Ah right, well all I can see is you doing a 15.3 in yours and someone at your work said what times he remembered some of the ibiza`s doing at santa pod.

I suspect actually driving a MK2 against MK1`s in various states of tune (standard, 170bhp map, 200bhp), on the same tarmac, in the same conditions with various drivers will be a little more reliable to be honest.

Yes it would.

But what I'm basing my opinions on are more than adequte to backup that the MK2 will not destory a MK1 and that once mapped there will be nothing in it.

It's also able to confirm that if your losing to MPVs or actaully getting destroyed by a MK2 then there is an issue, be that the car or driver.

The MK2 only has 178 BHP and not that much torque. I dont care how fast the gearbox is, it's never going to be setting amazing times anywhere. I dont know where this feeling that they are some how really fast comes from. I'm not saying the MK1 is fast, just that its not that much slower than a MK2.

Yes it would.

But what I'm basing my opinions on are more than adequte to backup that the MK2 will not destory a MK1 and that once mapped there will be nothing in it.

It's also able to confirm that if your losing to MPVs or actaully getting destroyed by a MK2 then there is an issue, be that the car or driver.

The MK2 only has 178 BHP and not that much torque. I dont care how fast the gearbox is, it's never going to be setting amazing times anywhere. I dont know where this feeling that they are some how really fast comes from. I'm not saying the MK1 is fast, just that its not that much slower than a MK2.

here are some more fihures..

This is running on 2 other forums by myself. If you go fancy having a go up the 1/4 mile strips at places such as York raceway, crail raceway, bruntingthorp, santa pod etc then post up your results and time slips and mods etc and ill get you added in to the list. Go on you know you want to

I have now removed all guys who have not confirmed their 1/4 mile times with slips, or proof. Time slips etc are all in the thread on SCN, any mistakes, let me know and ill add it in for you

1.4TSI 1/4 Mile Leadeboard

1- 13.41 @ 103.26 mph Ibizaracebrake -ibiza Cupra -TD1.2s, stripped interior, cat back exhaust, intercooler spray - Stage 1 REVO - R888 - Santa Pod CONFIRMED

2- [email protected] shuggy boy -Ibiza Cupra -REVO stage 2 - rear seats/spare tyre removed -road tyre -crail raceway CONFIRMED

3- [email protected] Tilley1 -Ibiza Cupra -Stage 1 REVO -Road tyre -Santa pod CONFIRMED

4- 13.821 @??? phil_monk31 -Ibiza Cupra -Stage 2 REVO -Road tyre -Bruntingthorp CONFIRMED

5- [email protected] Blade -Polo GTI-Milltek TBE,REVO stage 1,Road tyre,rear seats+spare tyre removed,TD1.2s,LtWt Battery-York Raceway CONFIRMED

6- 13.968@ ???mph Mardon -Ibiza Cupra -REVO stage 1-Road tyre -Santa pod CONFIRMED

7- 14.209@???mph vRSy -fabia vRS -sh@rk stage 2- decat oem downpipe, forge filter - road tyre-bruntigthorp-0-60 5.64CONFIRMED

8- 14.262@???mph JCBoc-ibiza bocanegra -REVO stage 2 setting C - miltek TBE 0-60-road tyre- Bruntingthorp- 0-60 -5.52CONFIRMED

9- 14.443@ ???mph Deacon -scirocco GT- REVO stage 1, it intake, custom cat back, manual gearbox-road tyre-bruntingthorpe 0-60 5.64 CONFIRMED

10- 14.5s @97mph BOC Chris -Ibiza Cupra -Forge BOV -Stock -Road tyre -Crail Raceway CONFIRMED

11- [email protected] Ianmr ibiza cupra - stock - road tyre-Crail raceway CONFIRMED

12- 14.557@96mph Rosser87 -Ibiza Cupra -REVO filter-Stock -Road tyre -Crail raceway CONFIRMED

13- 15.086@???mph VRSLOZ - fabia vRS - Stock map/REVO filter - road tyre -Bruntingthorp 0-60 6.58CONFIRMED

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Overall Leader

13.41 @ 103.26 mph Ibizaracebrake -ibiza Cupra -TD1.2s, stripped interior, cat back exhaust, intercooler spray - Stage 1 REVO - R888 - Santa Pod

Fastest Ibiza Fr/Cupra

13.41 @ 103.26 mph Ibizaracebrake -ibiza Cupra -TD1.2s, stripped interior, cat back exhaust, intercooler spray - Stage 1 REVO - R888 - Santa Pod

Fastest Fabia vRS

14.209@???mph vRSy -fabia vRS-sh@rk stage 2- decat oem downpipe, forge filter - road tyre-bruntigthorp-0-60 5.64

Fastest Polo GTI

[email protected] Blade -Polo GTI-Milltek TBE,REVO stage 1,Road tyre,rear seats+spare tyre removed,TD1.2s,LtWt Battery-York Raceway

Fastest Scirocco 1.4TSI

14.443@ ???mph Deacon -scirocco GT- REVO stage 1, it intake, custom cat back, manual gearbox-road tyre-bruntingthorpe 0-60 5.64

fastest Golf 1.4TSI

Fastest Stock Car

14.5s @97mph- BOC Chris-Ibiza Cupra- Forge BO - Stock - Road tyre- Crail Raceway

Add your times , and ill endeavour to update the original thread.

