I'm a bit concerned about settling for a 5 speed 1.9tdi - is it worth paying the extra for the 6 speeed at the loss of some MPG maybe?

Or even looking for a 2.0 TDI PD 6 speed ?

I think only you can decide that. I would say drive both. also, if you drive briskly, chose the more powerful engine. A thrashed eco engine is usually less economic than an idling bigger engine

Hope this helps

6 spped box is a lot better shift and stronger than the 5 speed - but the 5 speed is very strong.

I tuned my pd100 fabia 5 spped to 300 lb ft and didn't have any problems but I only used the full torque regularly.

If your going to keep the car for a long time go for 6 speed.

I am thinking about getting short shifter kit for my 5 speed to see if it improves the quality of the throws.

john

It will be doing 400-700 miles per week as a chauffeur/airport transfer vehicle so we are having to look at all options.

I can't decide if in the real world the 5 speed PD is more economical than the 6 speed CR engine.

I dont want the 5 speed to be sat on the motorway wishing I had bought a 6 speed. At the sametime I don't wany to miss out on the proven reliabilty and economy of the 5 speed.

if your going to be taking paying passengers on the motorway then go for the 6 speed as its so much quieter due to the longer gearing on 6th compared to 5th on the 5 speed.

7 is the best number available. I have a 7 speed Octavia and will be ordering a 7 speed Superb next month.

Average about 42 mpg in the Octavia and expect to get 40 mpg in the Superb and with Petrol cheaper than diesel by as much as 10p a litre which may rise to 15p apparently, a lower buy price and faster acceleration than the 170hp diesel it seems a no-brainer to me.

Octavia is about 29 mph per 1000 revs so at 7K redline so even at 75 mph it is less than 40% towards redline and torque spread is from 1500 rpm to max power fading at 6200, incredible spread.

Hope they make it 8 speed in the next year or two like the Audis, BMWs and Jags as it should help fuel consumption another 1 or 2 mpg and maybe regen brakes.

7 is the best number available. I have a 7 speed Octavia and will be ordering a 7 speed Superb next month.

Average about 42 mpg in the Octavia and expect to get 40 mpg in the Superb and with Petrol cheaper than diesel by as much as 10p a litre which may rise to 15p apparently, a lower buy price and faster acceleration than the 170hp diesel it seems a no-brainer to me.

Octavia is about 29 mph per 1000 revs so at 7K redline so even at 75 mph it is less than 40% towards redline and torque spread is from 1500 rpm to max power fading at 6200, incredible spread.

Hope they make it 8 speed in the next year or two like the Audis, BMWs and Jags as it should help fuel consumption another 1 or 2 mpg and maybe regen brakes.

Still trolling i see with no evidence of this 'average 42mpg'. Utter rubbish.

How you can even compare the glorious 1.8tsi to a diesel when doing 400-700 miles a week is beyond me. What is your obsession with it besides being a keyboard warrior and providing zero evidence to back up your ridiculous claims?

Back to the op who is looking for a DIESEL.....6 speed everytime especially for motorway runs and i am not aware of any difference in reliability issues on the 6 over the 5.

Still trolling i see with no evidence of this 'average 42mpg'. Utter rubbish.

How you can even compare the glorious 1.8tsi to a diesel when doing 400-700 miles a week is beyond me. What is your obsession with it besides being a keyboard warrior and providing zero evidence to back up your ridiculous claims?

Back to the op who is looking for a DIESEL.....6 speed everytime especially for motorway runs and i am not aware of any difference in reliability issues on the 6 over the 5.

Good evening JRW.

Only Skoda and my computer say 43-50 mpg (when I drive like a diesel) (and 40 mpg for the 7 speed Superb) combined.

There was a bit on the radio about the cost of diesel and petrol diverging like it did a couple of years ago.

And Skoda also say the 160 hp TSI is quicker accelerating than the 170 Diesels in both the Octavia and the Superb.

Did have the 6 speed DSG on the 1.9D and it was OK, nicer than the 5 speed manual but the 7 speed is best but not available on the Skoda diesels I gather, only on other VAG cars in the Golf, Passat size except in the feeble, narrow power banded 1.6 diesel and not the better power spread on 2 litre wiesel, not in the league or power spread of the TSI but better if you have to have 50 mpg instead of 40 mpg.

Edited 29 November, 201114 yr by lol

Yawn - come back when you can put your money where your mouth is and set a fuelly account up. Since we last asked (July was it?) you must have about 35-40 receipts to upload.....but clearly you have something to hide...as for 50mpg, yeah maybe when you reset the trip going downhill doing your 'illegal' coasting which uses more fuel than leaving it in gear and 'coasting'. Seems you have given up trolling the Octy II forum and come over to try and brainwash the Superb forum to your ridiculous claims.

When i drive mine as you say 'like a diesel'...whatever that is.... i can get 63mpg.....when i drive it normally i get 50mpg all day long.

My 1.6tdi only has 5 speed. Where I live don´t need 6 speed, if I lived in the city the 7 DGS gearbox would have been the choise.

The 6 speed is better on fuel.

Longer gearing between 6 and 5, can´t tell you.

Can tell you that my 5 speed from what I know and tested,

2ª gear reaches 83km/h at 5000rpm

3ª gear reaches 140km/h at 5000rpm

5ª gear reaches around 197km/h at about 3750rpm

Average between 5.3-6.0L (all year round)

Edited 30 November, 201114 yr by alberg

Toll, die gleichen Benziner-Diesel-Diskussionen as everywhere!

