I am aware that the vrs, evo X, wrx have 2.0T engines however from standstill a vrs would get it's butt kicked. I guess this is because the other two have more bhp, torgue and perhaps are geared differently.

Would a remapped vrs outperform either of these cars from a rolling start at say 40 or 50? Is it just a case that these cars will eat up the vrs everytime unless it's heavily modded?

I ask because both cars have tried to get me to race them and as a responsible driver I have let them through, begrudgingly!

I am curious to know why these two cars are so superior, performance wise with a similar engine size and how easily a vrs can be modded to compete.

Thanks guys

It all depends which version of the Scooby or Evo it is. My VRS stage 1 can easily out run the normal wrx in gears, however from the line and in the wet/damp the 4wd cars will always have the edge. If you are taking on an STi or Evo 300 or above then you are going to need to spend some serious cash on the VRS as they are very quick! You would need ideally a Stage 3 remap, K04 turbo, injectors, uprated intercooler, HPFP, intake, Sports DP and exhaust, uprated supension, ARBs uprated brakes, LSD, uprated clutch and flywheel and some other mods Ive forgotten to add. That would see in the region of 340ish bhp but again it would still only be 2wd and the 4wd would have the edge on transmitting the power to the road. It can be done but costs roughly 5k to do?

I am aware that the vrs, evo X, wrx have 2.0T engines however from standstill a vrs would get it's butt kicked. I guess this is because the other two have more bhp, torgue and perhaps are geared differently.

Would a remapped vrs outperform either of these cars from a rolling start at say 40 or 50? Is it just a case that these cars will eat up the vrs everytime unless it's heavily modded?

I ask because both cars have tried to get me to race them and as a responsible driver I have let them through, begrudgingly!

I am curious to know why these two cars are so superior, performance wise with a similar engine size and how easily a vrs can be modded to compete.

Thanks guys

This is like comparing apples and oranges surely?

For a start, they have a MASSIVE turbo, and are highly strung engines which need to be looked after. 4000 mile services intervals spring to mind for the Evo.

Just because they have the same engine capacity doesn't really mean a thing. F1 engines are only 2.4L remember...

This is like comparing apples and oranges surely?

For a start, they have a MASSIVE turbo, and are highly strung engines which need to be looked after. 4000 mile services intervals spring to mind for the Evo.

Just because they have the same engine capacity doesn't really mean a thing. F1 engines are only 2.4L remember...

True

So all the components mentioned above are the kind of things these cars have that the vrs doesn't which therefore justifies the price and power difference?

Perhaps yes it's like orange and apples, I'm just curious to know the differences

At the end of the day they're in a higher league than any Octavia.

I have a vRS modded to the standard described above and I don't feel as if I could take either a Subaru or Evo.

Off the line the vRS is useless and of course it's only FWD so traction will always be a problem with 340bhp 350lbft.

I used to have a remapped 54 plate WRX with 270bhp. Of the line it was awesome with zero wheel spin and a 0-60 time of around 5 sec. However, after 40, I honestly feel that my current vRS is quicker. It certainly out handles it after the few modifications I have made as a standard WRX understeers badly. However, as already mentioned, EVO and Sti's in different league and most are modified as well.

At the end of the day they're in a higher league than any Octavia.

I have a vRS modded to the standard described above and I don't feel as if I could take either a Subaru or Evo.

Off the line the vRS is useless and of course it's only FWD so traction will always be a problem with 340bhp 350lbft.

I dont see why you couldnt keep up with all of the above maybe with the exception of an FQ400? the power output is what counts and your in a similar league...off the line you have a valid point getting power down is a lot harder but then again when do standing start races take place these days (with the exception of drag 1/4mile runs)

Mid range you should be better I would have thought even up to a 360bhp evo! The have permenant AWD and the transmission loss is greater for them than just FWD so ideally anywhere from 30-40mph upwards you should be faster. This is my view of things anyway.

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Let's not fool ourselves here, you may stand a chance against a poverty spec scooby or evo in a modded VRS, but the decent models you have no chance. They have way more power in all areas and even with the added transmission loss from 4WD/AWD they'll be off the line quicker and pulling higher torque so will out pace you as a result. You could mod the VRS to try and close the gap but why bother, different cars for different purposes. Also worth noting that many EVOs and Scooby are modified and closing the gap on std spec would be difficult/expensive enough.

I'm surprised an Evo or Scooby driver would even see an Octavia as a challenge. (Unless they knew about Harrys! )I'm pretty certain even the basic Scooby turbo puts out 220ish BHP?

There's a few things to consider, most mentioned already,but also:

Weight-I haven't looked at figures, but I'd be almost certain the ricers would be lighter?

Gearing-AFAIK most Scoobys and Evos have very close ratio boxes for manic acceleration, the downside being they cruise at higher revs?

rob_e on here has a TSI VRS Estate and also a new 2011 WRX STI-be interesting to hear his views!

I think the thing is scoobys and evos are well known for being quick and thats what they are made for, they even look quick. Whereas the vrs is in my opinion is slightly understated, this makes for very good fun by way of supprise. The number of bmws i have left shocked is great. Puts a smile on my face every time. They look and think is that really a skoda!!!!

Harry what 1/4 miles times have you run if any?

worth noting the Octy is lighter too...so an FQ360 which actually puts out 345bhp (I think) so less power than harrys, then it has more transmission loss, then its heavier, im really struggling to see why these are so far apart? a standard/stg1/stg2 octy arent in the same league IMO but harrys would be very very close based on the figures I can make out?

