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Before anyone starts, this thread is not intended to antagonise anyone or to start any arguments, name calling etc, but is a genuine thread based on some observations that I've made in my limited time contributing to the forum (almost exclusively looking at the Octy 2 part).

I think that most people will agree that many of the contributors on here can be put into one of two separate camps - Petrol or Diesel. I have a diesel and quite like the way that they drive but certainly have no problems with anyone that prefers petrol power. However, many of the threads on here do almost degenerate into a heated discussion between why you should under no circumstances chose one fuel over another etc etc. I fully understand the arguments over higher purchase prices of diesel engined vehicles and the extra time & miles needed to recoup those costs, however, one of the main reasons cited for choosing petrol over diesel is that the fuel is cheaper to buy than diesel. Another thread has highlighted that many of the handbooks recommend using a higher Octane rating for some of the petrol engines - which means premium fuels which are actually priced more per litre than diesel.

So, for all those that despise the devils oily fuel, what do you fill your petrol tank up with - normal, supermarket or premium grade fuels - and how does that then stack up cost wise against running a diesel?

(Please lets not all fall out on this either ;) )

I don't despise diesel I would've gone for a Blackline I just wasn't sure if I'd blag it regularly enough to stop DPF issues.

In 900 miles I've averaged jut under 30mpg in my tsi an full it with standard BP/Shell etc unleaded, which on my iPhone app relates to 20p/mile

I had a an EP3 Civic Type R, and I'm not a heavy footed driver, however I did find that petrol from supermarkets seemed to go quicker than say petrol from shell.

I now have a Fab1 VRS with remap and filter and I've found the same or similar results. although i do tend to buy from BP or Sainsburys though due to my Nectar Card!

I just prefer the better refinement of the petrol, yes it cost me more money in long run but i fine it a price worth paying for

I dont despise "diseasel" Petrol suited our needs had a diesel BMW before (wish i kept it now) but the short journeys were killing it, Still enjoy the pterol though it revs so more freely and MPG wasnt a massive thing for me.

The TFSI surprises me on the MPG though i must admit, done an oil & filter change, spark plugs, air filter too and a recent 50 mile trip to Glasgow seen an average of 44mpg!!!

As you will see from my profile to the left, I have a Fabia vRS MK1 TDI and LOVE it! I do approximately 65 miles per day and it averages out to be 60-70 MPG depending on traffic and the like...this is the first car I have OWNED that is not Petrol but I have to say (for me) that the costs are cheaper on the diesel front due to economy...

I must say, I do prefer the punchiness and low down grunt of the TDI...

My previous car was a diesel - Mondeo ST TDCI - I 'went' petrol this time with the Octavia as my mileage has dropped off a fair bit. Had my mileage still been higher, I would have gladly bought a diesel - to me it's an economy of scale.....for higher mileages, the better economy of a diesel pays for itself (ie the higher cost of thre car initially, more frequent servicing but less frequent stops to fill up). Lower mileages to me seem to suggest pterol works better for your pocket. Time will tell if I have it right....

I'm quite happy with a car fuelled by either fuel in terms of driving......to me the choice is to suit your needs and is one with heavy not to economy of ownership.

The big deal for me is the way diesels can't breath with all the emissions control mechanisms fitted these days. The EGR, DPF and VNT are just three things causing problems for many on this forum. My turbo now requires replacement or cleaning and drives like it has TB.

I don't do the mileage to justify a diesel but the tax regime in Ireland mandates it. My next car will be a modern petrol or a diesel only with a seven year warranty.

When the car is on form I like the torque and the great mpg.

The last few cars I've had have been vag diesel. Made the decision to go for a petrol vrs as my mileage had dropped a bit ( still do about 17k/year) and when I took into account paying more for a second hand diesel plus diesel fuel costing more long-term it probably works out to break even. Love being able to rev the petrol and on a run back from aviemore this weekend I averaged just over 40mpg which i think is brilliant given the performance and sitting about 75mph most the way.

My previous 2 cars (non-Skoda) were both diesels, i've never done big mileage but just liked the idea of getting alot of mpg, when I decided to chop in the second (a Mazda 6 that developed a love for breaking intercoolers and turbos....) I was going to get another diesel until my local dealership came up with a year old 1.4 TSI Octavia - I was totally won over on first drive, the performance is decent for a small engine and I'm currently getting around 42 mpg which isn't far off what I was getting from the Mazda towards the end...

I went for diesel from petrol. Only doing 10k a year... But when I travel by car any distance it's often 100miles +. If we go away on hols it will be full of stuff inc kit and bikes and the extra pull is nice. It's cheaper to insure and tax than petrol too.

I don't hate diesel. Far from it. But I'm far more wary of them than I was. I think the old thinking of diesels running forever and only being run in at 70k are out dated now. Diesels are so complex that they are not as robust as they were and the DPF requirement is seriously limiting the life of many cars.

I do about 12k a year and run the car on super. Would I be better off with a derv? Yes but only as long as it didn't break.

Diesel suits me better for economy and I do over 20K a year. Always returning 56+mpg :)

The vRS Blackline with 20% off was such a good deal that it probably out-weighs any low mileage / petrol cost arguements anyway. Plus I love the amount of torque you get with the modern diesel turbo engines. Colleagues of mine have also commented on how quiet the CR engine is, not at all like the old rattly diesel.

