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Around the turn of 2012 and 2013 will introduce new, in modern history, a third-generation family model Škoda Octavia. Alongside this news Rapid head up a new model - will be bigger and gets the latest technology in VW.

Technique to none

The basic condition is given by: new modular platform provides a space in the engine compartment just for aggregates that are inclined backward. This measure combines several advantages: shorter front overhang allows the same external dimensions to move the front axle forward more and thus increase the space for the crew. It also improves the weight distribution. Finally, engines with exhaust pipes on the back side have better placement catalyst and the particulate filter, a higher reliability of such parts.

The new modular engines are common a few things. The turbocharger is already in the VW became the norm, now it will be added to the water-cooled exhaust manifolds, which are part of the engine head. Lower flue gas temperature yields smaller proportion of emissions and also means less burden on the turbocharger.

Petrol engines EA211

The new generation of petrol engines is characterized by distribution valve DOHC, which is instead problematic chain driven belt, as well as variable valve timing and a lightweight aluminum.

Octavia III gets three-cylinder from the Citigo , all other currently planned EA211 engines, however, will get under her hood.

1.2 TSI from the menu disappears. Osmiventilové current four-cylinder engines to be mounted modular platform and the new Octavia will be relatively weak engines too big car. Brand 1.2 TSI Thus, the domain of the new Rapid . Later, but could range from below the engine still enrich whole new generation TSI/77 1.2 kW, which will disappear with delicate timing chain and cylinder head gets four valves per cylinder, which allows you to use variable timing.

1.4 TSI is again a new engine with known parameters - in the new construction will increase due to longer stroke and smaller bore size to 1395 cm ^3, but output of 90 kW and torque of 200 Nm remain. This will be to the market of the weakest petrol engine that Octavia gets.

The Group has in advance a stronger 1.4 TSI with 118 kW. With him, but allows for smaller and lighter cars - like the Golf and Leon version with minor sports ambitions.

1.4 TSI with ACT off cylinders and 103 kW is the way to reduce emissions and homologation real consumption. By Octavia gets well right from the beginning, even before to begin shipping in BlueGT Volkswagen Polo and Audi A1 Sportback 1.4 TFSI .

Wait on the contrary, we have TSI/110 to 1.4 kW in combination with a 20kW electric motor. It is rather a matter of distant future, the first hybrid pull out soon under the brand Volkswagen or Audi. Deploying to Octavia but technically nothing prevents, as in the case of the upcoming 1.4 TCNG / 81 kW burning natural gas.

Petrol engines EA888

EA888 series, which has its origin at the Audi is the only existing motors, which can be integrated into the MQB platform. Skoda used the third generation supercharged osmnáctistovky .

1.8 TSI new generation has already run in the Audi A4 and A5. Power of 132 kW is equal to the first generation Octavia RS , the Octavia III but will be part of the motor current standard offer. Torque will peak again by 250 Nm, due to the possibility to use the seven-DSG. This limit also applies to the Audi A3, while in the longitudinal A4/A5 models stored in the same engine achieves 320 Nm.

2.0 TSI Octavia could theoretically get well, but it remains forbidden. The damage will have the privilege to use a two-liter petrol Superb .

The VW 2.0 TSI engine will get new generations of fast models only seventh generation Golf GTI , Leon Cupra and Audi S3. In them the EA888 engine in combination with MQB platform without any modifications to produce up to 2015, is underway but the new version is even stronger, with up to 225 kW (300 hp).

Diesel engines EA288

The new range of diesel engines is still important news. Here it is literally existential necessity - new engines are developed from the beginning with regard to the Euro 6 emissions standard, which will come into force from 2014. Completely redesigned layout particulate filter and catalytic converters, newly on the back side of the engine, significantly facilitates removal of nitrogen oxides in the exhaust gases.

1.6 TDI is about as EA288 in two versions - 66 kW/230 Nm and 77 kW/250 Nm. Octavia but now uses only the equivalent of a stronger one, and a new generation that will be the same. For details about the new engine yet unknown.

2.0 TDI arises in several versions, but so far everything revolves around variations tuned to 110 kW and 320 Nm. Since the new design has a base with a common current TDI bore 81.0 mm stroke length and 95.5 mm, respectively. volume 1968 cm ^3rd Among the numerous technological innovations include cross arrangement of valve train where each camshaft in the cylinder controls one intake and one exhaust valve.

The new Leon at the Paris Motor Show for the first time introduce a stronger version 2.0 TDI with 135 kW and 380 Nm, still single-turbo supercharged. According to our information, this option gets to Octavia, not as a diesel RS , but the standard offer.

Gearbox and chassis

The power transmission will take care of six-speed manual and seven-speed dual clutch gearbox. In most cases, will be associated only with the front wheels, more powerful engines, but given the popular 4x4.

MQB platform allows you to use a simpler trailing multi-link rear axle, as illustrated example of the new Audi A3 , where the engines up to 100 kW complicated rear suspension denied. It is therefore possible that the version of the Škoda family focus (and without 4x4) choose a simpler solution.

