Well, my brother drives my old vRS, an '08 TDI PD with 117,000 miles on it. He broke down yesterday a long way from home (Donegal) and was towed to a friends house overnight. The car is now in Torquetronics in Ballymena, where he has been told the DPF & turbo are screwed. The garage 'happen to have' a brand new hybrid turbo knocking around, but want £1350 to fit this, remove the DPF & remap to suit. :wonder: So:

1) is this a fair price?

2) could it be anything else-how did the turbo get starved of oil (it's seized)?

3) is the DPF issue related to the turbo seizing at all?

4) apparently the electrics went haywire shortly before it broke down-headlights flashing etc??? (It has OEM xenons)

My bro is back home in Dublin, but any suggestions would be welcome. :yes:

Thanks in advance.

Edited 4 March, 201115 yr by skodaphile

If its a genuine hybrid and includes a remap, it sounds fair to me. There is about €200 - €300 labour in replacing the Turbo, between €400 to €500 for a good remap. The last time I replaced my Turbo, I priced a hybrid from Turbo Technics and I think they where about €1000. If you then include the DPF delete it does sound reasonable.

Having said all of that, I would like to get to the bottom of the problem (oil starvation/electrics) before I stumped up for a replacement. I have heard Torquetronics mentioned on here before.

Ask what the make and model of the Turbo is and try and price it elsewhere.

also, I would think the DPF got satureted with oil when the Turbo let go.

Edited 4 March, 201115 yr by k.young

Sounds odd to me, has the turbo blown? was it smokin like hell when it broke down? any signs of oil comming out the exhaust tail pipe? can the car start and idle? where there any strange noises when it started happening? e.g the typical police car siren type noise from the turbo?

Thanks lads-I wasn't actually driving the car, as said it's my brothers'-so I'm not sure what the sequence of events was.

He has now given the go ahead for the hybrid, dpf removal & remap. The exhaust may need changed too as it's probably full of oil as Wardy's was.

Luckily it's his company's car so all offset against vat etc anyway. He also can't do without the car for long so had to make a quick decision and Torquetronics had the turbo on the shelf from a previous cancelled project.

Looking forward to driving it after! :yes:

Edited 4 March, 201115 yr by skodaphile

Also add that Torquetronics are highly suspicious that the wrong oil has been used during servicing.....

main dealer ??

main dealer ??

Nope. Although I know at least one main dealer that consistently uses the wrong oil in them....

I'll say no more:x

Can you get infomation on the turbo fella, Nobody has Hybrid'd a PD170 yet ive toyed with it a few times but looking at bigger turbos now

There is a tuner here in ireland that fitted a hybrid to a pd engine, I drove it, it's a very quick car. They are called TDR Performance, ph +35316520641 and ask for Joe.

web: www.tdr.ie

Email: [email protected]

Turbo Dynamics said a PD170 Hybrid wouldnt offer any gains over the standard turbo tho,it would just ease the pressure on the turbo.Need a big ass turbo Apparently

Can you get infomation on the turbo fella, Nobody has Hybrid'd a PD170 yet ive toyed with it a few times but looking at bigger turbos now

I'll try and find out what he's using

Turbo Dynamics said a PD170 Hybrid wouldnt offer any gains over the standard turbo tho,it would just ease the pressure on the turbo.Need a big ass turbo Apparently

That does make sense, but I'll reserve judgement 'til I've driven it

Shame your in Ireland else we could of gone to the likes of Santa Pod to set out the difference

However i do know a few lads with Stage2 Leon's like mine maybe you could test it out compared to them

Discussions of the new turbo aside, I'd be wanting a bit more information about the original cause of the failure.

If I was being cynical, I'd say that it's quite coincidental that they happen to have the correct turbo to fit. Not many places keep things like this just sitting on the shelf....

Discussions of the new turbo aside, I'd be wanting a bit more information about the original cause of the failure.

If I was being cynical, I'd say that it's quite coincidental that they happen to have the correct turbo to fit. Not many places keep things like this just sitting on the shelf....

I agree-I was cynical myself, but time wasn't on our side, forcing a quick decision. As I said, it's my bro's car, and I haven't been involved in every conversation with the garage, but it transpires he has a yard full of removed DPF's!

It really would seem he knows his stuff, and the only comments I've heard from him is that the wrong oil may well have been used for quite a while in the car; also that the manifold was blue from heat?? Seems maybe a regen problem??

He claims he had the turbo ordered in for another customer who then cancelled the job, which I suppose can happen...

Fair points. I'd want some more info on the cause of the failure really. As that really can impact on the labour involved in putting it right, and also on the chance of it happening again.

How the original turbo has failed is critical. For example, if there's the chance of the smallest bit of debris from when it failed, all the pipework will need removing and degreasing, to be sure they're clean. Same goes for the intercooler.

No point fitting a fresh turbo if you haven't complete confidence that it's being fitted to a cleaned and checked system.

Any news on your brothers car? What figures did he get on the dyno?

Any news on your brothers car? What figures did he get on the dyno?

Haven't had a chance to drive it yet & it hasn't been dyno'd yet either-waiting for it all to run in a bit. Seems good though from what he has said. Have you got your clutch/flywheel sorted? See your sig has changed-220 the final result?

The clutch and flywheel if being changed on tuesday. There is still a bit of mapping to be done when the new clutch and flywheel are fitted. Hopefully all finished over the next week or two. You more then welcome to have a spin in it some time, I'd be interested to know what you think of the power delivery.

Had a quick spin at lunch time.

Driving very sweet, but whistles quite a lot more than previous. Pulls very well-IIRC it seems noticeably stronger than before, but the guy who fitted it has said he could crank it up a lot more but hasn't, to ensure longevity rather than outright power. Still has the old PD surge at about 1900revs

The turbo is a Garrett jobbie-couldn't see any model no. on it though.

DPF was cut out & the box re-welded.

Incidentally economy has improved drastically-indicating that the DPF may have been playing up for quite a while previously?

Glad it's sorted. Is it running a modified map now then?

When mine was fitted the other month, I noticed quite a bit of warbling and whistling as boost came on, but it settled down after the running in period. Mine's still running a std map at the moment though.

Glad it's sorted. Is it running a modified map now then?

When mine was fitted the other month, I noticed quite a bit of warbling and whistling as boost came on, but it settled down after the running in period. Mine's still running a std map at the moment though.

Cheers Wardy!

It's definitely running a modified map to allow for the DPF removal at least, but it isn't running a silly boost pressure or anything. Drives sweet and pulls nicely-seems quicker than I remember, but a DPF on it's way out wouldn't have helped the performance beforehand-difficult to tell. It's certainly not quicker than my CR with a Bluefin map. (Although the Bluefin certainly isn't the most aggressive map out there!)

Glad to hear the whistling is not unique then-hopefully it will settle down. He's well chuffed with the MPG increase! Have you found this at all?

Well mine being a PD140 I avoided the whole DPF issue. One of the reasons for buying really!

I'm now running a decat and custom exhaust and it's a similar feeling to running the PD170 without DPF I reckon - pulls better, less restriction, sounds better and MPG is better to boot! Win-win? :yes:

Mine doesn't whistle on boost at all now. That might come back a little when the map's adjusted though - hence my question of whether his was running a modified map.