Anyone set up any cameras in there car for the purposes of evidence in the event of a collision?

I know Taxi's often have them covering the passengers for the drivers benefit, but what about recording the pricks that cut you up or pull out on you...

Jono

Have a look at the Exeros Cube. Pretty cheap, does the job, good quality video (see

for an idea).

Have a look at the Exeros Cube. Pretty cheap, does the job, good quality video (see

for an idea).

Yeah thats a pretty cute piece of tech.

Overkill and more than I'd like to spend really. Dont need the GPS/accelerometer.

Also, 2 cameras would be nice, front and rear, probably wired into a 12v source, rather then having to faff with chargers etc.

Recording GPS position and speed could have potential legal implications too, for some users.

I think insurance companies will offer a big discount to drivers who have this equipment fitted as it makes it much easier to prove your case in the event of a no-fault accident.

Yeah thats a pretty cute piece of tech.

Overkill and more than I'd like to spend really. Dont need the GPS/accelerometer.

Also, 2 cameras would be nice, front and rear, probably wired into a 12v source, rather then having to faff with chargers etc.

Recording GPS position and speed could have potential legal implications too, for some users.

Without GPS and possibly speed, then the video footage is going to be of no use to you unfortunately, as it'll never be taken seriously if for whatever reason you need to show it to someone.

.....Without GPS and possibly speed, then the video footage is going to be of no use to you unfortunately,.....

Not true.

There are many examples which can be used to prove that you are not to blame for an accident (without speed being an issue.)

A vehicle pulling out from a junction without giving right of way; a vehicle crossing on a red light or ignoring a "stop" sign.

A vehicle changing lanes without due-care etc.

Like I said, many examples, but I agree that it seems a waste to not include the GPS/speed facility in the installation.

Have a look here, - I think this is what you might be looking for.

http://www.novuseye.co.uk/

Edited 30 October, 201015 yr by davidj241

I have the Roadhawk system installed in my TT and I'm very pleased with it. I have the RH2 mounted on the windscreen and the RH1 mounted in the rear window. That gives me 360 coverage inside and out. If anyone wants to see what the quality is like then I can send them the viewer and a file with some piccies on.

The quality at 640x480 30fps is very good and even at 1024x768 15fps it's still perfectly watchable.

I got these because my insurers (Audi Insurance with Allianz) offered me a 50% discount on my premium (after the NCD was applied) if I had the units permanently fitted to the car (they tuirn on with the ignition and stay on for 15 minutes after the ignition is switched off) and supplied them with a letter stating that I would not drive the car without the cameras active and recording.

I think my actual premium for a £35,000 Audi TT driving 30,000 miles per annum (20,000 business miles) and all mods declared (remap upto 10% increased power, modified exhaust, modified suspension, modified ICE) is just under £200. And you really can't argue with that for value.

Roadhawks are sold in the UK through Dog Cam Sport. My system, fully fitted) was just under £700, but I'll save that over the life of the car and the cameras can be removed very easily and put into another car.

http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/drive-recorders.html

If you have an Android phone, look out for an app on the asndriod market called "dailyroads voyager". The app is free, and it records your journey with GPS co-ordinates, speed, longitude, latitude, etc. The footage/pictures can be uploaded via FTP or cross-referenced with google maps. I have used it for a couple of months to record my car journeys and it is truly a useful (and free) piece of software!

....my actual premium for a £35,000 Audi TT driving 30,000 miles per annum ....... and all mods declared .........is just under £200.

And you really can't argue with that for value.

... My system, fully fitted) was just under £700, but I'll save that over the life of the car and the cameras can be removed very easily and put into another car......

You make a very convincing case for fitting a RoadHawk system.

It can only be a matter of time before insurance companies insist on fitting such a system or else no insurance. (On expensive cars at least..)

Currently, you can't insure an expensive motorbike with some companies unless a tracker and a cat 1 alarm is fitted.

In-car CCTV is very likely to be the next stage - without the cash incentives that you have enjoyed, for which congratulations on being in at the start!

