its a long story in short an accident happened i did a mistake i lifted the car of the ground i put it in gear and i moved the tires with my hands so now what i think i did is that i changed the timing of which spark plug should give spark at which cylinder at which time so i think everything is messed up how can i correct that note my car is a felicia 1996 1.3 carburetor please help and note i have no hayes and no VAG-anything that ppl use sorry and my English is a little bit rusty when it comes to the expressions used in car world!! any help would be apretiated thank all...

I do not see how you can have changed anything, surely it is only like freewheeling when you bump start it, the only way i would have thought things could go wrong is if you mixed up the ht leads, have you tried to start it, or are you just worried

i tried to start it but the starter motor did a few rounds then then it stopped as if the engine was blocked as if something is holding the engine from rotating while the starter motor wants to rotate and at the first few rounds the starter motor made the engine did sound like something was wrong i don't know how to explain that but i will try.. when u start the engine you can hear it rotating in sequence of four cylinders like (rn .. rn .. rn .. rn) if that is the normal then my engine did like that (rn.. rnrn .. rn) like one cylinder isn't there i really can't explain that sound i hope that helped..

and ohh when that mistake happened i had no spark plugs installed.

and it ran fine before?

Ah it sounds like you have put your ht leads on the wrong way then

if ht leads means the wires from the distributer to the spark plugs then i am 100% sure they are in right order and b4 it ran right only had and engine shaking because there was a bad spark plug as the engine overheated a little due to little water and about 42 weather in my country but i had a new set of spark plugs

the firing order is 1 3 4 2 good guide on here http://briskoda.net/...ed/page__st__20

put your originals back to try, my dad always changed one plug at a time and started it after each time to check if each plug was ok

i will tell the whole story maybe it helps

i wad driving my car it worked fine and the first few minutes then the car started making a knocking sound not loud but few quite still i managed to hear it after closing my windows and that sound so i tried pressing the clutch pedal and sound goes away and even if i press the accelerator pedal then engine revs fine without any sounds but as soon as i put it in gear the sounds comes back (all of that while i was driving never stopped) then i noticed the engine was lossing power daramaticaly so i kept my eyes on the gages all reads fine then the tempreture gages went up than usual but still in range and that continued withh a huge loss of power untill the engine suddenly stopped while driving and as soon as i used my inertia to stop and the side of the road the engine compartment bursted in smoke i opened the hood very carefully i found there was smoke coming out from the around the engine i couldn't tell where exactly i and i found that it had no cooling water at all so i waited for it to cool down and i saw that the plastic casing the holdes the tempretue sensor has melted and is leaking water i applied some gakset filler to it and i added water and the engine started but was shaking hard because of the bad spark plug i mentioned till i arrived my desination my engine didn't stall or didn't even lose power i was working fine for and engine running with 3 cylinders only i changed the plastic casing today then i removed the spark plugs and i lifted the car put it in gear rotated the wheels so that the fuel trapped in the engine that didn''t burn due to bad spark plug would go away so i put it in 3rd gear and i rotated the wheels in both directions now it won't start. what should i do??

Another thing he taught me was to take them the plugs out ,( if you thought you had a faulty plug) and start the car with the ht leads attached to the spark plugs and earth each one, place on the engine to see if they are all firing. If they all spark then you are ok, it still seems if you have them in the wrong sequence , anyway got to go to bed, hope you get it sorted

just noticed your last post, maybe you have done some damage with no coolant in

thank so much i get to go to bed too its 2:20 am here i will try that tomorrow and see what happens thanks bluvrs2

You cannot mess up the timing by rotating the wheel while in gear. You have either connected the leads in the wrong order; or it is possible one lead or spark plug is damaged and not working

Running the engine dry may have caused other problems, so be prepared.

if its been hot enough to melt the thermostat housing then the head gasket WILL be broken, it sounds like maybe the ht leads are on wrong but it may be that the head gasket is blowing too much and the compression is too low.

i guess felicia 16v was right as i went to the car 2day after work and i tried to start it again it didn't so i was checking the spark plugs and i found water on all of thier tips except for the second cylinder i didn't just find water on the tip of the spark plug but it brings up water like a water fall from the hole of the spark plug in the engine and all the water in the radiater has drained even as soosn as i opened the cap water from the hole got stronger so i guess that means that water went inside the combustion chamber and that means that the head gasket is blown is that a DIY job or should i toe it to a garage?? and would something else be wrong besides the head gasket or will be the head gasket only??

I think once you have got water into the engine its no good. It wrecks the compression and is probably just scrap now.

mmmm well the guys at the garage said they could fix it i will go tomorrow and take some photos the mechanic said the that cylinder head got bent due to overheating and now it isn't level and i saw that myself its can't be seen by eye of course but he had a measurement device that is level and he measered it in front of me it is not level so he said i had to get it to a fabricator to take away some metal from the high sides of the bent to make all level then add a new layer of metal of about 0.5mm thickness to the cylinder head to compensate the layer he took off then all then it should work ....!!

Oh well , fingers crossed, they run many a tail finned American 50s car in Cuba with fabricated parts and even shampoo for brake fluid , so hopefully yours can be fixed

Ah the classic head skim after a cylinder head gasket fail. Very common

Edited 11 September, 201114 yr by FellyMagic

I think it is water in DIESEL engines that is fatal, petrol engines run a lower compression, so usually survive.

I think you are lucky to get away with only needing a new gasket and a head skim though.

I think it is water in DIESEL engines that is fatal, petrol engines run a lower compression, so usually survive.

I think you are lucky to get away with only needing a new gasket and a head skim though.

I've seen photos of a Ford Cologne V6 with 3 rods through the block, the other 3 bent, and the crank warped. I know the owner and the road where it happened, and have no reason to doubt his report that he hit 1" of standing water.

You're correct that it's a bit easier to hydraulic a diesel (subject to intake design), but it's not impossible to hydraulic a petrol.

I've heard similar tales of people in petrol cars driving through flood water and the water has gone up the air intake, with similar results to what ken said about the Ford V6.

I said usually, and there is a difference between sucking water in to a hot engine under full load and high revs, and trying to crank a cold engine full of water.

the engine just works fine it even sounds much better than it was and i figured out what caused the over heating problem it was the valve in the thermostat housing it was broken and it wouldn't open so water never went through thats why my engine kept overheating i can't even believe it still worked all that time WOW but i have totally removed that valve and now the car doesn't even go beyond 80 degree and notice for ppl in my country the coldest weather we ever had was 18 in winter so don't have to worry about freezing or anything on the other hand it reaches 45 in summer so now i am glad and about the compression i didn't test it but i still can get 140 km/hr from my engine and i could have pushed further but i ran out of road so i guess its ok the only problem is that the fuel consumption is now up by 10% i used to have 10km/Liter now i have only 8 km/Liter i will go for a tune of the carburetor soon i hope that fixes it i will post some pictures as soon as i know how exactly i already have them on facebook but i couldn't post them here coz i don't know why i will try again later...

Glad you got it sorted