pop down here and I will do a free run to compare.

I'm on a K04 turbo now but thanks for the offer. I usually prefer to go to dyno days and only use dyno dynamics RR's, that way you get to see if stock cars are making stock power.

Well used the car abit yesterday well pleased with the differance yes its nothing like my.old S4 but nothing ever will be..!!

Yes we did end up going Revo but many thanks to Bill for all his time and effort trying to get his software to work.

Would highly recomend Badger 5 to anyone

I was involved with tuning aspects(forge m)for many years and can't fault Bills work efforts...

Maybe worth getting a tsi rr day arranged @ Badger 5 to see what a lot of these cars are actually running. Then we can get some proper comparisons from the same Dyno..???

Was thinking the same. I've not heard good things about the ECM software but I've not used it either so not fair for me to judge. But I do like ols. Hearded good things about Swiftec too.

Didn't know you were in this game now too John

Will have to take a run out in your Fabia!

I'm on a K04 turbo now but thanks for the offer. I usually prefer to go to dyno days and only use dyno dynamics RR's, that way you get to see if stock cars are making stock power.

Dont be sucked into the DD rollers are the only accurate rollers PR BS...

They only measure atw and add a factor to get to an at the fly figure... so not the full picture, and variances will occur from drivetrain variances, wheels, tyres, gear used etc etc etc

Stock cars make stock power here, when they're healthy...

Mines not a happy dyno and many will testify too..

Figures look good, much better than the Shark "Stage 2" I got on my TSI

Your car is making more power in every part of the rev range than mine. Shark claimed this was due to me only have the TBE (200 cel) and a ITG panel filter but as far as I know, the intake only benefits up at the top of the revs.

Your car is making nearly 210bhp at 3000rpm, mine is only making 190bhp at that point.

Revo looks to be the better software for TSI although I have just found faults for my DV being broken so I need to resolve that.

Dont be sucked into the DD rollers are the only accurate rollers PR BS...

They only measure atw and add a factor to get to an at the fly figure... so not the full picture, and variances will occur from drivetrain variances, wheels, tyres, gear used etc etc etc

Stock cars make stock power here, when they're healthy...

Mines not a happy dyno and many will testify too..

I'm not sucked in but they seem to be the choice of most forums as they seem to give result which are consistent between their Dyno's up and down the country. They are also known as the heartbreaker dyno by many as they too don't seem to over read. Many swear by JKM's dyno which is Dyno Dynamics too.

Cheers hofmeister its nice to get some info from another tsi driver what did your shark stage 2 run out of interest.

Cheers hofmeister its nice to get some info from another tsi driver what did your shark stage 2 run out of interest.

256bhp and 319lbs torque, Shark reckon that the car was left on the rollers for a long time and was really hot, hence they think it's another 5 or so bhp more in reality, however I overlaid your graph on mine in photoshop and you can see that your curve is more aggressive and builds power and torque better. This is the case all over the power band and so I don't think Shark's map is as good as yours.

My graph

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=30432

All the guys on here who say their car makes more, don't have any dyno graphs to back it up. I believe that stage 2 on a Tsi is good for 260 to 270 bhp. You are about in the middle but your intake is not one of the best. Possibly with an ITG maxogen you'd be seeing 270.

Who cares.....I bet it goes well!

Next time I'll go Revo

Interesting graph.

Ron - Not that its got any relation to the TSI but out of interest what software was on your old stage 2 TFSI? Was it Revo or Bluefin?

I had Blufin stage 2 with a Nuspeed intake and only the down pipe and cat (pipewerx) that car was fast! Felt quicker then my TSI and when RR'ed it made 278bhp, however it is likely that was a duff figure from the Dastek RR at Motorscope.

BTW just realised that was the wrong graph, it was the PDT map making 238bhp. I've updated the link to the Shark map.

Hofmeister

Totally agree with u on the intake probably going to do a 80mm jetex cone off similar pipe to the itg stage 2(samco hose) kit

It does work fine but think bigger the better on these engine's

Pete.

Dynos that "calculate" run down losses are no more accurate than those that use a correction factor , if you want an engine figure use an engine dyno

If you want to know how much power your car is putting on the road (the only figure that really matters) then measure that and forget about using a correction factor just to give a bigger number

All the arguing is BS if you consistently use the same dyno you will find how much your mods gave added doesn't matter if its optimistic or a heartbreaker

Comparing different cars on different dynos on different days is nonsense and totally pointless

256bhp and 319lbs torque, Shark reckon that the car was left on the rollers for a long time and was really hot, hence they think it's another 5 or so bhp more in reality, however I overlaid your graph on mine in photoshop and you can see that your curve is more aggressive and builds power and torque better. This is the case all over the power band and so I don't think Shark's map is as good as yours.

