Hi,

Sorry guys but I was wondering what is the easiest and most undetectable way of upgrading the VRS a bit

For power?

A remap.

For power?

A remap.

yes, but from where, what is the best company?

Hi,

Sorry guys but I was wondering what is the easiest and most undetectable way of upgrading the VRS a bit

Depends what you mean by 'undetectable'. Most things can be detected if you know what to look for.

yes, but from where, what is the best company?

Shark Performance. Great maps, great service.

yes, but from where, what is the best company?

Revo. Agents can be found nationwide but I had mine done at Awesome GTi in Manchester.

+1 for Shark Performance, their Stage 1 map on my TSI is awesome

I am really pleased with my shark remap as well. To be honest though whatever you do will be detectable. See sharks website for more info. Plus if you are doing it to avoid an insurance increase then you are a bit silly as it's not worth the risk.

Another one for Shark here!

Why does it have to be undetectable? You need to inform your insurance company of any performance improvements made, if you do not you will effectively be uninsured and they may not pay out any claim. As above it is not worth the risk (especially since if anything does happen like that your insurance will be sky high from then on).

Buy a M3. People won't know it's a VRS.

Hi all having had 'other' remaps much favoured and often recommended here I have gone down the Revo route for my TSI VRS.

I can't recommend Revo enough very powerful with mpg unchanged. My car was flashed by MDM Technik, VAG specialist near Marlow great guys very knowledgeable and professional. At 'Motorway' speeds the Revo performance increase compared to other remaps is huge - recommended!

However, to be balanced Revo is likely to be pushing the tiny IHI turbo to its limits so if anybody is nervous around longevity APR may be an alternative - less powerful but smoother than Revo from previous experiences.

Hi all having had 'other' remaps much favoured and often recommended here I have gone down the Revo route for my TSI VRS.

I can't recommend Revo enough very powerful with mpg unchanged. My car was flashed by MDM Technik, VAG specialist near Marlow great guys very knowledgeable and professional. At 'Motorway' speeds the Revo performance increase compared to other remaps is huge - recommended!

However, to be balanced Revo is likely to be pushing the tiny IHI turbo to its limits so if anybody is nervous around longevity APR may be an alternative - less powerful but smoother than Revo from previous experiences.

Without wishing to start a row on here and in no way dissing those of you with Revo maps but- Revo specs need to be taken with a little pinch of salt. Professional company with a good reputation but "people in the know" will always say the same thing - Revo puff out their chests a little more than they should.

Without wishing to start a row on here and in no way dissing those of you with Revo maps but- Revo specs need to be taken with a little pinch of salt. Professional company with a good reputation but "people in the know" will always say the same thing - Revo puff out their chests a little more than they should.

fight lol.

Without wishing to start a row on here and in no way dissing those of you with Revo maps but- Revo specs need to be taken with a little pinch of salt. Professional company with a good reputation but "people in the know" will always say the same thing - Revo puff out their chests a little more than they should.

Could those people in the know be competitors of Revo with inferior products perhaps?

Could those people in the know be competitors of Revo with inferior products perhaps?

Some of them yes, not all of them though

Some of them yes, not all of them though

I'm not aware of a better product being available

Top choices for me are either shark or APR, then P-Torque, then jabba, superchips, giac and lastly revo. I know LOTS of guys who have left revo due to issues and lack of customer service. Many people have issues with maps on cars, but its how their tuners dels with them after that matters. Once revo have your money your on your own.

This is an example of a thread on scn where re vo still refuse to accept their map was the issue despite other tints using his cr nd not having the issues

QUOTE=Varnak;3581443]Hi Kev,

I still dont see what is so hard to understand.

Your quotes mean nothing, any car has bad batches or problems with specific parts.

The problem with Revo comes up with cars that have been repeadeatly given a clean bill of health by main SEAT dealers (whixh are in several cases REVO dealers as well). The same car is working *fine* with Unitronic and you keep pressing the point that its the car's fault my friend? Please.

At the end of the day if you so strongly believe that these cars are so untrustworthy and have design flaws you should have never released a product that makes it worst, or retract it with an apology now Kev. A lot of us that trusted your brand have gone through hell trying to sort out our cars and had a lot of help from main dealers, not revo as you understand that the remap (which is fully detectable) voids the engine warranty.

I urge you to look into the *possibility* of your SW having glitches, it cannot be a coincidence that all these cars face problems...

Save the rest of the hassle of a ruined engine...

PS: even now you have not even bothered to ask me from my loggings or an email resend! what would you assume if you were me?

Having the fastest most powerful remap is great till you engine blows and the tuners response is its the car not the map

Edited 30 July, 201114 yr by janner_Sy

DNA tuning, APR, Revo, Shark, P-torque in that order would be my choice.

Top choices for me are either shark or APR, then P-Torque, then jabba, superchips, giac and lastly revo. I know LOTS of guys who have left revo due to issues and lack of customer service. Many people have issues with maps on cars, but its how their tuners dels with them after that matters. Once revo have your money your on your own.

This is an example of a thread on scn where re vo still refuse to accept their map was the issue despite other tints using his cr nd not having the issues

Having the fastest most powerful remap is great till you engine blows and the tuners response is its the car not the map

I have been reading that thread and I think it's a bit unfair to copy one post without giving the full context and background of the rest of the thread including the comments made by the Revo guys. It appears that that engine (1.4 TSI Twincharger) does have a number of common faults and that Revo have told dealers not to flash with Revo software until any of those issues identified on a particular car have been resolved. Personally speaking, if the guy with the issue spoke to me like that I wouldn't break my back replying to him either.

