Okey so so i tried to hot wire it to straight to the positive on the battery and solenoid did not respond , and then i tried the motor and also no respond ? so do you guys think the starter is just plain dead ? 

 

i did check all the wires and all seems ok , should i take it out and test it better ? 

 

Thank you all in advance. 

I think the solenoid is dead, you can take the starter to be rebuilt with a new solenoid, it will be much cheaper, they will also test the motor.

WHY guess. Simplest way to check that voltage is reaching the solenoid is to test for it. No need for a meter- something like as sidelight bulb with wires will do. One wire to the solenoid activate wire, and one to earth. If lamp lights when key is turned, then wiring on +side is ok. Re test from battery +ve to starter body-again lamp should light,.If not poor /missing earth to engine. The only way to check the solenoid contacts is with a meter, and anything near 0.5 volts when the solenoid is activated means poor solenoid contacts = new solenoid needed.

Yes it just turned out to be completely dead starter, i just bought new one today and put it in voila the engine turned on  

Thank you guys for your help. 

Ouch thats expensive. I guess I lucked out ( again ) on mine recently with it just being a wire.

 

Although I do feel a bit of a t.w.a.t replacing the battery ( just outside of 4 year warranty), but seemingly not the failure of starting.

 

On plus side means I have once again a warranteed battery now for 4 years lol.