Looking at a car at the moment and it is supposed to be around the 300bhp mark, what sort of work would it need to achieve this figure ?

nick at r-tech has nealry 300bhp from the standard k03s with a few choice mods and without upgrading the fuel pump

exhaust

intake

intercooler upgrade

but imo unless you go to the k04 then expect 270 bhp +

Cheers, that's what I ex

Cheers, that's what I expected to be the case, if I but it my first port ad call will be to get it dyno'd and see what the true figure is.

Thanks for the quick reply :-)

Even if the current owner has a rolling road print out for 300, it doesn't mean anything.

As I'm sure you know.

I had one for 285 on the Fabia (from AMD), which was more like 255.

To get 300 bhp I would say you need the following:

exhaust & DP

intake

intercooler upgrade

HPFP (been discussed many times but based on my experience it is required to maintain reliability)

Decent Map

Not to mention other minimum mods that IMO need to be added running that power:

Susspension

RARB (Rear Anti Roll Bar)

Upgraded Brakes

Optional but effective mods:

LSD

ALK (Anti Lift Kit)

I would say ask who did the map and that will give you a good indication of what the power output is going to be. Also who did the rolling road print out?

I agree with Clive (CNT) its more than likely to be around 270 BHP tops (stage 2 or 2+) but with a rolling road print out showing more power.

Even if the current owner has a rolling road print out for 300, it doesn't mean anything.

As I'm sure you know.

I had one for 285 on the Fabia (from AMD), which was more like 255.

You could say that for any rolling road though surely at best its a close guess? Unless you take the engine out and bench

test its not an exact science working power back from the wheels to the flywheel. I would imagine a 10% + or - tollerance

is about average accross the uk's dyno's. I would say the tuning house that does the mods to a vehicle will also give

a more favourable result if you no what i mean.

You could say that for any rolling road though surely at best its a close guess? Unless you take the engine out and bench

test its not an exact science working power back from the wheels to the flywheel. I would imagine a 10% + or - tollerance

is about average accross the uk's dyno's. I would say the tuning house that does the mods to a vehicle will also give

a more favourable result if you no what i mean.

Yes, but some are know to over read and some are know to be more accurate.

Jabba did my car and tested it at 255/265, which they claimed was accurate without/with meth.

Shark rested an idential car without hte flowed head and got in the 250s.

AMD then tested it and got 285.

You'll not reach 300bhp without upgrading the turbo. The K03 is maxed out at around 285bhp, which is where stage 2+ would have you at best. The popular choice is the K04.

Harry you are wrong ;-)

Yeh Harry your wrong, what do you know!!! #sarcasm

lol.

its all about the mapping and supporting mods

nick at r-tech is at the fore front of moving on with the 1.8t and the 2.0tfsi he has proven that the standard fuel pump internal are fine and are not needed !!

he has just mapped one @ 298 and still playing

times are changing in the mapping world

Yeh Harry your wrong, what do you know!!! #sarcasm

lol.

urm when the k03 is being pushed to 300bhp already then clearly he is ;-)

within the next 3 months i would bet my house nick will have the code perfected and will produce a healthy 300bhp with supporting mods without issue

just like the k03s would do above 230 to 240 max now with new mapping and time spent learning he has mapped one to 260+ ;-) its all about the flow

Im sure you can hit 300Hp on a K03, but id wager it woulnt be reliable and wouldnt be comfortable running that muself.

You can hit 290-300Hp much easier with much less boost than a K03 Stage 2+ setup by simply fitting a K04 turbo(£600), S3 Injectors (£300) and the DV relocation kit(£100) to your engine. Combine it with a custom map from the likes of R-Tec, APR also do an of the shelf map for this setup as well.

Effectively you have turned the K03 TFSI into a K04 TFSI, so will make the same figures as a Leon Cupra/Ed30/S3 stage 1 car.

This is the way to go IMO. None of the drawbacks of a K03 stage 2+ such as cost, heatsoak, noise, reliability etc.

