hi all

Whats the difference bar the CR being cheaper to tax?

Im going to view a 56 plate vrs derv tomorrow which I believe has the PD engine but what are the good and bad points of the two engines?

cheers

I've just sold a PD A4 170, all I can say is avoid like the plague. Had the injector recall, since then very poor running on cold idle. I just didn't trust it. Do a search on google and you'll see I'm not the only one.

Also factor in DPF problems and DMF. Mine was starting to go.

PD sounds like a tractor, CR doesn't.

Both lack the performance or fun factor of either the tfsi or tsi.

CR came through on a 58 reg but some of the last PDs came through as well.

Forums usually tend to highlight problems people have with their cars as opposed to all the other good things.

I have a pd170 VRS and had the injectors changed under the recall, no problems since.

I have only had it a couple of months and its the best car I've had. 45 plus mpg on my trip meter over 2000 miles and I enjoy giving it the beans.

The pd engine is said to be less refined and noisier but the power low down is more noticeable, the cr has a smoother power band so you don't really get the kick in the back when you boot it.

If you budgeting for a 56 plate your going to find it hard to get one with a CR engine which came in at about 2008, I think maybe later, someone else will confirm.

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As above somebody confirmed the date they started production with cr engines.

I owned a tfsi for a brief period before my tdi and to be honest I was expecting a lot more out of the petrol, coming from a 24 year old with fiat pinto, ford focus, Nissan navara and a Honda civic cdti for his previous cars

The derv is nearly as quick on your daily drive as the petrol I feel.

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budget wise im looking at about 8k and it seems that will only get you up to about 2008 if you are lucky

Finding vrs's in my area is really difficult, im traveling about 60 miles tomorrow to see one lol

I've heard about the injector recall (same as on the Audi A3 etc i guess?) DPF problems, surely they are only if you never drive it out of town aren't they?

The derv is nearly as quick on your daily drive as the petrol I feel.

I went from tfsi vrs to a CR vrs to a tsi vrs and I wouldn't agree.

A remapped CR is broadly on par with a tsi i would say.

main thing for me is it to be as quick or quicker than my civic vti-s and useable speed my 1.6 bluemation vw caddy is almost as quick as that due to the lack of torque lol

I think my wife fabia would be as quick as those lol

tbh its not a slouch but you have to rev it. Fun it is, cheap to run it certainly isnt lol

Have had my 56 plate vrs 170pd for a cpl of weeks now and love it ! Cost me 7.5k with 18000 miles on it full service history. It will definatley put a smile on your face when u drive it hard.

I test drove a pd before I bought my cr, both vrs. The cr is so much nicer to drive. Just as fast, but doesn't give you a lump of power, spreads it out.

i am on my third 1.9 diesel never had a problem mind you no dpf.

I went from tfsi vrs to a CR vrs to a tsi vrs and I wouldn't agree.

A remapped CR is broadly on par with a tsi i would say.

I would expect a remapped CR or PD to out accelerate a tsi, especially on a 40-70 mph overtake maneuver.

I would expect a remapped CR or PD to out accelerate a tsi, especially on a 40-70 mph overtake maneuver.

You might expect but it won't happen. From experience of both the tsi is quicker through the gears. I also remember having a go at a leon fr in my remapped cr and i couldn't quite keep up up with it. That's when I thought enough was enough and got my tsi and remapped that.

You might expect but it won't happen. From experience of both the tsi is quicker through the gears. I also remember having a go at a leon fr in my remapped cr and i couldn't quite keep up up with it. That's when I thought enough was enough and got my tsi and remapped that.

I have seen the opposite between Leon FR standard for standard but will always come down to lots of other variables I have driven both and my Fabia VRS stock (BTL engine) was putting out 151.5bhp stock before remap and at that it was doing better than a mates 2008 FR stock.

Both drive very differently. If you are after a typical diesel (tons of low down go, efficient but a little noisy) the PD is perfect. I personally prefer the PD engines power delivery, the CR's are more petrol like and need to be revved with a smoothed power delivery. Problem is they still suffer the typical low end lag and power tail off of a diesel, consequently they are in my opinion quite bland to drive and nothing like as flexible as the PD. Best to try both and see what you prefer.

Both drive very differently. If you are after a typical diesel (tons of low down go, efficient but a little noisy) the PD is perfect. I personally prefer the PD engines power delivery, the CR's are more petrol like and need to be revved with a smoothed power delivery. Problem is they still suffer the typical low end lag and power tail off of a diesel, consequently they are in my opinion quite bland to drive and nothing like as flexible as the PD. Best to try both and see what you prefer.

Sums them up well, I would say a CR is very uninspiring if its not remapped.

Ask if the injector recall has been done on a PD170 and check that the oil level is not above max. If it starts fine from cold and idles smoothly then the injector recall has been done correctly. If the oil level is above max chances are the injector recall has been badged and the seals are leaking diesel into the sump.

Once you buy it take it to Ben at Shark Performance for a Stage 1 remap and you will gain loads of extra torque, better fuel economy on a cruise and much smoother power delivery than standard - win win win !

Oh, and if you want the ultimate in reliability for the future get the DPF and EGR removed at the same time as the remap.

I have a PD170 vRS and I like it a lot.

I've had issues after the injector recall which had consequent issues for the DPF but all seems OK now.

Saying that the DMF is getting a bit vocal and the car isn't as easy to srive smoothly as it used to be.

A DPF removal and new DMF would do the trick but as it's running OK and I cover big mileage I'll wait until it really needs doing.

Would I buy another PD? Yes.

Would I buy a CR over a PD if I had the choice? Yes.

Silver you could be facing massive bills

Mine had very toxic fumes after the recall, Audi adamant it was normal and running fine. Seriously lumpy when cold with white smoke. A DMF that started to feel on its way out. It was time to get rid and the Blackline came along.

The fumes made your eyes water and your throat sore, that bad. I wouldn't recommend them based on new problems after the injector recall. I just didn't trust it.

That's because they botched the job. If it is done correctly you won't have problems.