Still only got just under 800 miles on the clock and averaging 44-45mpg on local runs and 49mpg+ on longer motorway runs - so it seems to be paying off for me. Plus it bl00dy shifts when you want it to!!

Before anyone starts, this thread is not intended to antagonise anyone or to start any arguments, name calling etc, but is a genuine thread based on some observations that I've made in my limited time contributing to the forum (almost exclusively looking at the Octy 2 part).

I think that most people will agree that many of the contributors on here can be put into one of two separate camps - Petrol or Diesel. I have a diesel and quite like the way that they drive but certainly have no problems with anyone that prefers petrol power. However, many of the threads on here do almost degenerate into a heated discussion between why you should under no circumstances chose one fuel over another etc etc. I fully understand the arguments over higher purchase prices of diesel engined vehicles and the extra time & miles needed to recoup those costs, however, one of the main reasons cited for choosing petrol over diesel is that the fuel is cheaper to buy than diesel. Another thread has highlighted that many of the handbooks recommend using a higher Octane rating for some of the petrol engines - which means premium fuels which are actually priced more per litre than diesel.

So, for all those that despise the devils oily fuel, what do you fill your petrol tank up with - normal, supermarket or premium grade fuels - and how does that then stack up cost wise against running a diesel?

(Please lets not all fall out on this either ;) )

I fill mine up with deisel..... sorry mate looks like your OP has already been hijacked! :giggle:

Diesels are more complex these days, but then are so are petrols what with turbos, stratified fuel injection, 3 way catalysts and the like. The next stage in diesel emission technology will get rid of the EGR, and the like and replacing it with diesel exhaust fluid and a catalyst.

Ian

We have a petrol Fabia VRS and a diesel Yeti, there is 10 bhp difference between them and I can honestly say I don't mind which I drive, the torque of the diesel is good on a B road when pushing on and it is also frugal on the motorway when cruising. MPG varies between 30 to almost 50 so comparable to a petrol.

The petrol Fabia is also a blast on the B roads but at a higher RPM, different driving style but still great fun, as for motorway cruising we achieve 40 ish so 30 to 40 mpg but fuel is slightly cheaper.

In conclusion, modern engines, petrol or diesel are both very good, if you are a petrol engined person and spent more than a ten minute test drive in a diesel you would find you like it, if you are a diesel driver and spend more than ten minutes in a petrol you will also find it a pleasure BUT you have to give it a chance and change your driving style to suit the engine.

Ach who cares at this time of year lol

My petrol warms up in minutes and defrosts my car in minutes !

That's all I care about at the moment ;)

Diesel all the way for me. 30k a year and genuine 53.5mpg. Works out about 12p per mile.

And it defrosts a warms up quickly ( but not a Skoda!)

Ach who cares at this time of year lol

My petrol warms up in minutes and defrosts my car in minutes !

That's all I care about at the moment ;)

Totally agree. That was the biggest drop back I found when i had diesel...took so long to warm up. Are the new cr diesels quicker to warm up?

The last few cars I've had have been vag diesel. Made the decision to go for a petrol vrs as my mileage had dropped a bit ( still do about 17k/year) and when I took into account paying more for a second hand diesel plus diesel fuel costing more long-term it probably works out to break even. Love being able to rev the petrol and on a run back from aviemore this weekend I averaged just over 40mpg which i think is brilliant given the performance and sitting about 75mph most the way.

That's interesting. I do about 16k a year, mixed motorway and urban, and I'd been wondering about the relative costs next time I change my car. I know a TFSI can give good economy but I'd be concerned it might not in my usage.

I like the way a diesel drives, but as I'd have DSG regardless the torque curve is less important....

Diesels for economy, petrols for enjoyment. Still hasn't changed.

I suspect most people are swayed by the obvious "better mpg" that diesels offer, as opposed to the way they drive

Yes a diesel will save you money on weekly fuel costs

But as seen all to often on here if it goes wrong it can cost you too, thus negating the fuel saving!

Car for car if they were the same price I probably chose the derv, but petrol Octavias are so cheap

For me I though why risk it I only do 12,000 a year

I love all Skoda drivers whatever car you have :love:

I've gone from the perfect skoda (race blue TFSI VRS) to a grey diesel - and honestly if I had my money back I'd do te same again.

Don't get my wrong - if money was no object I'd have the petrol, but 25mpg long term average out of a car which only drank super (which is the same price as derv anyway) vs a long term average of 38 with a relatively small 'real world' drop in performance makes it a no brainier now we have a nipper.

It's quite sad but the thing I miss the most is actually the exhaust note on startup.......

. Diesels are so complex that they are not as robust as they were and the DPF requirement is seriously limiting the life of many cars.

I do about 12k a year and run the car on super. Would I be better off with a derv? Yes but only as long as it didn't break.

That is very true. This is my first diesel but after 2 years and 15k on the clock ive never seen a DPF light or felt a re-gen. I do quite low milage but only use v-power diesel for it's clean buring properties as i try to keep the internals as clean as possible and reduce the risk of failure. The trouble with the latest petrol engines are they are now using the technology that was developed for diesel engines (High pressure fuel pumps, direct injection, turbocharging). I feel that in the next 5 years or so we will start seeing more failures of petrol engines and much higher repair bils when something goes wrong.

My wife has a 1.4 petrol fiesta that she bought new late 2007. It has never skipped a beat and we have both said we are happier to keep it until it drops to bits rather than buy one of the new "ecoboost" fords

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