Design rapid, yet another

The international presentation of the Rapid Octavia We briefly talked with Jozef Kaban, chief designer Mladoboleslavská car. He is on his next work properly proud and honest about one important thing: "in size and design will be against Rapid visible difference."

What does this mean in practice? Simple grille and large fog lights are a feature of all new Skoda, Octavia, and so it can not be exempted. At the same time, we can count on a series of specific detail, whether inspired by a current or older models. Design continuity is to be another significant element of new models. New this will probably add even ladn?jší proportions - while Rapid 2602 mm wheelbase is 24 mm longer than the current Octavia, Octavia III could add another 8 inches. Furthermore, it will have a shorter front overhang. Skoda Octavia III - preliminary data of the motors Engine 1.4 TSI 1.4 TSI ACT 1.8 TSI 1.6 TDI 2.0 TDI 2.0 TDI Transmission 6M 6M 6M - 6M 6M Displacement [cm ^3] 1,395 1,395 1,798 - 1,968 1,968 Bore x Stroke [mm] 74.5 x 80.0 74.5 x 80.0 84.1 x 82.5 - 81.0 x 95.5 81.0 x 95.5 Cylinders / valves 4/4 4/4 4/4 4/4 4/4 4/4 Maximum power [kW] 90 103 132 77 110 135 Maximum power [min ^-1] 5000-6000 4500-6000 5100-6200 - 3500-4000 - The biggest turning. mom. [Nm] 200 250 250 250 320 380 The biggest turning. mom. [Min ^-1] 1400-4000 1500-3500 1250-5000 - 1750-3000 -

Not the easiest to read due to translation,. Pretty much as expected though in terms of engine line up etc.

Edited 12 October, 201213 yr by Jockdooshbag

To summarise (I think)

New VW modular platform being used to improve cabin space, weight distribution and better positioning of CATs, Turbos and DPFs.

New petrol engines being used: belt driven, DOHC, aluminium construction

1.2 TSI - being dropped

1.4 TSI - reworked with 90kW/200 Nm (120hp/147lb/ft) - new 1.4 has been developed for use in smaller cars

1.4 TSI with ACT (active cylinder technology?) 103 kW/250Nm (138hp/184lb/ft) - new emission busting technology

Existing petrol engines being used:

1.8TSI - 132KW/250Nm (177hp/184lb/ft)

2.0TSI - could be used, but not allowed for now, restricted to the Superb.

Diesel engine

1.6 TDI - 2 flavours - 66 kW/230 Nm (88hp/170lb/ft) and 77 kW/250 Nm (103hp/184lb/ft). Octavia to use the larger one

2.0 TDI - several versions possible - but 2 versions so far is 110 kW/320 Nm (147hp/236lb/ft) and 135 kW/380Nm (181hp/280lb/ft)

Gearbox

6 speed manual & 7 speed dual-clutch.

All front wheel drive - option for 4x4

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Edited 13 October, 201213 yr by LankyPaddy

And presumably a vRS chucking out 170bhp, or 200 if you can afford the petrol.

I hate kw and Nm, doesnt mean anything. Its like KPH i always do a quick calculation in my head to convert to MPH before i can get a feel for it. Bloody euro's.

I was assuming the VRS diesel would get the 2.0tdi from the current audi range i.e 175bhp and 275lb/ft at the very least or is this what the stupid kw and nm equates to???

I hate kw and Nm, doesnt mean anything. Its like KPH i always do a quick calculation in my head to convert to MPH before i can get a feel for it. Bloody euro's.

I was assuming the VRS diesel would get the 2.0tdi from the current audi range i.e 175bhp and 275lb/ft at the very least or is this what the stupid kw and nm equates to???

welcome to the modern age without imperial units.. I'll translate:

1kW = 1,36 donkey powers, do the math. It's not that hard.

As for torque - 380Nm = around 280lb/ft

I hate kw and Nm, doesnt mean anything. Its like KPH i always do a quick calculation in my head to convert to MPH before i can get a feel for it. Bloody euro's.

I was assuming the VRS diesel would get the 2.0tdi from the current audi range i.e 175bhp and 275lb/ft at the very least or is this what the stupid kw and nm equates to???

I updated my post.

I'll be interested to see how VAG assign the 2.0 TSI engine down the range in terms of states of tune. The report says it could hit 225kw (300 hp ). But I can't see them putting that into an Octavia, I'd have thought they would save that for a higher "prestige" car. 230hp maybe? Certainly leaves some scope for tuning though!

And presumably a vRS chucking out 170bhp, or 200 if you can afford the petrol.

Nah, they'll up the diesel vRS to 180bhp (the 135kW varient). To do otherwise would be illogical.

Furthermore, I'd be pretty shocked if the petrol vrs ended up being anything other than an EA888 varient with around 210bhp. I'm not sure if they'll give it valve lift or not. I would hope so?

