Hi Folks,

Im due to change my current car and following a few recommendations from a couple of friends, was told to consider a skoda? in particular the superb estate. So off to the local dealer to see the car in the flesh. First impressions, WOW! Took the demonstrator out for a spin, a 170Bhp DSG estate and firstly I was hooked by the DSG gearbox. Secondly the space compared to my current car (Vectra 150 elite nav) was huge, the leg room cavernous compared to the A4 allroad I took for a test drive. I'd fallen for it so back to the dealer to be told the bad news, 6 month waiting list sir and by the way the panoramic roof has been taken off the options list. Oh and you cant get the DSG in 4x4 sir.... I was gutted.

With my heart now set on a Superb as my next car I waited patiently, hoping Skoda would see sense. Two weeks later bingo! Skoda launch the DSG 4x4 but only in the 140Bhp. So I carried on waiting getting ever more jealous as I start to see more Superb Estates hit the road. Geneva motor show comes and goes but nothing appears. Still no panoramic roof then whilst checking out these very pages, the panoramic roof reappears. Things are looking up, so I hot foot it down to the local dealer to confirm the roof and arrange a test drive in a 140Bhp estate for next week.

I drive about 35,000 miles per year on a mixture of motorways, A and B roads. Sometimes into the middle of no-where. I did have to get pulled out by a Discovery last year in the snow!, a heavily laden vectra in the snow with front wheel drive is not an ideal car for the white stuff. Thats why im thinking the 4x4 would be benificial.

The dilemma is should I go for the 140DSG 4x4 estate or the manual 170 4x4? Ideally skoda would launch the 170DSG with 4x4 and I would be sorted and one happy motorist. How have people found the 140DSG 4x4? Is there a big difference with the 170 4x4 (mpg,driveabilty etc) or would I be more than happy with the 140? Having monitored these pages over the last 5/6 months I know you are a very knowledgeable lot and any advice would be hugely appreciated.

Im in your hands...(did I tell you I like the DSG!!) dont want to try to sway you.

Welcome on board

I think you've done pretty well to wait this long for the 170 DSG 4x4 and the panoramic roof. I have the 170DSG on order, but at the moment I'm driving a 105DSG Octavia, and it's surprising nippy. Ok, so it's not a Superb Estate, but I would have thought the 140 in the Superb would make for similar performance. When I ordered you couldn't get any DSG 4x4 variants, but if the 140DSG 4x4 was available, well... who knows.

You seem to have your heart set on DSG, so that's a clear winner... the decision is whether you would be happy with slightly less performance all year round for the potential opportunity not to get stuck for maybe 6-8 weeks of the year... It's a difficult one that only you can answer, but I'd say go for the 170DSG and opt for a decent set of winter tyres or snow-socks when the need arises.

I'm sure whichever you opt for you'll enjoy to the max

Edited 24 March, 201115 yr by Superbalicious

Hi,

I've got the 170 Elegance FWD only & as a manual. What has impressed me is how smooth all the mechanics are, solid, meaty, slick, smooth. I would say considering its got 170 horses the smooth & progressive delivery makes it feel like its not that quick... but keep an eye on the speedo as its not a slouch.

DSG - I can't comment, its personnal opinion and will not doubt make things more leisurely/relaxed for you as there's less to do - no doubt should there ever be aneed to multi task (not that anyone would ever do that!). I find the manual gives that little extra control & allows you to get the response you want, precisely when you want it.

As for 4WD, I agreed with what I think Superbalicious was suggesting... I think (& in my opinion I'm quite sure that) FWD with a set of decent winter tyres is far better than any 4WD on normal tyres. 4WD with winter tyres is obviously the best/safest combination!

Having lived in Germany for nearly 6 years I used winter tyres every year & I can only say the difference between winter & summer tyres on snow & ice is mind blowing!!! Personally I can't see that 4WD will really prove its worth... but I know there will be few on here that will tell me I'm wrong... eh AL?? :p

I have a feeling that you're heading for a 4WD with DSG & 140bhp & Panoramic sunroof....!?! Just get the winter tyres too & you'll have an absolute peach.

Just to add... although I'm not sure (someone will correct me) but I think the 140 DSG is different (its a dry instead of wet) gearbox & it might even be 7 speed. Its meant to be a better system (I drove one once & I felt it was smoother than then 170 DSG). an extra gear (possibly) better technology & all the gadgets... I reckon that's sold! Go place the order tomorrow!!!