I have the 1.9 Greenline, with the 5 speed box. I thought I would miss the 6th gear and have not missed it at all apart from the 1st few weeks when auto piolet kicked in and went to shift to 6th. It cruises very smoothly on the motor way at 75. On full motorway trips the very exiteable trip computer regularly has 72mpg as an avg.

5-speed and 6-speed have different construction and clutch release mechanism. 5-speed is single final drive and side clutch cylinder, 6-speed is twin final drive, axial clutch cylinder.

5-speed has higher drag in 4th, 5th and 6th than the 6-speed, shorter clutch lifetime and more possibility for clutch judder when overstressed. 6-speed is more durable, lower drag and no clutch judder.

6-speeds usually have substantially longer gearing in 6-th (15%-20%), than the 5-speed in 5th (though not always, best to check) and result in quieter drive and less fuel consumption on motorway. Fuel savings can be quite substantial if you drive fast (3500rpm+ range on a diesel), on Autobahn runs my diesel Octavia was saving 15% fuel with 20% longer gearing.

Having said that, the 5-speed is much easier to service, it is a lot lighter and a bit smaller, making DIY clutch jobs much easier. If you are fit enough, clutch job can be done without gearbox lift, on the ramps with the 5-speed. Do not try doing it with the 6-speed, though after 150k+ (donor car at least 30k + mine 120k) miles the clutch still works fine.

How do I know all this? Years back I swapped 5-speed to 6-speed on my Octavia. Best decision I ever made and due to a lot of autobahn drives at the time the swap paid for itself in fuel savings.

The decision is yours. Whichever you choose, remember make sure gearbox oil level is correct on a new car, and change gearbox oil around 80k-100k miles. When you see the outgoing oil, you'll know that 'lifetime oil fill' is just a planned obsolescence propaganda.

Edit: 6-speed has also stronger driveshafts and of better design than 5-speed.

Edited 1 December, 201114 yr by dieselV6

Just a personal opinion - I mainly do local and A road driving and would prefer a well set up 5 speed to a 6 speed gearbox. I usually find myself 'skipping' 5th gear with my 6 speed 'box - I can see the benefit as a motorway cruising gear or if I was driving a sports car but for my average daily needs a well set up 5 speed would be more than enough.

Yawn - come back when you can put your money where your mouth is and set a fuelly account up. Since we last asked (July was it?) you must have about 35-40 receipts to upload.....but clearly you have something to hide...as for 50mpg, yeah maybe when you reset the trip going downhill doing your 'illegal' coasting which uses more fuel than leaving it in gear and 'coasting'. Seems you have given up trolling the Octy II forum and come over to try and brainwash the Superb forum to your ridiculous claims.

When i drive mine as you say 'like a diesel'...whatever that is.... i can get 63mpg.....when i drive it normally i get 50mpg all day long.

As you know I do not pay for fuel as I have a fuel card and all my fuel, company and private milege is paid for by my company. I am not so sad/wieselly as to record all this on an account. The fuel computer in the car is about 5% over-reading we have worked out before. Sometimes I only get 450 miles from a tank, other times I can get close to 600 genuine miles. I feel no need to waste my time entering data in to database. Skoda says my 1.8 TSI does 43 mpg combined, 52 mpg extra urban, it does as also they say it is half a second quicker accelerating the inappropristely named Diesel "VRS" which take a pedestrian 8 seconds to get to 60 mph compared to the 1.8 TSI 7.5 seconds in "normal" conditions.

Back to the OP post, more gears the better, probably up to at least 8, it leads to better fuel consumption, by about 5% for each geared added, diminishing returns of course, and quieter running and better acceleration for standing start and rolling.

As you know I do not pay for fuel as I have a fuel card and all my fuel, company and private milege is paid for by my company. I am not so sad/wieselly as to record all this on an account. The fuel computer in the car is about 5% over-reading we have worked out before. Sometimes I only get 450 miles from a tank, other times I can get close to 600 genuine miles. I feel no need to waste my time entering data in to database. Skoda says my 1.8 TSI does 43 mpg combined, 52 mpg extra urban, it does as also they say it is half a second quicker accelerating the inappropristely named Diesel "VRS" which take a pedestrian 8 seconds to get to 60 mph compared to the 1.8 TSI 7.5 seconds in "normal" conditions.

Back to the OP post, more gears the better, probably up to at least 8, it leads to better fuel consumption, by about 5% for each geared added, diminishing returns of course, and quieter running and better acceleration for standing start and rolling.

money, mouth, your, where, put, your.

6.98 seconds to 60 PROVEN (in 'normal' conditions (what other is there besides a sticky track like Santa Pod where i would probably get an even better figure?)) unlike yours.

40MPG is a max not an average on the Superb..... Just google all the real life data out there. No way on this earth do you get 600miles to a tank as you would need to average 50mpg. Repeating yourself like this on every thread doesn't make it true, just makes you even more of a troll.

Can we try and keep this thread on topic. Btw, my V6 easily beats both those engines for the noise alone

Can we try and keep this thread on topic. Btw, my V6 easily beats both those engines for the noise alone

Came from 6 speed 2l Avensis to 5 speed 1.6CR Superb- 5 speed has good ratios and is easy to drive. Dont find it noisy at 70mph. also no gear change needed between 45 and 70 mph unlike 6 speed when in variable traffic.