Elegance is the same as the Monte, DRL and Fog in one unit. To activate the DRL there is a rocker switch in the fuse box under the steering column (not GreenLine though) and the bulbs are standard tail lamp type.

As Far as I'm aware the dark main lamp units work as per the pre facelift main units, in that the dipped beam and sidelight are on at the same time.

Regards,

TP

TP - thanks - so no actual "switch" to turn off the DRLs, just a fuse box thingy (not really an act of war to be usoing that on the move).

And I presume you mean there are sidelights, they also stay on when on dipped beam?

I WILL (probably) look later on.

Is there a switch for DRLs? Not the switch to turn on the fog lights? Or is this different between Montes and Elegance?

Recently, with the addition of freezing fog into the equation, dipped beam is almost too much, but sides and front fogs not quite enough.

As I understood it on the Monte (but would need to check myself), I start the car - DRLs only. Switch to side lights and the DRLs extinguish, side lights in the main headlight pod come on. Switch to dipped beam, the dipped beam is added. Pull the light selector and fogs come on (front then rear). No DRLs if the dipped beam is on.

Am I right? Is the Elegance set up as per the VRS (no front fogs, just the DRLs, single aperture), or as per my Monte (BIG aperture, DRL next to fogs, all standard bulbs, not an LED in sight)?

This is exactly right on my monte. And elegance same as monte. In freezing fog dipped beam is perfect with fogs... The best visibility of you from other road drivers... Not so much what you can see as you won't really break through the fog! But if people an see lights they won't pull out into you or drive into back of you... Quite common with people with aftermarket front fogs that insist on just using them leaving now rear visibly for others.

That's why rear fogs are legal standard in uk, fronts are not.

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And I presume you mean there are sidelights, they also stay on when on dipped beam?

Yes, what was the additional high beam 'spot' lamp on the Fabia II FL SE and Elegance (plus early vRS) is an active side light with the dark headlights. Comparing with my previous Elegance the Monte's dipped beam is on a par, if not slightly better (alignment might be set-up more accurately :wonder: ) and in high beam worse due to the missing spot lamp but similar to my lads 09 Fabia II 1 trim, which uses a reflector headlight with an H4 bulb.

TP

I've seen cornering DRLs being used, but haven't really paid attention to whether

a) Their headlights were on (so the cornering lights assist in corners);

Their front fogs/driving lights were on before and one turned off, or were they off, so one turned on?;

c) Whether their indicators were on;

BUT I reckon the ones I've seen (Superb yesterday, Ibiza today, Golf most mornings) were driving along and as they turn the lights came on.

As I know one should have been indicating (the Superb, turning at a junction towards me, at a distance, saw lights [DRLs] come on, then go out), one may have been (Golf, staggered crossroads, moving across the stagger) and one may not have been (Ibiza, saw it htis morning, just can't remember where and whether it should have been indicating), I'm none the wiser.

If they are cornering lights, to assist in visibility on corners, then they should light up when you turn the wheel off of straight ahead, otherwise they won't be assisting much, unless you're indicating (when you'll probably go static before turning).

This is a new technology thing, that irritates me far less than the headlight bulbs out issue...

You are confusing DRL's and front fog light's.

DRL's do not perform the function of the cornering fog lights, the fog lights do.

The Skoda Superb, VW Golf, and Seat Ibiza you reference all use their front fog lights to perform the role of cornering fog lights.

They come on when you turn the steering nothing to do with the indicators

Not quite, they come if you turn the steering wheel OR if you indicate at speeds under 40kph (25mph).

It is said by Silver1011 that these are only on with Headlights,

but actually, anyone that observes cars will see that some that used to drive with Fogs or Driving lights on during the day,

now have Lights enabled that also go out, one at a time as you turn.

Not in the dark or bad visibility. just in Daylight etc.

(Not DRL's)

If you have in fact seen a car that extinguishes it's DRL's as it turns corners then either you are mistaken or the car has an electrical issue.

Cornering fog lights only ever work when dipped headlights are turned on, irrespective of the manufacturer. This means that they will work during the day, but only if the car's dipped headlights are also on

I can only assume that you are witnessing the cornering fog light 'fading' as the car exits the corner and the steering wheel is straightened or the indicator is cancelled.

silver1011, as often as you tell me what i see,

i can tell you, you are wrong.

I have seen as you describe and i have seen the other combinations quite a lot this week.

You keep looking, and i will also.

There are cars with sidelights on that have Fogs or ancilary lights on that one goes out as they turn.

there are cars with DRL's on no other lights, with one light extinguishing as they turn.