My graph

http://www.briskoda....attach_id=30432

All the guys on here who say their car makes more, don't have any dyno graphs to back it up. I believe that stage 2 on a Tsi is good for 260 to 270 bhp. You are about in the middle but your intake is not one of the best. Possibly with an ITG maxogen you'd be seeing 270.

Who cares.....I bet it goes well!

Next time I'll go Revo

We'd love to see the Revo result on our dyno and see what it's putting out against one of our cars. There's no point comparing a plot from two different dynos.

Revo stage 1 on a 2.0TSI Octavia is apparently 275bhp according to their application list: http://www.revotechn...K __ 301111.pdf

On our dyno it was 243bhp as seen here:

Our Stage 2 on a manual car with ITG intake and full Milltek

If for any reason you are unhappy with the work we have done Hofmeister, please call the office to discuss it and we will do our best to help.

Hey Ben, I've messaged you.

Quick query - on a dyno how does it get the barometric pressure? I deal a lot with barometric pressure with work and the figures intend to see on our monitor tends not to be as 'severe' as ones I see on rr printouts.

Also regarding low down torque on the remaps - are these wound back at all to preserve manual clutches? In my days of remapping Lancia's the most powerful wasn't always the best as with 4x4 and road clutch the clutch life had to be considered. Paddle clutches arent ideal for parking

Quick query - on a dyno how does it get the barometric pressure? I deal a lot with barometric pressure with work and the figures intend to see on our monitor tends not to be as 'severe' as ones I see on rr printouts.

Also regarding low down torque on the remaps - are these wound back at all to preserve manual clutches? In my days of remapping Lancia's the most powerful wasn't always the best as with 4x4 and road clutch the clutch life had to be considered. Paddle clutches arent ideal for parking

In my experience, the operator has a weather station on the wall of the dyno room and takes the data from there

On another forum I'm on its not unheard of for people to check the pressure on that day if they dont buy the figures posted up by someone :), they will also call BS if the air temperature and intake temperature are more than 7 or 8 degrees different

Temperature and pressure manipulation is one of the easiest ways a dyno operator can alter figures

Edited 12 September, 201213 yr by Richf

We'd love to see the Revo result on our dyno and see what it's putting out against one of our cars. There's no point comparing a plot from two different dynos.

Revo stage 1 on a 2.0TSI Octavia is apparently 275bhp according to their application list: http://www.revotechn...K __ 301111.pdf

On our dyno it was 243bhp as seen here:

Thats no surprise. REVO have always exaggerated their published figures. Figures sell maps, REVO quote inflated figures, then people fall for it and use them. Comical.

And your Dyno is pretty accurate as well from what i have seen on it previously

Thats no surprise. REVO have always exaggerated their published figures. Figures sell maps, REVO quote inflated figures, then people fall for it and use them. Comical.

And your Dyno is pretty accurate as well from what i have seen on it previously

Comical maybe; but Revo in my opinion provide one of, if not, the best remaps for the 2.0 TSI. I am no fan of Revo anymore as a company and won't be using them again. Revo massively overstate their figures and when I challenged them on one of their facebook photo posts they removed my comments; to say i was p1ssed off was an understatement.

Whilst I therefore avoid endorsing Revo now here are some facts relevant to this discussion based on personal experience.

The dyno graph posted by Ben above is of my car and I don't have any reason to think it isn't accurate. Dyno figures are interesting but for me it's about how the car performs on the road and and how it compares to other cars. I'll be honest though, I expected it to produce a little more but it is what it is.

Last year, myself and geordiesherman did a number of comparisons between his car running Shark stage 1 and my car running Revo Stage 1 performance mode 1. Both cars were virtually brand new, both 11 reg and with similar mileage. We did a number of side by side runs and timed in gear acceleration times and also drove each others cars to ensure driver ability didn't affect things. The tests weren't particularly scientific but we both concluded that there was very little performance difference between the Revo stage 1 map and the Shark stage 1 map.

