When I was picking up my Blackline the sales lad were talking about a rumour that they might be getting a 300hp 2.5 V6 in the Octavia. Anyone heard about this one?

This year "only" 220bhp 4cyl petrol and 184bhp 4 cyl diesel are scheduled, both vRS, from May in Europe, don't know when in the UK.

300bhp would have to be ? vvvRS ? Unless it is Skoda Racing you are talking about.

Will never happen.

Not sure unless its the 2lt from the Audi S3

Again, that'll never happen either.

Again, that'll never happen either.

Why so sure?

Because Skoda != VW - if they put better engines in the Skoda's, what is the incentive to buy a VW?

Because Skoda != VW - if they put better engines in the Skoda's, what is the incentive to buy a VW?

Have heard of "Badge Snobs" ?

There will always be Audi die hards, much like there are Skoda die hards. Those in between who change brand depending on specification offered have two choices within the current VAG stable: i) put up with a 'lower' brand/spec or ii) shell out for the premium brand; either way is a win win for the manufacturer.

I'm not a marketeer, but it seems as though it would be a faux pas to intentionally position the junior brand such that it syphons sales away from the premium product. Ok they're all part of VAG, but I'm sure each brand is responsible for growing their respective market share and their margin, they want to draw buyers away from other manufacturers, not scrap amongst themselves for the same customer.

That all said, sometimes the "what if" conversations can be fun.

+1

Though Audi seems to be shooting itself in the foot lately when it comes to long distance driver's cars (as opposed to luxury repmobiles, also known as sofas on wheels). Apparently, market demands that :think:

Still, while in the "what if" mood, it would be nice to get 5-cyl VW diesels insted of 4 cyl. They almost made it to market a few years back. 4-cyl turbo petrol is still noticeably more refined than 4-cyl turbo diesel, and there is still on average 20% fuel price differential between diesel fuel and petrol in most of Europe.

A 220bhp 2.5TDI vRS Mk3 Octavia/Superb would be nice

Edited 23 January, 201313 yr by dieselV6

There will always be Audi die hards, much like there are Skoda die hards....

I am neither, since my current car (company) is my first Audi and I joined Briskoda because I am interested in the Mk3 Octavia. I am open minded at the moment and as yet, I haven't seen the lease prices which will of course be a big influence on my decision, as will co2. It is a shame that estate won't be out until ?May though. At the moment I am being drawn to the (gulp) BMW 320d Efficient Dynamics (estate version finally announced last week co2 = 112g/km) because it seems to be spectacularly economical and the lease prices are incredibly low. Meanwhile the Audi A4 lease prices have gone really high, possibly because there will be a new one along next year. My A4 was a bit of a recession bargain - I effectively got an SE Exec for the price of the base model :-)

An Octavia 2.0d Elegance is looking attractive (co2 = 106g/km), preferably as an estate (?co2) and I have no idea whether I will notice the inferior rear suspension...

(Sorry - that was a bit off topic. And isn't it quiet here since those 2 topics got themselves locked?)

Edited 23 January, 201313 yr by Juniperz

Why?

The golf R32 became the plain R with a turbo 4 . Even BMW is ditching 6-cyl for turbo 4s. Emmissions and efficiency is driving everyone toward fewer cylinders, not more.

Not everyone looks only at fuel economy. Refinement and fuel price differential also matter.

If you compare 2.0 TFSI engine with 2.0CR TDI engine, the 2.0TFSI runs smoother, though the 2.0CR TDI is not bad at all.

R32 is petrol, not diesel. I am talking about 5-cyl diesels here. Like for like capacity, 4-cyl petrol is more refined than 4-cyl diesel, at least in VW engine lineup, on account several factors, one of which is that compression ratio of <10:1 for petrol and >16:1 for diesels.

In a 4-cyl engine, power stroke occurs every 1/2 turn rotation, in a 5-cyl it's every 2/5th turn and in a 6-cyl it's every 1/3rd turn. Power stroke lasts for less than 1/2 turn (the end of power stroke is already quite weak), so power strokes do not overlap in anything smaller than 5-cyl engine and it is up to flywheel to smooth out power delivery. There is only so much the flywheel inertia can smooth out, and flywheel size and weight is limited by performance and fuel economy requirements. I imagine a 1-cyl with a 100kg+ flywheel would be quite smooth running engine, though not useful for much more than pumping water or generating electricity. There are of course a lot of other factors, balance, resonances etc.

Anyway, it's a "what if" discussion, so we are allowed to dream about the 2.5 R5 TDI Octy 3 / Superb 3

For my use, if 2.5CR TDI existed, and even if it used 10% more fuel than 2.0TFSI petrol, the diesel would still work out cheaper to run thanks to fuel price differential across most of Europe. And would run smoother than the current 2.0CR.

Edited 23 January, 201313 yr by dieselV6