** Friday afternoon was my favourite, a car driving towards me with no lights on just as it was getting dark,

then One right lower white light came on as 'she' cut across my path and went down a side street.

(safe distance there was traffic stopped up the road in front of me, so i was going slow)

No lights on and 'one white solid Fog or Ancillary light instead of an indicator came on, 62 plate VW.**

Was it the Sidelights or dipped lights that were faulty? no idea,

i just observed, because thats what drivers are supposed to do.

There is all sorts happening,

but one thing is pretty common, there is very seldom an indicator being used by these cars.

(not an orange indicator. indicating, could be as you say faulty, then there are lots of faulty cars,

or people messing with the set up, all the gear available and no idea maybe.)

So actually some warning that they intend doing some turn or change of direction in front of you is good.

Fade or gone out makes no difference , the ones that fade are not on at the end of the fading.

Enjoy your own lights & keep your observations going.

george

Silver1011-(Derren Brown)

Now can you tell me what this light is set to do, by just looking.?

If it was in the daylight, what is its purpose?

*It is not a Parking Light switched on!*

I've only ever seen individual fog lights coming on when cars are turning ie "cornering front foglights". They fade again when the car exits the turn. Looks naff imho (like one fog is broken lol).

Never seen DRLs being used for this.

Only ever see DRLs fading then coming on again when they are housed in the same unit as the indicator light (therefore fade a little so the indicator can be seen more clearly whilst it is on).

Never ever seen DRLs going on or off in response to turning the wheel. Mine only dim when the sidelights switch is activated. They both then dim to perform the 'sidelight' function.

35 years ago when a Mk3 Cortina Estate took my right leg off, it indicated with one white indicator flash just before hitting the crash bar on my bike. Leg amputated clean off against the tank.

Faded Orange lenses or bulbs back then in the 70's.

'Silver1011' says in another thread about advances in safety and car lights.

Actually it seems to me like 'back to the future'.

You might understand why i am slightly more observant of car lights and indications and drivers intentions.

george

How those lights were in the 70's.

Orange Bulbs got faded or lenses did at just a few years old..

The reason DRLs dim or go out on one side or the other when indicating is so that the indicator flashing can be seen. Most Audis and Jaguars do this as the DRL is in the same light cluster. On the vRS, for example, they wouldn't need to dim, being located down low.

But even then the individual DRL will only dim or extinguish if dipped headlights are on.

 

Three years later, with DRL's now common place there are no manufacturers that use DRL's for a cornering light function, so there is no way there will be a car with DRL's on and no other lights where the DRL's dim or extinguish individually, this can only happen if the indicator or dipped headlights are already on.

 

There are also no manufacturers that have cornering fog lights that operate only with side lights, dipped headlights are always needed.

 

The only way for a single fog light to light up without any other lights being on would be if both dipped headlight and both side light bulbs had blown, or the car has been modified.

You have been repeating this for several years now about what manufactures did and do, 

but you always seem to ignore what people have on cars, what they do to modify, fit after market, and those that run around with faulty lights.

(pleased to see this time you have mentioned that.)

 

There are many vehicles now with DRL's that never left a factory with DRL's fitted.

There are many that left a factory with ones that were supposed to function in a certain way for the country they were being Imported to and 

the 'user' then changes so that they operate in the way to suit another country (Word Region.)

eg

Where someone sets so that the Tail Lights show all the time when DRL's are Automatically on at the Front.

 

Plenty of Fiats around that might make a move and one white light to the front comes on where it might of come on with an indicator if the driver had bothered to indicate, and these might have no Side Lights or Head Lights on before the one cornering light comes on.

Edited 24 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Some BMW models left the factory with rear tails on with front DRL's, as do some Hyundai's and Kia models.

 

Of course Volvo have been doing this for years, but on later models dropped in with the crowd and turned off the rears in the UK.

 

The 'modified' or 'faulty' excuse seems to be a line you like to roll out only after you realise you were mistaken.

I know a little bit about them,

as my  Daily Drive is a 2003 S60 Volvo with Dim Dip Headlights and rear lights on all the time.

 

What i roll out is you need to stop generalising, we all drive and see what we see if we open our eyes and look at other vehicles and what there lights are doing or not doing.

You maybe need to go to Spec Savers or even a better optician, 

there are none as blind as those that can not see, 

or Special people that need special lighting to see, and yet others drivers seem to keep running into their vehicle.

Edited 24 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Drop the personal insults George, it is Christmas.

LOL,  of course it is, merry Christmas,

drive carefully, be seen be bright and dont dazzle other road users,

Can I just add my 2penneth....

Silver101. You said.... "Even the individual DRL will only dim or extinguish if dipped beams are on" this is incorrect, the DRL would not be on at all when dipped beam on.