Enjoy

Stef

Hi,

I've got the 170 Elegance FWD only & as a manual. What has impressed me is how smooth all the mechanics are, solid, meaty, slick, smooth. I would say considering its got 170 horses the smooth & progressive delivery makes it feel like its not that quick... but keep an eye on the speedo as its not a slouch.

DSG - I can't comment, its personnal opinion and will not doubt make things more leisurely/relaxed for you as there's less to do - no doubt should there ever be aneed to multi task (not that anyone would ever do that!). I find the manual gives that little extra control & allows you to get the response you want, precisely when you want it.

As for 4WD, I agreed with what I think Superbalicious was suggesting... I think (& in my opinion I'm quite sure that) FWD with a set of decent winter tyres is far better than any 4WD on normal tyres. 4WD with winter tyres is obviously the best/safest combination!

Having lived in Germany for nearly 6 years I used winter tyres every year & I can only say the difference between winter & summer tyres on snow & ice is mind blowing!!! Personally I can't see that 4WD will really prove its worth... but I know there will be few on here that will tell me I'm wrong... eh AL?? :p

I have a feeling that you're heading for a 4WD with DSG & 140bhp & Panoramic sunroof....!?! Just get the winter tyres too & you'll have an absolute peach.

Just to add... although I'm not sure (someone will correct me) but I think the 140 DSG is different (its a dry instead of wet) gearbox & it might even be 7 speed. Its meant to be a better system (I drove one once & I felt it was smoother than then 170 DSG). an extra gear (possibly) better technology & all the gadgets... I reckon that's sold! Go place the order tomorrow!!!

Enjoy

Stef

I have a 170 DSG FWD which I got just beore the bad weather started and to be honest I had no problems with a bit of sensible driving (and my office is in Hull). I can see a reason for 4WD if you live in the sticks etc but why pay for the extra fuel consumption and associated costs for 4WD for a possible benifit a few day every couple of years (my opinion!) If your that worried get a set of winter tyres or snow socks.

I do about 40 to 50K a year and so far I have nothing but praise for the 170 DSG but you do need to keep an eye on the speedo. performance to fuel economy is very good,and the car is very good on long runs, recently did Milton Keynes to St Austell and back in a day and was comfy all the way

But first real test coming up at the weekend, doing an exhibition in Dublin next week so the car will be rear seat down, fully loaded with exhibition gear and 2 up, test loaded it last week and dont need the roofbox this time and still have room for our luggage!

Edited 25 March, 201115 yr by kensym

I had the same problem in terms of decision. What to go for: 170 in Manual, 4x4 or DSG. I didn't fancy the 140 with both 4x4 and DSG, noting that mpg and road tax band were both less favourable. I suspect a 170 4x4 with DSG, if and when it's offered, would only be more so - great fun to drive but a little more pricey both ways.

Hence I plumbed for the 170 DSG. The order went straight in when I found out that the panoramic roof was available (as of 8 Mar). I've been waiting since 15 May 10, so I wasn't going to hang around! Since then, Skoda has removed the option of Storm Blue metallic paint....guess what my choice was? Great... I'm assuming that there will still be a blue offered sooner or later (at least before my car goes to build) but nothing seen yet. Otherwise it will be back to Amethyst Purple or Steel Grey. Intend to invest in winter tyres, too.

I hope also to be doing some towing in the summer and have seen nothing to suggest that the DSG would not be good at this also.

AH

Hi

My criteria for a replacement for my Audi All-Road were quite simple: big estate; auto; 4 wheel drive; ability to tow a caravan; space and enough power to make driving fun and not cost too much.

Looked at Audis, which I love but cost too much, £42k for same spec as my V6!

Looked at Mercs, as above V expensive both to purchase and service.

Looked at used Range Rovers now they do like a drink and go wrong a lot!

Looked at secondhand BMW M5 touring and Audi S6 (cant tow with RS6) very tempted and test drove the M5 but while very rapid did not like the SMG box plus no 4 wheeldrive.

So to the Superb, to get all I wanted the only option was the 3.6 V6 (man logic). I felt the 140 would lack power, no 170 available with 4wd and DSG plus 6 months wait, then the icing on the cake, VAT free (well 20% off petrol cars) that sealed the deal.

Now I know its not The most economical motor in the world but as I only do about 10k miles per year, have use of two other cars (wifes Fiat 500 great for town work) the MPG is not a major issue, consumption about the same as current Audi and no problems with diesel filters clogging or dealer using wrong oil.