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I've never been to a drag strip in it Danny so I don't really know. I might try and take a video later of the performance at my local runway.

My car has made around 360bhp 350lbft on some dynos, and 330bhp 340lbft on others, so there is a bit of debate what it actually makes but I like to say it's a good 340bhp.

I agree I have less transmission loss and less weight because of the lack of a 4wd system. So in a straight line, once rolling, I'm pretty sure I could keep up if not take a Scooby or Evo in standard form.

Through the bends I'm not sure the vRS would be a match however.

I've never been to a drag strip in it Danny so I don't really know. I might try and take a video later of the performance at my local runway.

My car has made around 360bhp 350lbft on some dynos, and 330bhp 340lbft on others, so there is a bit of debate what it actually makes but I like to say it's a good 340bhp.

I agree I have less transmission loss and less weight because of the lack of a 4wd system. So in a straight line, once rolling, I'm pretty sure I could keep up if not take a Scooby or Evo in standard form.

Through the bends I'm not sure the vRS would be a match however.

Yeh thats all i was getting at...FWD has to be better than AWD especially the likes of an evo, ive kinda opened a can of worms on my facebook now though lol

I used to have a remapped 54 plate WRX with 270bhp. Of the line it was awesome with zero wheel spin and a 0-60 time of around 5 sec. However, after 40, I honestly feel that my current vRS is quicker. It certainly out handles it after the few modifications I have made as a standard WRX understeers badly. However, as already mentioned, EVO and Sti's in different league and most are modified as well.

I had an STI before i got the octy,sometimes i miss it and was great fun having a blast.I miss that scoop+the boxer engine,don't think the neighbours miss the burble sound though at 4 am

My 2.0 TDI PD140 (custom mapped) was quicker when rolling all the way to top speed than a local (standard) Subaru Imprezza WRX (bug eye) they aint as quick as they sound, he was gutted lol

I had an STI before i got the octy,sometimes i miss it and was great fun having a blast.I miss that scoop+the boxer engine,don't think the neighbours miss the burble sound though at 4 am

I had the Turbo 2000 model back a few years ago, seriously quick off the line.

The burble sound was amazing alright, nearly the same addictive sound when the Honda Vtec Cam comes into play.

I've now has my vRS 4 years and love it, I've surprised one Scooby driver one day at the lights, he just thought I wouldn't dare try but I was cheeky. Result I was ready and he wasn't.....

He's was like a bear as he tried to catch up then but I took the next left and he had to go straight..

Make no mistake I know if he was ready also I was dead in the water at the lights....

Sometimes you get weird results with other cars.

Guy in an X6 (not sure what engine but whatever the engine size, they're all quicker on paper than a standard Vrs) was in front of me going through some roadworks. Got out the other side and he floored it and it looked pretty rapid for a bloater so i did the same just for fun.

Had to move out to overtake On paper even the baby 3.0 x6 should eat a standard Vrs.

Another one was an Audi TT-S after i'd had my stage 1 remap - it should have left me for dust but going up a long straight slip road it wasn't really pulling away by anything significant despite the noise coming from it (how come their exhausts sound better than ours )

I don't really do much of that kind of thing and i know there's tons of sleepers that would surprise our cars too. I was just a bit shocked that the Vrs did so well. Got to be partly the DSG gearbox though.

Really interesting reading here, glad I started this thread and glad for everyone's contributions thus far. I'm not going to try and mod my vrs like Harrys as I can't afford it with the family etc but I would love to know what it drives like.

I mainly started the thread as I was surprised at the difference in outputs from a 2.0T engine. My car knowledge is limited but growing.

I've posted this a few times but this might give you an idea of what it's like (I know it's a poor video)

Harry - why have you chosen to do all these mods rather than just buy a better car? Hope this doesn't sound like I'm criticising because I'm not.

i had a boxster couple of years back and it was quick off the go as it was so light and was good handling. however i am new to the vrs seen and only had my vrs a week although i have done 500 miles in it already giving it some blasts along the way. i think going through the gears from say 30 or 40 to around 70 it is blistering.

that is how i feel in it anyway, but i certainly feel it is a quick car and have had a few blasts with some bmw's and audi's this week and it was certainly surprising.

fast car as standard, never going to be a scooby or evo but then if i wanted to buy a scooby or evo i would have. vrs is understated as someone has mentioned and turns more heads for being a nice sporty car for the right reasons and not for sounding too over the top which i think the scoobies and evos can.

just my thoughts but i think the vrs can hold its own at certain speeds with some quick cars.

Harry - why have you chosen to do all these mods rather than just buy a better car? Hope this doesn't sound like I'm criticising because I'm not.

Qualify 'better'?

Impreza STi and Evo are quicker yes, but in my opinion, overall the vRS is the better car for my money.

My mate has an Evo and it's not particularly well put together, it manages about 220 miles to a tank and about 18mpg. I certainly couldn't live with that.

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Also don't like the image of Imprezas and Evos but each to their own!

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Harry - why have you chosen to do all these mods rather than just buy a better car? Hope this doesn't sound like I'm criticising because I'm not.

I was 19 when I bought my vRS new, and it was the best car I could buy at the time. You could argue why not buy a second hand, cheaper car with better performance but that's what I wanted at the time.

I guess I just caught the mod bug and one thing has led to another over the 4.5years I've owned it. You up the power then brakes need doing, then it's the clutch etc etc.

Also, it's nice to have something people can admire with the work done to it. Would I do it all over again though? Hell no, it's a waste of money lol