tbh i kinda thought 100kg would make a fair difference as said above, not huge but would make a noticable difference

I agree. Its like having a fat guy in the passenger seat vs. no fat guy. :P

Whilst driving you can feel the effect of an extra person in the car so 100kg will make a noticeable difference...

First you say that you havent seen a Vrs break the 16's' date=' so I post that my virtually identical car can get 14.9 on my first ever attempt at a 1/4 mile with crap loads of wheel spin (I have the slip, and my mates g/f has it on camera) Then you say that 50kg max is suddenly going to make a huge difference, and now you talk about terminal speeds (0-100)- there were some slower cars with identical terminal speeds, so my in gear acceleration cant be that bad, which is what you now say performance is all about?.

So its a max of 0.4 of a sec, or 7mph terminal (modded ctr) or 50kg you want to argue about - I think the original posters point was how close the cars are, and I think 7mph(modded) or less than half a second or 50kg are small enough for quantities for it to be a close run thing, which is exactly what he was saying i.e. miss a gear change and its all over! I dont think that theres 3secs to 100 in it either against a standard CTR, much closer than that as mine pulls like a train in 4th and then loses guts quickly at 110+

I thought that after re-enforcing someones earlier point, you would at least accept that these cars do move. Just the goal posts keep shifting? 0-60 vs a standard CTR, no problem. 20 to 90, no problem - it took that modded one the entire 1/4 mile to catch me and i had a 0.4 sec advantage off the line, so imagine what a rolling start/quick reaction off lights would have been like. Anyway, this is becoming pointless - I acknowledge what great cars CTR's are, and money and economy etc no object I know which one i'd have. I do think that my 11k little derv whilst having their limitations can hold its own in most situations, which was the point people were trying to make ages ago. (fair play to you vtech for holding your own )[/quote']

Ha ha.. Can't beat a good old debate like this. I love em!

I'm not moving the goalposts mate. I'm just pointing out a few facts. That one run with that modded CTR doesn't mean it's a perfect example and was his best run, cause i doubt very much it was if it was 40bhp above standard mate.

Anyway, I mearly pointed out that I haven't heard of a chipped or standard vRS break the 16's yet. Yours is an Ibiza and although very simular to a vRS Fabia, it isn't one. I think we should just agree to disagree fella. But if you fancy having a blasts against some CTR's up Pod strip, i'm sure a shoot out could be organised with some of our guys on the CTR forums. Would be a laugh I reckon..

Well no i'm not splitting hairs at all mate. I was under the opinion that the Fabia was around 100kgs more than the Ibiza, as it'a what i've read in more than a few motoring magazines. If i'm wrong then I apologise, but if it was 100kgs, like is stated. Then I wouldn't of been splitting hairs at all, it would make alot of difference...

You could be forgiven for thinking it, but the real weight is 1235 kg and not the 1315 kg thats quoted. Think about it - how can the same car, with the same engine weigh 120 kg more? It cant.. simple as

The debates cool! What forums are about I suppose?! Wish everyone could be this civilised. By the same stretch, the run I did wasnt my best run either - but it just illustrates that in real world conditions, there isnt that much difference, who is to say that if a standard CTR crossed paths with me it would be having its 'best run' then or indeed that I would be awake as it were!

It was deffo 40bhp over standard and was bloody impressive :yummy: :yummy:, fully programmable map etc etc - the owner plugged his laptop in, in the queue and was adjusting his 'launch control', rev limiter and watching the intake temps - it sounded mean too, and they sound good enough with the standard exhaust - I love that noise, and i'd be in that 'zone' the whole time if I owned one ! My car is a Vrs bar the badge and a tiddly bit of weight, plus you were giving the guys a bit of a mullering, and us diesel drivers take enough stick as it is (hard life!)

Agreeing to disagree is all well and good with me - I've enjoyed it as have you I hope that with a bit of practice I could shave a couple more 10ths off my time and that would be it, and hey, I'm more than happy with that - like I've always said, I know exactly what my car is and isn't and what it will and wont do! I think my Ibiza was lonely enough on the RWYB being only ONE of TWO diesels with loads of lovely quick petrol cars (which you cannot beat for performance of course) felt way out of place, without you civic boys lining up to "have a laugh" whilst I would no doubt be getting mullered by the modded ones and it being closer than you'd have thought before this thread with the standard ones! (cummon, you gotta give me that )