mid range thrust, but drag racing. Plus fwd with loads of torque. Somebody is having a bit of a ‘giraffe’ methinks.

My original Scooby was a 208 bhp one and it suffered very much from old school turbo lag. It also understeered like a stuck pig and seats were more like badly upholstered armchairs that you would expect to find in a Hillman Hunter. But in ‘94, they were incredible. Autocar tested theirs at 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and once it was run in, they retested it and got an astounding 5.3 seconds!! I then replaced my first one with the 210 version (late 97) which was know as the high torque model at the time and the handing and seats were massively improved. It was rumoured that a lot of the suspension mods were modelled on Prodrive’s versions. Mind you they both came on 15” wheels, so they didn’t look too threatening and for what passed as a laugh in those days, I used to carry a copy of ‘Farmers Weekly’ or ‘Horse and Hounds’ on my rear parcel shelf as nobody knew who Subaru (not counting the bobble hat brigade). Thankfully chavs hadn’t been invented in the mid to late 90s.

But a slightly modded Furby beating one off the line!!! The Scooby, or the driver, was sick. Diesels don’t do 0-60s well and that’s what we are talking about here, not mid range thrust, but drag racing. Plus fwd with loads of torque. Somebody is having a bit of a ‘giraffe’ methinks.

Diesels can do a good 0-60 with a good driver, the type of fuel doesnt affect 0-60 times, however, drivers, bhp/torque and gear ratios, hell, even the atmosphere affects 0-60 times...anyway back to my point, what matters is more is the drivers ability, power to weight etc etc, the fabia vRS with a remap and a Impreza WRX both have similar power at the wheels, with the subaru being slightly heavier, but having more grip...I really don't see why its hard to belive,

P.S. 5.3 - maybe with a professional race driver, with a boy racer with no professional driving experience against an advanced driver - I think not.

Edited 9 September, 201015 yr by VRSDanny

Diesels can do a good 0-60 with a good driver, the type of fuel doesnt affect 0-60 times, however, drivers, bhp/torque and gear ratios, hell, even the atmosphere affects 0-60 times...

P.S. 5.3 - maybe with a professional race driver, with a boy racer with no professional driving experience against an advanced driver - I think not.

Sadly the motoring press is in disagreement with you. Yes Diesels can do a decent 0-60. but nearly always suffer form their power and torque characteristics when doing drag race starts, then show their true metal in their mid range thump. Plus fwd against 4x4 off the line, as long as the Scooby driver wasn’t a twerp and/or had a buggered clutch (quite common) he would have launched away. I remember Shifty saying how he struggled getting away from my 123D on some twisties as he couldn’t get the power down (Sausage Roll now owns the car).

As for the 5.3 time, it was an optimal one, as are all the figures quoted by the mags. Sounds to me like the Scooby drivers were egging the Furby on as the wife was considered 'cute' and after she went howling down the road they had a good laugh and took the whole thing is good spirit. Even if the Furby was marginally faster, it would need solid rocket boosters to put 'a good distance' between the two vehicles.

My fabia is pretty mental off the line!

Short shift to 2nd gear and your right in the turbo band!!

All depends on levels of grip though this is possibly in the dry impossible in the wet!!!

If you want crap off the line try a vtec! Rubbish

Sadly the motoring press is in disagreement with you. Yes Diesels can do a decent 0-60. but nearly always suffer form their power and torque characteristics when doing drag race starts, then show their true metal in their mid range thump. Plus fwd against 4x4 off the line, as long as the Scooby driver wasn’t a twerp and/or had a buggered clutch (quite common) he would have launched away. I remember Shifty saying how he struggled getting away from my 123D on some twisties as he couldn’t get the power down (Sausage Roll now owns the car).

As for the 5.3 time, it was an optimal one, as are all the figures quoted by the mags. Sounds to me like the Scooby drivers were egging the Furby on as the wife was considered 'cute' and after she went howling down the road they had a good laugh and took the whole thing is good spirit. Even if the Furby was marginally faster, it would need solid rocket boosters to put 'a good distance' between the two vehicles.