This post has been edited by janner_Sy: 07 August 2011 - 19:55

these are all genuine proved.

now you keep basing you "opinions" on what you are deciding are the times on a strip you believe to be right... (check some of the ones above) a stage II is doing 0-60 in 5.6 seconds, jason would struggle to match that in the mongrel.... you are right though, a standard mark I might be about 15 seconds..

now in the real world,(its not a strip) and this is not an opinion, its 100's of miles of PROVED driving, including a nice hill climb at weston on private land, the mark II is so much quicker than the mark I, I could keep up with tigger (standard markI) by just leaving it in auto... (i.e the gearbox trying to be economical, and having to change down everytime I press the loud pedal)

you keep saying better in-gear times ect... you are NOT understanding DGS, the DSG is ALWAYS in the right gear when driven properly, and can change seemlessly, so the torque disadvantage really isn't there, as its contstantly got more power going to the wheels, all the time, at most given moments when speeding up and slowing down on a road like hartside pass for example where the speeds vary between 10 - 60 mph constantly, in an equally powered mark I , due to the lower ratios (at lower speeds) in the DSG, there is genreally more available from the mark II....

for example in the mark I you are at full power in 3rd approaching a sharp corner.. now do you change to second, have very limited rev range left before having to go back for third, loosing time again with the gearchange, just to try and get the power, or do you leave it in 3rd, ride the torque out of the corner to try minimise the wheelspin youd get in second on the exit, but sacrifice the power you would have... whatever choice you are going to loos, as im in front blipping it to second, accelerating out with no wheelspin (XDS working well) between 5-7000 reves, immediatley changing up with no delay back to 5000 revs, all max power still available throughout this process, so the whole corner being done with max available power, where the person following in the mark I will loose out quite alot, no matter how he decided to use his gears...

the gearbox makes a huge difference.

edit: I am also not saying the mark II is hugely faster, softscoop kept up well throughout weston in his mapped mark I ... just that is is quicker in a real world situation.... (not a drag strip)

Just to continue this pointless debate...

Here are the top 6 mkI diesel Fabias from this forum.

1. BossFox - 13.6092 @ 104.46mph - Santa Pod 9th July 2011.

2. devonutopia - 13.7071 @ 104.95mph - Santa Pod, last year

3. ROS53Y - 14.155 1/4 mile - 5.67 to 60mph

4. chrisw_vrs - 14.7 - not sure on terminal speed arouns high 90's

5. matt1chelski - 15.1 @ 9xMPH - Santa Pod, this year

6. Soot1e - 16.08 and 94mph. Last year at the Pod.

Please note I run road weight. All seats, spare wheel and half a tank of fuel.

X4OAS should be in there somewhere...

edit: I am also not saying the mark II is hugely faster, softscoop kept up well throughout weston in his mapped mark I ... just that is is quicker in a real world situation.... (not a drag strip)

This was my point in my first post really, i`m talking real world driving, not figures on a bit of paper that mean **** all. I know there is nothing wrong with the car and I know I`m a reasonable driver but I also know even with 200bhp I`ll still have my mates MK2`s snout right behind me, not gaining, not slipping away, but pretty much neck and neck. This is up to the legal limit, not really had the chance to push them further than that. But again, in real life how often do you drive from standstill to 100 a la drag strip? Not very often

Edit: Just seen Bossfox`s post, so a stock 1.4tsi is sitting around the same as a 200bhp PD, quicker than a mapped fabia.

Which are the standard cars on the list? I'm struggling to figure it out

Which are the standard cars on the list? I'm struggling to figure it out

number 13 is a standard fabia vRS2 1/4 mile in 15 seconds, 0-60 in 6.5 seconds..

generally stage ones 14 seconds 1/4 and stage 2's 13 ish ect seconds 1/4 mile

sy's stage 2 fabia vRS (map + air and exhaust) 14.209@???mph vRSy -fabia vRS-sh@rk stage 2- decat oem downpipe, forge filter - road tyre-bruntigthorp-0-60 5.64

Ah, so my prediction of 15 for a standard mk2 was pretty accurate then?

And the two Ibiza's at 14.5

The Ibiza is a lighter, faster car though.