Geordiesherman swapped his Shark remap for a Revo remap (for reasons that aren't relevant to this discussion) and had it set to performance mode 2. We repeated the above tests and concluded that the performance difference between my car running Revo performance mode 1 and his running performance mode 2 was significant. In a side by side drag race from circa 30mph geordiesheman's car pulled away over a car length before we reached ~70mph; having driven it and also been in it as a passenger, it just felt quicker than mine, no question. Of course, very soon after, I had mine switched to performance mode 2.

The assumption would therefore have to be that the difference between Shark stage 1 and Revo stage 1 performance 2 would be the same - the Revo should be quicker. Of course, this is a bit like comparing apples with pears, as I am sure Ben can offer an equivalent Shark stage 1 remap to run on 98ron but clearly I can't comment on how that would compare to Revo performance mode 2.

Therefore, if mine is 243bhp (as measured on Ben's rollers), I would logically expect the Shark stage 1 standard remap to be a bit less based on my experience above. Of course this is just the peak figure and it's the area under the curve that counts, plus the torque figures play their part too.

Based on this, the 256bhp figure that Hofmeister had his Shark stage 2 dynoed at doesn't sound unreasonable. I originally expected it to be making more but I've now seen that stage 1 (both Revo and Shark) don't make as much as I originally thought.

The 266bhp that vrspete's Revo stage 2 looks impressive (albeit down on torque IMO) but it's difficult to compare to Hofmeister's Shark stage 2 as they were on different dynos.

In summary, yes Revo massively overstate their claims on the 2.0TSI, but in my personal experience their remap still delivers better performance than others. Having said that, and as stated above, I still wouldn't use them again but would consider the likes of Shark or APR as frankly, they provider better customer service and support.

Edited 12 September, 201213 yr by Guest

256bhp and 319lbs torque, Shark reckon that the car was left on the rollers for a long time and was really hot, hence they think it's another 5 or so bhp more in reality, however I overlaid your graph on mine in photoshop and you can see that your curve is more aggressive and builds power and torque better. This is the case all over the power band and so I don't think Shark's map is as good as yours.

My graph

http://www.briskoda....attach_id=30432

All the guys on here who say their car makes more, don't have any dyno graphs to back it up. I believe that stage 2 on a Tsi is good for 260 to 270 bhp. You are about in the middle but your intake is not one of the best. Possibly with an ITG maxogen you'd be seeing 270.

Who cares.....I bet it goes well!

Next time I'll go Revo

I have a dyno sheet for mine....... see below

Hey firestormwest, what mods do you have? I can see you have a CAI but do you also have an exhaust etc?

I've used AMD in the past and they were very good but too far away from me these days......this does just go on to reinforce that my car is not making what it should be, trying to work it out with the guys at Shark now. The only thing I don't have is an intake, I've just got a standard air box with an ITG panel filter.

I am actually going to get an intake and then we'll see what the real deal is!

Although I just realised that your Torque figure is down on what it should be for a TSI, I'm getting 319lbs and that seems pretty common. You're getting just under 280?

Interesting the stage 2s don't get much more torque, or on occasion less, than stage 1. Mine is 315lb ft.

Interesting the stage 2s don't get much more torque, or on occasion less, than stage 1. Mine is 315lb ft.

Eh? Most stage 2s I've seen are around the 320lbs mark. Mine is 319lbs.

However, it would make sense that the torque doesn't increase proportionally with BHP when going to stage 2 and by opening up the intake and the downpipe you would lose some gas speed. For example, having an exhaust that is too big (not enough back pressure) will hurt torque figures.

Eh? Most stage 2s I've seen are around the 320lbs mark. Mine is 319lbs.

However, it would make sense that the torque doesn't increase proportionally with BHP when going to stage 2 and by opening up the intake and the downpipe you would lose some gas speed. For example, having an exhaust that is too big (not enough back pressure) will hurt torque figures.

The op's torque on revo stage 2 is 295lb ft

Hey firestormwest, what mods do you have? I can see you have a CAI but do you also have an exhaust etc?

I've used AMD in the past and they were very good but too far away from me these days......this does just go on to reinforce that my car is not making what it should be, trying to work it out with the guys at Shark now. The only thing I don't have is an intake, I've just got a standard air box with an ITG panel filter.

I am actually going to get an intake and then we'll see what the real deal is!

At the time it was all standard even the filter and 95 Ron fuel. I assume my map has sacrificed torque for BHP, I am more than pleased having lived with the map for 2.5 years!

Im surprised the clutch handles the torque levels achieved by other maps.

I don't think the CAI makes a lot of difference may get it RR again some time with the CAI, 97 RON and 40000 miles.

Edited 12 September, 201213 yr by firestormwest