Then when you decide 300Hp isnt enough, chuck on the fuel pump and a stage 1`+ map and get yourself a much stronger midrange,

Then when 320Hp(ish) isnt enough, get the exhaust and intercooler and go stage 2+

You'll not reach 300bhp without upgrading the turbo. The K03 is maxed out at around 285bhp, which is where stage 2+ would have you at best. The popular choice is the K04.

From my experience (albeit three years ago now) I'd agree with Harry.

Mine had everything done to it on stage 2+, KO3 turbo and got 285bhp and 330lb/ft torque on JKM's rollers (as accurate as Sharks imo). Jabbas used to read slightly high on the power and higher still on the torque figures from experience. For a true 300bhp its turbo replacement time. Having said that, dont get hung up on peak figures, the drive is more important. The stage 2+ KO3 feels very peaky and doesnt rev out particularly well. The KO4 should give you more of everything although it will feel more laggy below 2,750rpm depending on other mods.

Nick has been doing some pretty impressive stuff on the TFSI recently, particularly with a Cupra runing K04 STage 2+ mapping with water meth. That car made over 380Hp/450lbbft at JKMs rollers(+50hp on all the other Stage 2+ cars), which is very very impressive, but that is with a very aggressive map specifically to maximise a high ratio water emth mix.

Before he went to JKM everyone was saying that Cupra with the RTEC WMI mapping was running 400Hp+, so 20Hp+ more than he achieved at JKM. Dyno lottery anyone....

However ive seen alot of recent the dyno graphs for his stage 1, 2 and 2+ K03 and K04 cars that he has done and ultimately they perform very well, but the figures are no different than the likes of REVO, APR or Shark etc. The difference being his are slightly more bespoke than their off the shelf offerings and he is cheaper.

oh dear another idiot !!!

the turbo will flow that the reason not many are getting to this power is one main under laying issue.. They have a big surface area wastegate and it blows wide open on stock on the stock actuator and settings. Give it 6-7months and 300bhp will be a very common thing for the k03 tfsi.

And i bet so will blown turbos.

possible vrsy all i was saying is 300 is possible but seems to have annoyed some who are clearly know there stuff

and its annoyed some who clearly dont

However ive seen alot of recent the dyno graphs for his stage 1, 2 and 2+ K03 and K04 cars that he has done and ultimately they perform very well, but the figures are no different than the likes of REVO, APR or Shark etc. The difference being his are slightly more bespoke than their off the shelf offerings and he is cheaper.

Without sounding arsey, isnt that last sentence another way of saying he's willing to push the turbo harder than most? I asked Ben to do a stage 2 map for my 1.8TSi and he looked into it with Mikko and at the time he wasnt sure they could do it as it would probably end of being too hard on the standard IHI turbo. I totally respected the fact that he said he wasnt prepared to give me a few more horses and take some more money off me to ensure the car was mapped as reliably as possible. Thats how I rather it was.

lol ;-) i never get annoyed buddy i get to work on these and tune them and many other cars so i see lots and hear lots and always see lots of forum warriors that know better than most, usually they know very litte apart from how to pay a company to fit bolt on parts.

Without sounding arsey, isnt that last sentence another way of saying he's willing to push the turbo harder than most? I asked Ben to do a stage 2 map for my 1.8TSi and he looked into it with Mikko and at the time he wasnt sure they could do it as it would probably end of being too hard on the standard IHI turbo. I totally respected the fact that he said he wasnt prepared to give me a few more horses and take some more money off me to ensure the car was mapped as reliably as possible. Thats how I rather it was.

Nice to hear, very very few companies would do that and Shark being one of the well respected ones who arent ££ based.

agree with the above and its something @ shark we do the key is the op ask a q and people then said 300 isnt possible etc etc

so i answered yes it is poss,

oh dear another idiot !!!

some people lol lol

you do realise i havent commented trying to get you to buy from me im just telling you what has been happening so get off your high horses and step back into reality !!!

Ooo not heard a sponsor talk like this for a while, is this a new promo technique?

as a sponsor do we need to have people saying the above like they did?? NO

i was only giving info on the ltest happening until someone decided to make a silly and childish comment for no reason !!!