Also with the Massive cut in fuel costs post budget now even less of an issue!

Thanks for all of your replies!

And some very valid points and now I am perplexed, I had read about the winter tyres option and new it would make a difference. Just didnt think it would be as compeling an arquement as opposed to 4x4. Seems like many of you have gone this option with great results. Winter tyres are a relative new concept on these shores. With sales of winter tyres this year huge in comparison to last. I now have something serious to consider especially as my drive in the 170 did put a smile on my face .

I am very fuel conscious working for myself and with the 4x4 option I had taken into consideration of the fuel arguement. One of the reason for the 4x4 thought wasnt just because of the last winter. Its just the fact that a lot of my work takes me into the peak district, north yorkshire moors and the dales etc. Where the roads are not always the best and the thought of a sure footing underneath seemed a good option?

As for the DSG, I thought it was such a smooth box. Finding it hard to comprehend how many times the car had changed gear without me realising! Ive got to admit I have been chomping at the bit wanting to order the car. I think I will still test the 140 next week (just want another drive in a superb really) then make my mind up.

If theres anyone who wants to put up the arguement for the 140DSG 4x4 then feel free to really confuse me. Gut feeling at the moment which I cant believe really is 170DSG!?! Yes I cant believe it myself !

Theres no substitute for having the car and getting to feel how it really drives, as opposed to a spin through test drive spectacles. Thanks once again I appreciate all your help.

I've tried both 140 PS and and 170 PS. They didn't had both in 4x4, and honestly I forgot which had 4x4 since I didn't felt difference regarding 4x4 drive. I think that everyone will opt for 170 PS because you really feel the difference, especially on motorway. And if you leave for test drive to make final decision, you will probably will be more impressed with 170. However I am currently driving C4 Picasso 110 PS, which is slower than both version (same weight as Superb), and after lot of thinking I have realized that I am satisfied with 110 PS.

Yes, it is always nice to feel extra oomph, and I know that benefits of 4x4 will last mostly one month during year, and on top of that I don't really need DSG as I drive mostly on motorway in 6th. But I have decided for 140 4x4 DSG! For that one month of the year, I will pass by stuck BMW, Mercs, which have much more power even than 170 PS. I figured out that this configuration will give me peace of mind, not just for that month, but for every unpredicted situation (slippery wet leafs in autumn, gravel in curves in rocky mountains, oil spills on roads etc...). ESP would save youe life in all those situation as well, like it did for me, but each accident took me year of life

4x4 will add one more layer of security and hopefully all this situations I had been, wouldn't be worth of mentioning and noticing... DSG is mostly for comfort, but again it is proved that it does help in reaction of driver in stressful situations - one less thing to think about. And to me 30 PS difference isn't worth of all this. But again, if someone asked me after test drive to rate what was power difference I would say it was almost twice more powerful engine.

On the end it is all up to you... do you favor security, comfort or performance and speed. I would go for 170 4x4 DSG for sure, but I would never consider anything more powerful. I don't recognize and feel Superb as performance brand, whatever it delivers. And I would probably go for A6, BMW 5 or Mercedes if that was what I need. Superb can't mach any of these in handling even with similar power. But again, my priorities are different I want comfy, secure and peaceful drive and 140 will deliver it.

I still didn't got it, this week it left factory and I am awaiting dealer to call

Hi!

As I'm looking for a new company car, I shortlisted Škoda (together with Saab) for obvious reasons.

Took two models for a spin on Friday: 140PS DSG 4x4 Estate and 170PS DSG Estate.

To be honest I liked the 4x4 more. Why - when taking off at the traffic lights in a haste, 4x4 had no issues, but in FWD I heard the wheelspin a lot before I got off... Of course 170 is more powerful, especially on motorways/autobahns, but there's a cure.

DSG is a bit clunky and not as fast as I expected, but when shifting to 'S', it helps a lot transforming the car into more alert and prepared state and making it more responsive when driving more actively.

Of course here, where I live, we get a lot of snow, so a 4x4 with higher ground clearance and belly protection is quite in place. And also in summertime with 3500lbs trailer or on a slipway 4x4 can be appreciated.