This is caused by the BHP/Torque not the type of fuel though? I see what you're saying, but my point is, its not a million miles apart performance wise, which means there is no reason why it couldn't have happened.

People seem to think that a Subaru WRX is some sort of mystical super car, and infact its really not, by todays standards its not really that fast at all, I had a video back from when I was a bit of a stupid boyracer (although i've never been a chav fortunately) , my friend in the subaru had a camera mounted in it and he was barely keeping up with my Fabia. It was however completely difference once he had that remapped.

This is caused by the BHP/Torque not the type of fuel though? I see what you're saying, but my point is, its not a million miles apart performance wise, which means there is no reason why it couldn't have happened.

People seem to think that a Subaru WRX is some sort of mystical super car, and infact its really not, by todays standards its not really that fast at all, I had a video back from when I was a bit of a stupid boyracer (although i've never been a chav fortunately) , my friend in the subaru had a camera mounted in it and he was barely keeping up with my Fabia. It was however completely difference once he had that remapped.

Having seen my wife drive, i could be inclined to say she most likely beat him of the line. But like i say, she aint no boy racer and does not even have an idea what a turbo does. But she does know how to short shift and blaze through the gears. I've seen her do it in the Z4M

The subaru driver was obviously pretty ****....and trust me he was trying.

Revving your engine side-by-side at a lone female occupied car? You gotta be a bit of a saddo...and then to lose....

Edited 9 September, 201015 yr by Beancounter1980

My fabia is pretty mental off the line!

Short shift to 2nd gear and your right in the turbo band!!

All depends on levels of grip though this is possibly in the dry impossible in the wet!!!

If you want crap off the line try a vtec! Rubbish

they are totally shocking in the wet...

type R's really need skill for a good launch without breaking much...

This is caused by the BHP/Torque not the type of fuel though? I see what you're saying, but my point is, its not a million miles apart performance wise, which means there is no reason why it couldn't have happened.

People seem to think that a Subaru WRX is some sort of mystical super car, and infact its really not, by todays standards its not really that fast at all, I had a video back from when I was a bit of a stupid boyracer (although i've never been a chav fortunately) , my friend in the subaru had a camera mounted in it and he was barely keeping up with my Fabia. It was however completely difference once he had that remapped.

Personally, I don’t think you can separate the fuel from the engines characteristics. But having owned 2 early Scoobys, I can testify that few cars I have ever driven could get off the line as well. My BMW 123D was pretty quick, but it could in no way match the Scooby from a standstill, once underway, the BMW would eventually haul in the Scooby and pass it. I sold cars at Bauer Millet and was lucky enough to drive many seriously quick cars, but nothing under £50K (and many cars costing up to £100K) that I ever drove felt as quick 0-30 as my first Scooby. The exception being a Megabusa, but that was really a track car.

Once on the move a propely sorted and modded Furby is like any other properly sorted and modded car……QUICK!! I quote Shiftys car regularly, as it was heavily modded (about 240bhp), stripped out and the handling sorted. But, even then he struggled to leave my 123D in a straight line (only 204 bhp and probably 500kg heavier!!) and when going cross country my RWD proved to give much more traction out of corners than his exotic Furby and it’s FWD. Ultimately I was no match for Shiftys driving, but in a drag race the difference wasn’t that great. This is why I struggle to see how a lightly breathed on Furby could ‘leave by some distance’ a Scooby with roughly similar 'on paper' performance.

Imho the Scooby got it’s reputation because of things like my first one cost me £13.5K brand new on the road. Nothing, but nothing, in those days, came close to the performance for that kind of money. I even remember drag racing an M3 at the time away from a standstill and roughly holding it until I ran out of third gear and he left me for dead. Mind you it started raining and he wouldn’t play any more Then the Scooby became mainstream, other manufacturers caught up with it and the Chavs moved in. I think it was a similar story with the original Golf Gti as others made better Gtis and it took VW probably 20 years to get back to the top echelon again. I loved the character of my Scooby, but I won't be buying another (probably couldn't afford to run it either) as the 'specialness' has left the model

So, what are people's thoughts of getting an optimal hard launch on a Fabia VRS?