i suppose it would be better then going stage 2 then this, if you started from stock and straight to it.

I meant thats 50hp higher than their previous stage 2 setup which was intake, TBE and stage 2

A very nice man from UPS just dropped me this off,

Just need to sell my left kidney now so I can afford to get it fitted.

Hubba hubba!

Very nice mate!

brooooimmm tshhhhh

Would love to upgrade and looked into it a lot but I feel until all the problems have been ironed out I won't be venturing into Hybrid territory

What intercooler you using mr dodger?

Would love to upgrade and looked into it a lot but I feel until all the problems have been ironed out I won't be venturing into Hybrid territory

I should have waited until the end of the year, when the software should be completed on vRSy's car. I just got a bit excited, but I've been told I can have the 250bhp map now

What intercooler you using mr dodger?

I'm looking into intercoolers at the moment, I'm trying to get my head around the restrictions of the standard one. I understand the benefit of lower inlet air temperatures but I don't want to splash out on a larger intercooler only to get marginally lower temps.

I know it's a good idea to have a upgraded IC, I just need to see the data. Hopefully vRSy has got some data I can look at.

My main concern is temperature control.

Fair enough was just wondering as iv experianced heat soak a few times running on standered (as far as im aware) so i can see the hybrid having a few problems like that. You could always go down the water meth route that way if you feel heat soak you can give it a quick blast as it wont be an everyday thing

At first, water meth seemed like a perfect option, but doing a little research I've found it can have a detrimental effect on the valve guides (high meth).

I've got my eye on somebody who is using it on their Polo GTI, hopefully they have no problems and then it's a option for the future.

Ahhh yeah forgot about the chemical damage it could possibly cause:) who you looking at to map your turbo for you?

Will be APR, already spoke to them when I had my stage 1 done. Plus they offer the best way to switch between maps using cruise control, of which I've made good use of when I could only get 95 ron fuel.

I should have waited until the end of the year, when the software should be completed on vRSy's car. I just got a bit excited, but I've been told I can have the 250bhp map now

I'm looking into intercoolers at the moment, I'm trying to get my head around the restrictions of the standard one. I understand the benefit of lower inlet air temperatures but I don't want to splash out on a larger intercooler only to get marginally lower temps.

I know it's a good idea to have a upgraded IC, I just need to see the data. Hopefully vRSy has got some data I can look at.

My main concern is temperature control.

Tuners tend to say for every 1degree rise in intake air temps you can lose around 1Hp. My IATs were rising +50 and then some at points at Rockingham so potentially loosing 50+Hp, i could certainly feel the power dop off at the 1/4 mile strip at inters towards the end of each run and 2 runs in a row resulted in much lower 2nd time despite similar launches. With the intercooler i was normally within 20degrees of ambient at the most and it recovered to a normal temp much faster, so it might lose 20Hp ish at points but its back to full power much quicker, so you maintain that power for longer durations.

An example of this was at GTI International last year. 2 REVO stage 2 Ibiza Cupras went up against eachother. Identical maps, and mods except one had the Forge intercooler and the other one standard. Both cars got a very good launch (around 5.4seconds iirc) and were neck and neck until 3rd gear at which point the car with the intercooler pulled a 0.5second lead on him by the end of the 1/4. and 0.5second is a fairly big difference on a 1/4 mile. Imagine the difference on the track when your at wide open throttle for 20 minutes at a time instead of just 14!!

Dont forget its not just the reduction in temperature, but also the recovery. Also if it gets to hot the engine has to retard the ignition timing to limit the likelihood of engine knock.

Answered your PM though.

At first, water meth seemed like a perfect option, but doing a little research I've found it can have a detrimental effect on the valve guides (high meth).

I've got my eye on somebody who is using it on their Polo GTI, hopefully they have no problems and then it's a option for the future.

I was dead set for water meth a couple months back. But Hurdys install and kit cost him over £800 asnd he has to maintain/swervice it, constantly refill meth/water ratio. There is potential for damage for instance if on a trackday your running an aggressive map with the WMI but it runs out without you realsing so you loose the cooling effect ad the octane boost, all of sudden the car really has to retard everything.

For that price id be certain you could buy an intercooler on its own from any intercooler company, pro alloy, forge, radtec etc. You might just have to persuade them to work with you

Pro alloy are going to be doing mine very soon. Could always ask if there's discount to be had for a few people wanting the kit??

How does the DSG cope with all torque and added hp?

It won't, but hey it will be fun while it lasts.

Tony

How does the DSG cope with all torque and added hp?

Well with the hybrid

It struggled. Im running on a reduced boost map at the moment until a DSG remap is sorted for my car as im hitting the torque limiters.

Symptoms are

Sympton1: It will close the butterfly from 88% that it is setted to 45%(half throtlle)

Symptom2: Caused the gearbox to go into safe mode where i couldnt change gears and had to restart the car for it to work again.

DSg remap, engine/transmission mounts and some clever torque limiters and we should be fine

Got this email from HPA :(

Jamie,

Thank you for the interest in our DSG tunes. We currently have no tunes for this DSG platform as it is not available in North America.

Thank you for the inquiry.

Kind Regards,

Keir Parsons

HPA Sales Department

HPA Motorsports Inc.

604-598-8520 ext. 103

[email protected]

yep, ive had the same. Unitronic replied saying they have one, but no dealers in the UK

Are Apr guns develop their own dsg map then??

Its on the cards hopefully. The map will not be able to be fully utilised until that point.

Originally they had the map running 1.8Bar peak boost pressure dropping to around 1.5Bar at the redline and it was still loads of play in the turbo, the car was RAPID however the DSG was kicking off. Im running a lower boost map now which doesnt set off the limiters but its peaking at 1.48Bar dropping to around 1Bar at the redline.

If we cant get around the DSG then APR will have to push the map as close to the limiters as possible to find out the settings that trigger the limiters and then turn it back a notch. Its no issue though IMO, the limiters protect the gearbox so i could have 3Bar of boost, the DSG would still be OK as it would just cut the power to protect itself. Its just a case of fine tuning that point. If the DSg map isnt possible then this factor will of course limit the power we'll end up with and since this turbo is far from cheap it makes it les £/bhp.

However if they do sort the DSG out, then he reckons 270-280Hp is achievable.

However with a DSG remap we could

How come the got 270ish out there polo without setting the limiters off? Or is the loba turbo putting out alot more boost than thier own?

Its having the same issues as me, also figures are dyno dependant. I could pop into AMDTechniks rollers and prob make 270Hp with my current low boost setting lol. Think he is also on the low boost map until we sort this out. Both my vRS and the Oz GTI are the test cars for this

The Polo GTI they have in australia is running a larger turbo that the guys over in Oz have purchased. My car can run alot more timing and boost than theirs for some reason. APR said its got to be a combination of outside temperatures, my intercooler&radiator and the UK fuel that allow my car to run more aggressive also i guess the LOBA turbo is flowing air very well.

They get my car from may-nov so time will tell.

Ive fitted my Federal RS-R track tyres now so ive put on the stronger map. Still same peak boost of 1.48 but comes in much harder earlier. Thats crazy enough, and still making the tyres squeal lol

What about the Jbs clutch a gear ring kit?? Not cheap at 3.5k but this could be an alternative.

The problem is the electronic limiters. I've had no hint of clutch slip.