Edited 31 October, 201015 yr by BOBAD

I think insurance companies will offer a big discount to drivers who have this equipment fitted as it makes it much easier to prove your case in the event of a no-fault accident.

Have seen internet posts of instances of accidents caught on camera that the insurance company refused to look at. TBH they just want the case cut and shut they don't want to spend 5 minutes watching a video. See http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2806336&highlight=video

........Have seen internet posts of instances of accidents caught on camera that the insurance company refused to look at.......

This is not the case with those insurance companies who are already offering discounts to drivers of cars equipped with CCTV though...

In the event of a serious accident with a large pay-out at stake I'm pretty sure that insurance companies would be only too ready to view photographic evidence which they could use to avoid paying out on a claim, hence the discount available.

It works in courtrooms too. If you are found to contribute to the claim (for example by not wearing a seatbelt) then the settlement pay-out is correspondingly smaller.

It's only a matter of time.......

Have seen internet posts of instances of accidents caught on camera that the insurance company refused to look at. TBH they just want the case cut and shut they don't want to spend 5 minutes watching a video. See http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2806336&highlight=video

It's not just about insurance though. Say (God forbid) that some child steps out in front of my car and I can't stop. Assuming I was driving at a speed within the applicable speed limit and taking all the other extant factors (weather, day/night) into account then it would be relatively straightforward to demonstrate that I was driving responsibly and took all reasonable precautions to avoid hurting anyone. If nothing else it might make me feel a bit better afterwards.

One thing I can absolutely promise you about fitting these systems is they do change the way you drive. I don't think I ever tailgated people before, but I definitely don't now and it's very rare indeed that I exceed the speed limit by anything like 10% which is supposed to be the tolerance the police allow. I think I actually enjoy my driving more now. It's certainly a lot less stressful.

I have the Roadhawk system installed in my TT and I'm very pleased with it. I have the RH2 mounted on the windscreen and the RH1 mounted in the rear window. That gives me 360 coverage inside and out. If anyone wants to see what the quality is like then I can send them the viewer and a file with some piccies on.

The quality at 640x480 30fps is very good and even at 1024x768 15fps it's still perfectly watchable.

I got these because my insurers (Audi Insurance with Allianz) offered me a 50% discount on my premium (after the NCD was applied) if I had the units permanently fitted to the car (they tuirn on with the ignition and stay on for 15 minutes after the ignition is switched off) and supplied them with a letter stating that I would not drive the car without the cameras active and recording.

I think my actual premium for a £35,000 Audi TT driving 30,000 miles per annum (20,000 business miles) and all mods declared (remap upto 10% increased power, modified exhaust, modified suspension, modified ICE) is just under £200. And you really can't argue with that for value.

Roadhawks are sold in the UK through Dog Cam Sport. My system, fully fitted) was just under £700, but I'll save that over the life of the car and the cameras can be removed very easily and put into another car.

http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/drive-recorders.html

Those things look pretty nifty. Not very practical if you live in a city or park on a street though. I'd imagine your windows would get smashed daily if you parked up in London with them mounted up! Or do you remove/install every time?

A more integrated system would be better, but then you lose the durability of it, and I expect that costs a lot more.

Not sure about it all to be honest. Every move being filmed..... just doesn't feel right. I think we should focus more on education and not persecution.

They should tier the driving license system, and link it to insurance. Tier 1 could be the basic license, then it could go up to Tier 5 that requires the passing of additional training and tests, and is only accessable after achieving the preceding tiers. You could include things like continental driving, ice/snow driving, rain/fog driving, long distance driving, road rage management, first aid etc. That would actually make us all better drivers. Tier 5 drivers could have say a 50% premium discount. I think I should be the minister for transport!

......They should tier the driving license system.... .... I think I should be the minister for transport!..........

Your ideas are un-workable, un-manageable, un-reasonable and would be a nightmare to administer, apart from raising the cost of learning to drive right through the roof, thereby preventing many people who would otherwise be perfectly safe drivers from obtaining a driving license.