And what relates to winter tires, might be funny for you to hear us having two sets of wheels/tires, but it's equally funny for me to hear the discussion about the usefulness of winter tires. For us it's mandatory to have from November til March proper winter tires and we rather have a dilemma between normal and studded ones. So sure - I'd always have proper winter tires in locations where the roads are not black for 365 days. (Never mind the extra cost as added comfort and safety are much more important - they can't actually be compared)

Also - who is too worried about the underpowered/-performing 140PS - You can always upgrade your car with an MTM chip, which gives 170PS/380NM, so for an extra ~£825.- (fitted) one can get better torqued 4x4 and still retain the official warranty.

And call me a bit posh but when possible I like to have the sunroof (or as 'the British fat cousins over the Atlantic' call it 'a lunar roof' ), for us it has been as an option for a while (just like the 4x4 DSG). True, it was taken off for a little while but no it's back. And as our summer temps. can go up to 30-35 degrees on occasions I feel a solar roof with independent cooling is quite in place when car is not running.

Hope this was of some help to other readers.

Cheers,

Jannes

The UK 4x4 is no higher than a standard Superb. We have no options over here to raise the height. - Apart from the badges, there is no exterior difference.

The 4x4 Handles better, is far safer to drive in all conditions, and in the winter months, it's been fantastic with winter tyres attached.

It's averaging around 44mpg, this includes all kinds of driving over the past 10 months, but this is fine for me. (we've achieved 56mpg on a motorway only run, and regularly achieve 50+ at around 70mph)

The 140 DSG 4x4 wasnt available when i bought mine, but it may have been a good option for me (altho the 170 engine and manual box are a very good combination)

Personally, i will not purchase another car, without a 4 wheel drive system, even the wifes next car will have 4 wheel drive!

Al.

Al says it all.

Winter tyres with 4x4 is just brilliant.

On summer tyres the handling is outstanding.

I would have gone for DSG if available, but the manual box is sweet.

Phil

The UK 4x4 is no higher than a standard Superb. We have no options over here to raise the height. - Apart from the badges, there is no exterior difference.

The 4x4 Handles better, is far safer to drive in all conditions, and in the winter months, it's been fantastic with winter tyres attached.

It's averaging around 44mpg, this includes all kinds of driving over the past 10 months, but this is fine for me. (we've achieved 56mpg on a motorway only run, and regularly achieve 50+ at around 70mph)

The 140 DSG 4x4 wasnt available when i bought mine, but it may have been a good option for me (altho the 170 engine and manual box are a very good combination)

Personally, i will not purchase another car, without a 4 wheel drive system, even the wifes next car will have 4 wheel drive!

Al.

Thanks Al,

In the last 90k I have averaged 48/50 MPG with a heavily laden car. The MPG you've been getting (which I would take any day of the week) was it with much of a load? As a service engineer I have everything in my car just in case! And one of the superb selling points was the boot. So am hoping to fill the back and not to have to use the back seat.

Tomorrow I take the 140 out for a spin so should be much closer to a descision I hope. I will let you know how it compares to my 150Bhp Vectra.

Thanks Al,

In the last 90k I have averaged 48/50 MPG with a heavily laden car. The MPG you've been getting (which I would take any day of the week) was it with much of a load? As a service engineer I have everything in my car just in case! And one of the superb selling points was the boot. So am hoping to fill the back and not to have to use the back seat.

Tomorrow I take the 140 out for a spin so should be much closer to a descision I hope. I will let you know how it compares to my 150Bhp Vectra.

Hi Pool Man,

My previous car was the Vectra Design Est. 1.9L 150bhp & I would say that the Vectra may feel (IMO) like it has a little more grunt from 2-3000rpm (I was always very impressed with the engine) but the ride & how sure footed the Superb feels (& this is probably a VAG trait) is far superior to the Vectra.

You may notice the Superb is a little more narrow than the Vectra and personally I would say the boot is not bigger in terms of floor space but its higher (well the load cover is higher) & therefore it has a greater volume - it depends upon how much space you need & if its extra height under the load cover that you need.

HOWEVER... in the rear, the amount of leg room is really mind blowing! The Superb isn't longer than any other large family car/estate & somehow they've magically found about another 6 inches of space.... where from? How? Why can't the others do it? Who knows... with kids in the back its great they can barely reach the back of the front seats

I have a feeling you may still need the rear seats down, depending upon how much more space you need & this may be a little fiddly - having to lift the base up first (in an unusual manner - you'll see). What you may find disappointing is that there is only a dog-guard and no luggage net option ie. one that can also be put behind the front seats if you have the seats down & full of equipment - for safety reasons you may have to find some sort of safety barrier - does anyone know of one??