The new golf GTI gets 258lb/ft which is a fair increase so hopefully the VRS gets this too. More importantly the new engines mean i can get a petrol for under my companys 160kg/km threshold. Dancer.

1.4 TSI with ACT (active cylinder technology?) 103 kW/250Nm (138hp/184lb/ft) - new emission busting technology

Many years ago I read about Audi developing an engine that would "drop" cylinders when power wasn't required (e.g. just cruising along at 60) or become a 6 stroke when power wasn't required (again cruising at 60). The 5th and 6th strokes were just circulating air. (Suck, squeeze, bang, blow, breathe in, breathe out). Obviously burning less fuel would mean less emissions. Maybe it's finally come to fruition?

Many years ago I read about Audi developing an engine that would "drop" cylinders when power wasn't required (e.g. just cruising along at 60) or become a 6 stroke when power wasn't required (again cruising at 60). The 5th and 6th strokes were just circulating air. (Suck, squeeze, bang, blow, breathe in, breathe out). Obviously burning less fuel would mean less emissions. Maybe it's finally come to fruition?

Cylinder deactivation. Runs as a 2 cylinder car under light loads. Their V8 already does this, very clever. This 1.4 tsi sounds like a pretty good engine. In the new golf it manages to propel it to 62mph in a tad over 8 secs. Not bad at all especially as the combined mpg is 60mpg. If we could get this on 2.o tsi engine even better.

Edited 12 October, 201213 yr by Jockdooshbag

Furthermore, I'd be pretty shocked if the petrol vrs ended up being anything other than an EA888 varient with around 210bhp. I'm not sure if they'll give it valve lift or not. I would hope so?

yep, that would be my guess too - keep to "brand positioning" the vrs at same/below equivalent vw or seat for power output, but use the TSI EA888 engine they already put in the A4 is the same but with the variable valve timing - no more power but more torque/better co2.

although it's pretty academic for me as i'll be getting one of the last mk2s..

I may well entertain getting a Mk3. Will depend on the final looks of it.

BTW - not sure if it was posted before....

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/geneva-motor-show-2013/third-generation-skoda-octavia-spied-testing

The Mk3 needs more power it would be a damn shame to be the slow performance "VAG" of the range i think it deserves it.

Something like a VRS-R with the 265hp engine would be great.

never gonna happen

Mk3

1.8

Elegance or L&K

Few extras 'toys'

Thank you Santa.

I think the VRS will be a higher HP 2.0 TSI too.

New petrol engines being used: Chain driven, DOHC, aluminium construction

1.2 TSI - being dropped

1.4 TSI - reworked with 90kW/200 Nm (120hp/147lb/ft) - new 1.4 has been developed for use in smaller cars

1.4 TSI with ACT (active cylinder technology?) 103 kW/250Nm (138hp/184lb/ft) - new emission busting technology

Existing petrol engines being used:

1.8TSI - 132KW/250Nm (177hp/184lb/ft)

2.0TSI - could be used, but not allowed for now, restricted to the Superb.

EA211 petrol engines have belt driven camshafts as do EA288 diesel engines.

AFAIK The MQB platform is designed for a fixed engine/exhaust/transmission layout, hence only the new modular engines EA211 aor EA288 will be used. So that means no 1.8Tsi or 2.0 Tsi until they are redesigned.

BTW - not sure if it was posted before....

http://www.autocar.c...a-spied-testing

from the autocar article:

"A vRS version, likely to have around 220bhp from a 2.0 TSI, is set to be revealed at the Goodwood Festival of Speed next summer"

looks like rear multi link suspension is reserved for larger engines only and smaller engines will get the simple rear beam set up

MQB platform allows you to use a simpler trailing multi-link rear axle, as illustrated example of the new Audi A3 , where the engines up to 100 kW complicated rear suspension denied -

More confirmation of what we already suspected.

So they've upped the torque limits of their gearboxes from 350 to 380Nm. But come-on guys. Bring in the 400's like everyone else.

These engines will be faster. They are showing a wider band for both maximum torque and maximum power. Similar peak figures but I think more area under the curve, which is where it actually matters.

AFAIK The MQB platform is designed for a fixed engine/exhaust/transmission layout, hence only the new modular engines EA211 aor EA288 will be used. So that means no 1.8Tsi or 2.0 Tsi until they are redesigned.

But from the OP:

Petrol engines EA888

EA888 series, which has its origin at the Audi is the only existing motors, which can be integrated into the MQB platform.

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The VW 2.0 TSI engine will get new generations of fast models only seventh generation Golf GTI , Leon Cupra and Audi S3. In them the EA888 engine in combination with MQB platform without any modifications to produce up to 2015, is underway but the new version is even stronger, with up to 225 kW (300 hp). -

I assumed that meant the EA888 engine could, and was, being used without modification. Albeit in a higher state of tune

Oh well that pretty much means my first vRS will be my last. Love the car but just enough power for me without throwing my warranty away.