HELP! Car is dead - wont turn over but battery & electrics are fine.

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Just got in the car to drive to work & wont turn over, it doesnt even respond when i turn the key to start the engine.

Radio, fans & lights etc all come on & theres no dash warning lights.

Any ideas what could cause this? Dead starter motor perhaps?

Cheers.

(btw - 53 VRS)

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Check the starter motor solenoid wire, this broke on mine. Seemed like a dead starter motor but it was just the wire. It's under the battery and air box.

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Starter motor solenoid or ur glow plugs are goosed

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Actually it was key!!

Tried the spare (never used) key & it started first time!

Looks like the immobilizer chip on the main key is fooked. However, does that sound right? I had the same thing happen on my SEAT Ibiza but that time the engine turned over, started & then cut out.

Does the immobilizer stop the engine turning over?

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Actually it was key!!

Tried the spare (never used) key & it started first time!

Looks like the immobilizer chip on the main key is fooked. However, does that sound right? I had the same thing happen on my SEAT Ibiza but that time the engine turned over, started & then cut out.

Does the immobilizer stop the engine turning over?

not sure on Fabia but my old car had a toad alarm, if immobiliser was active when you put key in, the lights came on but nothing happened when you turned it

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^ Why would the battery in the remote make any difference??

I was under the impression that the key contained an induction/transponder chip that disabled the immobilizer. The battery in the key was only there to work the central locking.

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do you have access to VCDS mate? it may give you more detailed info

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Yeah, I'll plug it in tonight & see if theres any errors.

I'm guessing if theres no errors then its the Key.

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Immobiliser iirc will let the car start then cut it out. :think:

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Update:

Well, its not the immobilizer. Finished work, tried to start it & got no response.

After a few minutes of trying it just started so there must be a fault somewhere.

Quote: Like90_vrs

"Check the starter motor solenoid wire, this broke on mine. Seemed like a dead starter motor but it was just the wire. It's under the battery and air box."

This sounds like a probable cause. Was the wire faulty/broken at the starter motor? How easy is it to fix?

I dont suppose this kind of fault would show up on VCDS? I didnt have time to plug the laptop in last night.

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Car failed to start again this morning after popping to Tescos to grab a sandwich for lunch.

Had to call Green Flag out. However, the guy (temporarily) fixed the problem by hitting the top of the starter motor with a hammer!!!

It turns out that the starter motor can stick & a sharp shock to it frees it up.

I have now got a hammer in the car for such an occasion.

Best start saving for a new starter motor!!

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just reading trough this thread and thought this from the start. haha. I had a car years ago and this was the problem. mine was caused by driving through water.

Its just a sticky solenoid. I have never looked at the started motor on the VRS but the solenoids can be replaced independantly on some started motors.

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Yeah it was the solanoid that he hit at the top of the starter motor.

As far as I can see it can be replaced separately, however, I'm not sure if you can buy just the starter solanoid. I've had a quick look around and everyone sells the whole starter motor and these retail at over £100.

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My Fabia's just done the same thing, it had a slight delay throwing over a few times recently but chose today to have a hissy fit. Just when I needed it to be on the button for a hospital run, TYPICAL!!

I've got a 41 year old Morris that has to have the petrol pump tapped cos of sticking points, I really thought that we'd have moved on a bit since it was made?

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My Fabia's just done the same thing, it had a slight delay throwing over a few times recently but chose today to have a hissy fit. Just when I needed it to be on the button for a hospital run, TYPICAL!!

I've got a 41 year old Morris that has to have the petrol pump tapped cos of sticking points, I really thought that we'd have moved on a bit since it was made?

Sorry, that did made me chuckle :giggle:

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Yeeeeers ago ( talking lucas gear now), it used to be possible to strip down solenoids and starters . For a quick check on solenoid - ( and it might be best to use an autoranging DVM,with a hold function) ,test across main feed ( heavy cables on solenoid). Initial reading should be =battery volts . On start this should drop to less than 0.5volt. Any more and contact strip is dirty . Used to do this as a yearly maintenance check on an old Maxi i owned.

Beerbarrel - same problem occurred on Austins -I had similar on an old A40 . Clean points and stick a 1uF capacitor across them as a spark quench.

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Yeah it was the solanoid that he hit at the top of the starter motor.

As far as I can see it can be replaced separately, however, I'm not sure if you can buy just the starter solanoid. I've had a quick look around and everyone sells the whole starter motor and these retail at over £100.

I had the exact same problem.

Took it to Skoda who said I needed a new starter motor. Goodbye £300 quid.

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So i just happen to have the same problem at the gas pump :) did not start and battery good as far as i know, so it could be that solanoid  could be the problem ? 

it is a comon thing even if the battery is low it always tries to start the engine but no it dose not even try? 

so i am first guess would be the solanoid.. 

 

Thank you all for this wonderful Skoda forum i have fixed many things on my skoda from this forum. 

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If it was the solenoid then you should hear the starter operate like a wurrrr but it wouldn't kick the engine over because the solenoid has failed to engage the starter gear.

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If it was the solenoid then you should hear the starter operate like a wurrrr but it wouldn't kick the engine over because the solenoid has failed to engage the starter gear.

 

The solenoid is also a relay which switches the starter motor on, so a starter with a failed solenoid would be totally dead.

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So i just happen to have the same problem at the gas pump :) did not start and battery good as far as i know, so it could be that solanoid  could be the problem ? 

it is a comon thing even if the battery is low it always tries to start the engine but no it dose not even try? 

so i am first guess would be the solanoid.. 

 

Thank you all for this wonderful Skoda forum i have fixed many things on my skoda from this forum. 

Check the wire going to the solenoid, as suggested in post #2. On Mk1 Fabias this is nearly always the problem when these symptoms present. Not sure if Octavias have similar problems.

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The solenoid is also a relay which switches the starter motor on, so a starter with a failed solenoid would be totally dead.

Ah I see:)

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