Mind you in the boot, the side compartments really are a very useful size - they may make the difference. I have no doubt you will like the car especially the ride! and the motor its a peach... as others will no doubt confirm its just a silky smooth seamless power delivery from just over 1000rpm and upwards, I've not been much higher than 3500rpm yet as I've only done about 1500 miles so far. What you will no doubt find a very refreshing change is that you can pull off into traffic without suffering any "lull" in power. I found my Vectra's power always faded a little just as I pulled off - unless I gave it a healthy bootful of revs - not with the Superb

It'll be interesting to hear how you get on, I hope you enjoy it.

Regards

Stef

I have a feeling you may still need the rear seats down, depending upon how much more space you need & this may be a little fiddly - having to lift the base up first (in an unusual manner - you'll see). What you may find disappointing is that there is only a dog-guard and no luggage net option ie. one that can also be put behind the front seats if you have the seats down & full of equipment - for safety reasons you may have to find some sort of safety barrier - does anyone know of one??

According to my dealer, if I order the luggage net option from factory it can also be put behind the front seats. (It then comes with roof mounting "things" behind the front seats)

According to my dealer, if I order the luggage net option from factory it can also be put behind the front seats. (It then comes with roof mounting "things" behind the front seats)

Hi Garou,

in some countries in Europe (or the world) this is available... but sadly just not in the UK :'(

Very odd & I think a very bad decision!

Regards

Stef

Thanks Al,

In the last 90k I have averaged 48/50 MPG with a heavily laden car. The MPG you've been getting (which I would take any day of the week) was it with much of a load? As a service engineer I have everything in my car just in case! And one of the superb selling points was the boot. So am hoping to fill the back and not to have to use the back seat.

Tomorrow I take the 140 out for a spin so should be much closer to a descision I hope. I will let you know how it compares to my 150Bhp Vectra.

My boot's usually full of stuff.

a 25kg printer + 5kg of media, + a second car battery, + TV screen, + tripods etc etc. (it's also got the spare wheel and jack) and i try never to run below 1/4 tank to be honest! - i would have thought i would be well on the way to your weight... My car does get driven hard (ish, keeping well within speed limits) as i need to be places at certain times, and i'm sure a better MPG could be achieved if i treat her a bit easier!

Al.

Hi Pool Man,

My previous car was the Vectra Design Est. 1.9L 150bhp & I would say that the Vectra may feel (IMO) like it has a little more grunt from 2-3000rpm (I was always very impressed with the engine) but the ride & how sure footed the Superb feels (& this is probably a VAG trait) is far superior to the Vectra.

You may notice the Superb is a little more narrow than the Vectra and personally I would say the boot is not bigger in terms of floor space but its higher (well the load cover is higher) & therefore it has a greater volume - it depends upon how much space you need & if its extra height under the load cover that you need.

HOWEVER... in the rear, the amount of leg room is really mind blowing! The Superb isn't longer than any other large family car/estate & somehow they've magically found about another 6 inches of space.... where from? How? Why can't the others do it? Who knows... with kids in the back its great they can barely reach the back of the front seats

I have a feeling you may still need the rear seats down, depending upon how much more space you need & this may be a little fiddly - having to lift the base up first (in an unusual manner - you'll see). What you may find disappointing is that there is only a dog-guard and no luggage net option ie. one that can also be put behind the front seats if you have the seats down & full of equipment - for safety reasons you may have to find some sort of safety barrier - does anyone know of one??

Mind you in the boot, the side compartments really are a very useful size - they may make the difference. I have no doubt you will like the car especially the ride! and the motor its a peach... as others will no doubt confirm its just a silky smooth seamless power delivery from just over 1000rpm and upwards, I've not been much higher than 3500rpm yet as I've only done about 1500 miles so far. What you will no doubt find a very refreshing change is that you can pull off into traffic without suffering any "lull" in power. I found my Vectra's power always faded a little just as I pulled off - unless I gave it a healthy bootful of revs - not with the Superb

It'll be interesting to hear how you get on, I hope you enjoy it.

Regards

Stef

I know what you mean about the "lull" it always seems to happen just when you dont need it. Im sure the extra height will make all the difference, but knowing me i'll just put extra in the boot.

Not long now till I take the 140 for a spin!

My boot's usually full of stuff.

a 25kg printer + 5kg of media, + a second car battery, + TV screen, + tripods etc etc. (it's also got the spare wheel and jack) and i try never to run below 1/4 tank to be honest! - i would have thought i would be well on the way to your weight... My car does get driven hard (ish, keeping well within speed limits) as i need to be places at certain times, and i'm sure a better MPG could be achieved if i treat her a bit easier!