All of which makes you perfectly well-equipped to be a government minister, and if you aren't a politician at the moment, your talents are going to waste.

You should apply immediately!

By the way, passing the driving test simply makes it legal to begin learning to drive without being accompanied by a qualified driver.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Those things look pretty nifty. Not very practical if you live in a city or park on a street though. I'd imagine your windows would get smashed daily if you parked up in London with them mounted up! Or do you remove/install every time?

They are glued to the front and rear screens and they are actually quite unobtrusive. I think the very obvious black and yellow CCTV Surveillance warning signs (legal requirement) put off a lot of ne'er-do-wells who might be tempted. And anyone smashing their way in would be more likely to be after the £1000 Kenwood DNX headunit than the surveillance cameras, no? And the Toad film on the windows makes smashing them a bit difficult as well!

There's a guy on the Tube who uses a fake MD80 DV unit to record his journeys, which can be had on eBay for as little as 99p plus £6 p&p!!!

Can't remember his Tube user name, but the video is quite good and steady

Edit: Found a link

in-car camera footage

Edited 3 November, 201015 yr by 2SkodaFamily

Can anyone suggest a list of insurers that discount for RoadHawk style cameras? And how much?

Your ideas are un-workable, un-manageable, un-reasonable and would be a nightmare to administer, apart from raising the cost of learning to drive right through the roof, thereby preventing many people who would otherwise be perfectly safe drivers from obtaining a driving license.

All of which makes you perfectly well-equipped to be a government minister, and if you aren't a politician at the moment, your talents are going to waste.

You should apply immediately!

By the way, passing the driving test simply makes it legal to begin learning to drive without being accompanied by a qualified driver.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I think its a brilliant idea , if you wanted to progress your driving skills & reduce your insurance premium, then pay for it, although you would still be driving on the same road as the other lesser tiered drivers, you would still possibly get in a shunt with a lesser tiered driver, or what if you aer the culprit causing the accident - hmmm i think we have more holes in this idea than a piece of swiss cheese

Anyone that remembers the IAM ( Institue of Advanced Motorist) scheme, where you could get a reduction in insurance if you passed ? I did & their reduction wasnt worth it, as it only worked with the more expensive insurers & I got cheaper insurance elswhere.

Sensible thought here - The reality is that everyone would pay for tier 1 licence and go no further, so we might as well keep what we have

I got these because my insurers (Audi Insurance with Allianz) offered me a 50% discount on my premium (after the NCD was applied) if I had the units permanently fitted to the car (they tuirn on with the ignition and stay on for 15 minutes after the ignition is switched off) and supplied them with a letter stating that I would not drive the car without the cameras active and recording.

Do they offer insurance to personal customers? I assume (from looking at the Allianz website) that this is a commercial or fleet policy?

Cheers,

Martin

Just called Audi Insurance. They're never heard of offering a discount for fitting in car cameras or data systems? Trackers yes, cameras, no.

Just called Audi Insurance. They're never heard of offering a discount for fitting in car cameras or data systems? Trackers yes, cameras, no.

That's bizarre. When I called and asked them they asked me about 20 questions, most of which centred around was it being done by and Audi dealer and were the parts genuine Audi. The lady on the phone then said she would have to refer to someone else and when she came back on about 5 minutes later she said that they would basically cut my premium in half if I had the units mounted permanently, supplied them with a letter confirming that I would not drive the car without the units running and that I would turn over the SD cards to them in the event if any claim. The actual policy is with Allianz.

I think insurance companies will offer a big discount to drivers who have this equipment fitted as it makes it much easier to prove your case in the event of a no-fault accident.

I thought so too, until I asked my company. They said it makes no difference to the premium

Renewal will be shopping around time.

Just called Audi Insurance. They're never heard of offering a discount for fitting in car cameras or data systems? Trackers yes, cameras, no.

Hi,

Just to let you know that an number of our schemes allow discount for a wide range of in-car cameras.

Regards,

Dan.