Link to full thread http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=312943

Guys - at the end of the day Revo >IS< a reputable and professional company but like every other company, they get things wrong sometimes. The mark of a good company is how they deal with the fallout and deal with rectifying the situation. I have no doubt that Revo can be trusted to "fix things" should there be an issue and to be fair, I woult think thety would be better than many others in this rrspect.

My original posting stated that they do tend to over-inflate their figures a tad

Jonno, I would be more than happy to have a Revo map on my vehicle but given the choice, I would probably go for Shark in preference. That said, Ben is a bloody long way from Brighton so I'd have to figure in the additonal cost and mileage because the STS is not available for my CR

Guys - at the end of the day Revo >IS< a reputable and professional company but like every other company, they get things wrong sometimes. The mark of a good company is how they deal with the fallout and deal with rectifying the situation. I have no doubt that Revo can be trusted to "fix things" should there be an issue and to be fair, I woult think thety would be better than many others in this rrspect.

My original posting stated that they do tend to over-inflate their figures a tad

Jonno, I would be more than happy to have a Revo map on my vehicle but given the choice, I would probably go for Shark in preference. That said, Ben is a bloody long way from Brighton so I'd have to figure in the additonal cost and mileage because the STS is not available for my CR

Some good points, but who doesn't over inflate their vital stats!

Why shark then? I would be interested to hear anyone's thoughts who have run both shark and revo on the same car, preferably a vrs tsi. How do you rate the different maps and were there any issues with either and how were they resolved?

Edit I am not interested in how good anyone thinks of either if it is the only one you have tried as you don't have anything to compare to

Edited 31 July, 201114 yr by Guest

But your missing the point. Revo refuse to accept its the map causing the issue on his car, so are offering little help other than telling him the/ usual revo sketch of 'its not the map, its the car. But with unitronic he has none of the issues he does with therevo map so it can't be the car.

What about carl, his car with stage 2+ revo wouldn't make good figures at all. He spent a few changing parts on his car to no avail on the reccomendation of revo, but when he reverted back to stage 2 his car made more power, then without removing his car from the rollers they put the stage 2+ map back and alas...less power. Guess what.....revo srptill denied it even though they're dealer who is widely renowned in the tfsi scene agreed it wasn't the car at fault, they still denied the map was at fault.

DomT on his ed30 and a fair few others on the other forums I use, had revo light their dash up with ECL. Again revo map allegedly not at fault, yet bluefin shark, pdt and APR work without engine management lights.

Ibizaracebrake off SCN had his entire engine blow, his tuner believed the injectors were strugling to flow the amount of fuel asked of them hence melted pistons. Again its not their fault. Loads of 1.4tsi issues revo blame fuel, conditions etc for some issues, and hardware for others. This is a dificult one as there re some inherent issues, but again guys with other remaps like apr, shark, p-torque aren't having these big issues and tbh if we did, we'd get a little support from our tuners.

As said in the other thread and nmany before, revo are nearly alwys the top performers. But at what expense, maybe their map is just better, ir maybe/ tthey out things to far jus to get the best figures because wwe all kknow figures sell remaps thts why they normally exagerate their claims. Revo would be a top product if they went so arrogant about their map being perfect imo.

There's a joke across most forums I use. When someone says their revo car is broke, everyone replies 'boost leak as that's revos default answer to everything.

If you want a map with the best R&D in the market, then go APR imo. If you want a great map and customer service try the likes of shark, p-torque and jabbasport. Of you want the best figures but no customer service help buy revo.

Some good points, but who doesn't over inflate their vital stats!

Why shark then? I would be interested to hear anyone's thoughts who have run both shark and revo on the same car, preferably a vrs tsi. How do you rate the different maps and were there any issues with either and how were they resolved?

Edit I am not interested in how good anyone thinks of either if it is the only one you have tried as you don't have anything to compare to

I tried loads on my car and others, if anything I've driven more/revo cars than any others.

DomT on here has had bluefin, REVO, PDtuning and shark performance on his car.

Well, hats off to shark for my remap aswell

Bearing in mind Ive had stage 3 remaps off superchips, stage 2+ Revo, and the last incarnation I had was a pdt stage 2, its a very good map. Loads quicker than the stage 2 PDT, throttle response better, better throughout the rev range.

Mine was making 310bhp and 290lbs/ft of torque before the straps were loosened on teh rr, and made 330bhp :S with the last remap, and this outperforms that.

Also, add the fact the the best mpg I could get from teh commute to work on the PDT stage 2 file was 31.2 mpg, I managed 39.7mpg yesterday on the same run, and the car must be at least 330bhp, so if any of you Ko3 runners are thinking about a K04 upgrade, I think you have a good idea who to ask for a remap.

I'll be posting some RR graphs up after the Rolling road day next month

He's still been having issues with aspects of his car which from what i gather is a tuners nightmare, Bluefin did loads of revised maps but wouldn't give him the performance he wanted, revo gave him the performance but lit up his dash, but of course map isn't at fault, pdtuning did loads of work for him, then he swapped to dhark who has also done loads of further tweaking FoC for 6 hours iirc.

Theres quite a few converts out there. I throw cash at my car, but I wouldn't go revo for fear of lack of help in the event of an issue

Edited 31 July, 201114 yr by janner_Sy

Gents, quite simpley Revo gave the most performance on my TSI VRS, figures speak for themselves (all in 6th gear, two up using hand held timing device these are three way averages taken on private land):

'Well known mapper on here':

60 - 80: 5.9

70 - 90: 6.4

80 - 100: 6.3

Revo 98 RON map:

60 - 80: 5.4

70 - 90: 5.5

80 - 100: 5.6

Figures speak for themselves, though the difference in how fast they 'feel' is much greater. You pays your money and takes your chances IMHO - doubt any mapper if your engine went bang running their map would replace it....