Al.

Im always watching the clock but can be very thrifty when I want with fuel. Especially when i've let it run a little low on fuel. Luckily its not very often but when your in the middle of knowhere and you cant find a petrol station. Im sure people have had that feeling of relief when one appears on the horizon Will give the boot a good look today and see how much space I have. Thanks ukcruiser very useful info.

May be worth having a chat with Ben at Shark performace to see what he could do for you, regarding a remap, which should take you upto about 170bhp and then you have the best of both worlds.

May be worth having a chat with Ben at Shark performace to see what he could do for you, regarding a remap, which should take you upto about 170bhp and then you have the best of both worlds.

It's not just the electronics holding the 140 back tho. There is physical differences too, such as a bigger turbo for starters. I would be worried about the long-term effects of a significant power increase re-map... (not to mention additional stress on transmission, void warranty & additional insurance premiums due to performance enhancing modification...) Hence, why i bought the engine i wanted, which i'm sure VAG has tested to destruction on many, many occasions.

Al.

ps. Just my 2p of course; please check with dealers over their thoughts on remapping cars...

Edited 29 March, 201115 yr by ukcruiser

Well today was the test drive of the 140. How did I get on?

As I walked in the salesman seemed surprised to see me. It turns out someone on site had let the demonstrator out to a customer and not told the salesman. :( So all of my excitement at maybe finding the car I was looking for, has been put on hold until at least next week now because of my work commitments.

However the salesman has said I can have it for a couple of hours when I go back. Which when your spending superb money should really be the least. You cant really get to see how it feels with the salesman sat next to you for 20 mins.

So back to sitting around patiently until i'm let loose next week. I had thought about a re map for the 140, but was not sure how I would stand with warranty,insurance and with the contract hire company. So will do a bit of investigation into that, it will keep me busy until next week.

Well a change of plan today, following a cancelled service call today it left me with time on my hands. So a quick call to the dealer to see if I could take the superb out for the test drive I missed out on yesterday. So I hot footed it down to try out the 140 Bhp superb which they had on a 60 plate. The next two hours enabled me to get a good feel for the car, Motorway, A+B roads, traffic jams, twisty roads you name it I tried it. After a short while it came apparent this was the car for me, so I continued seeing just how I would the superb and I would get along. All looked great, however I came across a problem which I never would have expected and have not even heard of....

After about an hour of driving I started to get a pain in the side of my right thigh. This was being caused by the seat base continually pressing into my leg. What I noticed was the seat position is slightly offset to the left of the steering wheel, this means I was sitting slighly over to the right of the seat. My thigh was continually pressing on the seat side support of the base. I tried moving over to the left but after a while of driving, changing gear, pressing the accelerator etc I found myself back over on the right side of the seat base. After a while it became annoying and started to fustrate me. The seat base is only small (at least in comparison to my Vectra) and before you ask Im only a slighlty built guy and could probably do with a little more meat on me if anything.

When I took it back and told the salesman, he had never come across this before. I tried another new superb and the seat was the same, I tried the original demo 170 Bhp which I had taken out back in oct/nov time, the demonstrator had about 20K on the clock and the seat base was fine. It seems that the right hand side of the base had bedded in with all the getting in and out of the car. If I was buying the demo car I would be over the moon with the car. But a new superb is another story, if its causing me discomfort from new, firstly could I cope with the discomfort knowing it would bed in eventually. And secondly how long would it take to bed in?

To say I was gutted was an understatement as I had expected to say yes to the salesman today and be eagerly awaiting my new Superb Estate 140 4x4 DSG in approx 6months time. At the moment I know that if I had to get into the car and take one of my average daily drives I would be in discomfort after a short time. I felt as I drove back to the dealer was I complaining over nothing, but if your spending 25+K on a car it must be a comfortable drive from the start. I even suggested to the salesman about taking the seat into a coach trimmer to see if they could help me. I had a friend who had to do that with a passat a few years ago. I suppose this is what a test drive is for and to highlight any issues. At the moment I dont no what to do. I know the superb is a great car but I also have this issue. How can I get past this problem? How long before the seat beds in? Has anyone had this issue?

If anyone can help me out I would be eternally grateful.

8,000km into my CR170 4x4 and I'm getting 38mpg, average.