The fact we have one standard mk2 time of 15 and I have a 15.3 in a standard mk1 I think within reason we can all agree on what I have been saying.

20kg lighter lol, so I think the times are very relevant to this argument, given that there is only one time for the vrs on there it helps to gauge what they are capable of, as you have already said, some drivers are better than others.

Standard MK1 does 15.3

Mapped is around 14.9

MK2 tsi is around 14.5

200bhp MK1 is mid to early 14`s

AND TO GET BACK ON TOPIC :p :p :p :p

I met the OP at lunchtime today, and popped his washer pipe back on in the engine bay

I think I convinced him to stick with the car. One of the very early vRS I think - Looks funny being on a 52 plate, but it is a private plate.

My VCDS found nothing wrong (according to the car) with his nearside door latch, so thats probably worn out. And also no faults in the HVAC section despite the aircon being dead. Very doo

From a autocar on the Ibiza PD130.

Also from EVO

0-100mph

DS3-R 17.5

Cilo 200 18.2

Mini 17.2

Corsa VXR 19.5

Polo GTI 18.9

I'm sorry but theres no way a standard PD130 will crack 0-100mph in 18 seconds as stated earlier in this thread.

also a Civic type-R does it in around 17 seconds

A CTR is well into the 16s.

Not that we are talking about that though.

Autocar managed an 8.4 to 60 - who on earth was driving to get that time. Even my girlfriend could get our Fabia into the 7s.

I did a 15.3 and trapped at 92 point something vs autocars 16.5 @ 85.

So bascailly we can rule out their times for a kick off as they are embarassing!!!

In 15 seconds the Mk1 is doing 90, its still pulling really hard at them speeds so has another FOUR seconds to reach 100 and make that 19.

The same 19 seconds as a Polo GTI did as timed by EVO.

All the times are backing up what I'm saying here.

Edited 18 November, 201114 yr by Fred44

So the MK1 times are slower then real life, but the MK2`s are spot on? 2 seconds quicker to 60 on paper are they not? Just been for another spin, car running sweet, still has the MK2 attached to the back of it though Thinking about it, the MK1 mapped is the same power as a MK2, slightly lighter and has the instant gear changes and 7 speed box, so its always in the power. Even on paper its pretty clear cut tbh

I read some where that a March Hare is slightly faster than a Jack Rabbit,.....................Opps sorry wrong thread.

Ahem, didn't I just say "BACK ON TOPIC" lol. Off it goes again.

Ahem, didn't I just say "BACK ON TOPIC" lol. Off it goes again.

Letters not big enough

Ahem, didn't I just say "BACK ON TOPIC" lol. Off it goes again.

Sorry, i`ll leave it now Glad the OP car`s sorted

Post wash:-

I must say the mk1 is better looking so being slightly slower (for now) does bother me

Both cars look porn. Thats the first yellow and black vRS 2 Ive seen and that looks porn. With a little lowering and a splitter it will look spot on

Thanks very much. I wasnt that fussed about the new one, until his arrived, once i`d had a go I was a little jealous. Not as hardcore as mine, but a very comfortable, quick everyday car. The dark lights & black grill really look good on the yellow too. I`m trying to persuade him to deck it

I'm going through the same thing at the moment, im holding on to mine for a few months and then I'll be selling her I think.

So the MK1 times are slower then real life, but the MK2`s are spot on? 2 seconds quicker to 60 on paper are they not? Just been for another spin, car running sweet, still has the MK2 attached to the back of it though Thinking about it, the MK1 mapped is the same power as a MK2, slightly lighter and has the instant gear changes and 7 speed box, so its always in the power. Even on paper its pretty clear cut tbh

I like the way when people are really struggling for arguments they miss things out.

Forget 0-60, we have two real life 1/4 mile times and the Mk1 to Mk2 there was 0.3 secodns in it.

The mk2 is all automatic so you cant blame the driver for that, a 1/4 mile favours the mk2.

Anyway we could go around in circles with this one so I'll leave it with this post. If you cant take that two times we have in real life are so close then fair enough.

OK, your right, the MK2`s can only be launched perfect everytime even by a gorilla. (obviously the various threads discussing how to launch one were pointless, when you who has never sniffed a MK2 has perfected it already)

I have also checked my car, its only a SDI engine, so you were right on that count too! No wonder I couldnt get away, I only had 60bhp! Also, turns out my mates MK2 was tuned before it was delivered to him, its actually running a full stage 3 setup, **** knows how he didnt realise.

spot on....

Yep, that pretty much ties up with what I've experienced. With my mapped car (around 165hp), the mk2 will pull away.

Sorry guys, we are wrong. (funny how we have actual experence of MK2`s though )

Right, now thats sorted, back on topic again . . . .