DRLs never function as any type of cornering light. They do however dim on some cars when the indicator is selected (obviously BMWs do not do this) to make the indicator more visible.

Cornering fogs are just that, fog lights that illuminate when one of the two, or both of the following happen; the front wheels are tuned to or past a preset parameter below a preset speed, or the directional indicator is selected. The cornering fog light will not turn off the other fog light if they are already both on, and on most vehicles cornering fogs (if activated) will only illuminate when side lights (and above) are turned on.

You could also argue that cornering fog lights could also be referred to as directional/intention lights and should not be confused with directional/active headlights.

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There is a lost in translation and EU and UK and Construction and Use and the UK Highway Code.

They are called 'Cornering Fog Lights'  commonly, 

but Fog Lights have particular uses and are designed in a certain way, ie for use in Fog, like in Reduced Visibility etc, under 100 meters, 

 

So a Grey area came about where someone might never consider switching on a Pair of front fog lights when there is no Fog.

The UK Police might even stop you, and they do stop people with Fog Lights on when no fog.

 

Yet vehicles have a Single Fog light that comes on automatically as a Single Light to the Front regardless of being appropriate or not,

maybe even coming on as someone selects reverse.

No Fog, and the UK Highway code covers when Fog Lights may be used.

 

We must move with the times, but then the EU Regulations have not moved with the times.

So they are 'auxiliary' lights, and not part of the MOT in the UK, and a Grey Area in the UK Highway Code and legislation.

 

 

One Fog Light on at the wrong time is no less wrong than 2 being on. (not half an offence.)

& lights are supposed to operate as a matched pair, except as a Parking Light, Indicator or high level brake light, single rear fogs.

According to construction and use.

Edited 25 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

The debate is not wether they are right or wrong, nor if they are being used as fog lights. I thought the topic was 'how' they are used and under what 'circumstances' they are activated.

I've seen that picture of the yeti before on another thread, and remember you said the car was in reverse gear at the time, is that right? There is nothing to suggest that yeti is in reverse, no reflection in the bus stop behind as the rear tail light is. I have never seen a vehicles cornering fog light come on when in reverse, that's not to say it doesn't happen but on my fathers yeti they did not illuminate in reverse.

There must be some exceptions to the 'matched pair' aside from the above - indicators do not have a matched pair front and rear that illuminate the same time so if acting as an indication of intent maybe a cornering fog falls into that category?

I totally agree that prolonged use of both fog lights where there is no fog is unnecessary and potentially dangerous as well as illegal

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They can be activated to come on as you reverse and many have them doing just that.

People pull up in the dark, stick the car in Reverse and are oblivious to what those coming towards them might be seeing.

(Not many would select reverse and wait until safe to make the move, but put full beam on to the oncoming traffic.)

 

He is no longer in reverse, he took many moves to reverse, back and forward, (left, right, left right Fog on and off)

then parked, (that is how he got to the Bus Shelter, he never drove through it.) parked with the steering slightly turned, 

stopped for ages, (15 minutes i would think same as me waiting for collecting someone, but he had his engine running all that time and the lights as in the picture,)

just as people do at junctions, they stop, steering wheel slightly turned, & at traffic lights, side of the road,.

even wrong side of the road, 

for some reason having on 2 sidelights, 2 dipped beam and one other lights regardless of weather, lighting, visibility, other road users or circumstances.

(People that put 2 Fog Lights on would be clearly in the wrong, somehow one is acceptable to many.)

 

All that is needed is an Off Switch.

Simply Clever.  

Edited 25 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Sorry, my mistake I remember you saying that now. That is a lot of lights for a parking manoeuvre.

Would anyone use an on/off switch in those circumstances, or would we all be guilty of being too lazy and of the mindset that what we can't see doesn't bother us?

It would be better if the car could sense that the steering was being turned far to quickly to be in a flow of traffic/waiting to turn and just didn't activate.

Like the simply clever reference.

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Is the circumstance not that Cornering Fogs should be off unless a driver chooses to put them on.

Not Activated at the Dealers, then there all the time, Day, Night, in town, just always, and some drivers might not even know they come on in a car they are driving.

As happens so often.

Yes, I think it should be part of your personal preferences like number of presses to open the doors and teardrop wipe etc

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They are exactly like that. Select and there it stays.

You select how you want them or not just like one click lock / un-lock, anti highjack lock, disability steering assist, disability brake assist,. then thats it until you or someone un-selects. (Changes the setting.)

 

But its not just there to switch on or off like rear Fog, Front fogs, unless it is a car with it in Driver Select choices on the Dash settings, as some cars have.

Edited 25 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot