Apologies if this is already posted somewhere but i couldn't find exactly what i was after.

Does anyone know roughly how long the dsg box is "expected" to last before it becomes problematic.

I've never had an Auto for myself but SWMBO wants us to downsize to a single vehicle and will only drive Automagics due to American heritage.

I'm torn between getting another Yeti and switching to something with a longer warranty because of my suspicion of auto boxes and the costs involved when they go "pop".

If the DSG box is something that is going to bite in under five years then i might have to switch to an alternative vehicle

Buy the extended warranty available at first purchase so it will be Skoda's problem-although I think they are sound enough devices

Look in the Octavia 11 forum for the wet clutch 6 speed and the dry clutch 7 speed.

All gearboxes can have problems. My previous Octavia 2.0PD DSG did 100,000 mike without any problems. Many more have done a much higher mileage. They need to be looked after-oil changes and filter changes. They are pretty much tried and tested now.

My Yeti has only done 34,000 in a little over 2 years and no problems.

Take out the extended warranty or use somebody like Warranty Direct.

The main 'problem' appears to be the mechatronics failing on generally the first generation boxes, whereas the a yeti has a later box.

I am not worried about it personally.

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Among all the problems DSG box failures are not commonly reported. I heard about one factory new vRS Fabia which had mechatronics module failure. That was done under warranty. I think part itself is £1.5k? Might be wrong here.

EDIT: Posted te same time as rockhopper lol

Edited 18 March, 201313 yr by Jabozuma

Like the octavia dash problems which reared its head a few years ago, a couple of companies claim to be able to rebuild/repair the Mechatronic units.

Ones Built in a Plant in China might be rather different in their life expectations, (if they are built there?)

but they are getting the extended warranties.

Wonderful gearboxes and i have no concerns over them.

george

Request of suing both Champion Motors - importer of VW, Audi, Seat & Skoda in Israel and VW Concern at the sum of 700 M. NIS (175 M. $) due to known issues as well as for not unveiled issues with DSG gearboxes and customer care policy - concerning about 28,000 VAG vehicles (in Israel) fitted with DSG - lawyers say.

Published today on ynet.co.il

http://www.ynet.co.i...4357787,00.html

Hebrew site, no English version on http://www.ynetnews.com

Just quoting information from a news site.

Myself went for the manual gearbox also because of the DSG known issues as well as for buying costs.

Edited 18 March, 201313 yr by rafi_arch

How interesting, looks like gloves are off in Israel

If this is sucessful then it'd set a precedence and allow similar redress in other countries.

I have no problem with a feck up but I have a massive problem with no owning up to it and not doing all that is in your power to fix at the least inconvenience to the affected customers.

Good info!

It is good that Law Actions are being taken against VAG/Skoda around the world.

About time they came out and owned up to Design, parts from suppliers or Manufacturing faults & dealt honestly with owners suffering problems.

Its like they have had to be dragged screaming to sort out Twincharger problems and they are replacing engines pretty quick now.

3 years of run arounds and 3 Monkeys or EMU attitude up till recently tho.

george

George,

That Austrailina Tribunal Case was an interested reading. I just could not understand why that chap would let them have the vehicle to be inspected?

What is the outcome of this in nay caseas I could not see a decision there?

Just looked at the design of the twin charger engine....Crumbs that's a complex engine!!!! Personally it seems too complex, and I avoid things too complex :-) This is as I feel there is more to go wrong....

Br

JeZ

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George,

That Austrailina Tribunal Case was an interested reading. I just could not understand why that chap would let them have the vehicle to be inspected?

What is the outcome of this in nay caseas I could not see a decision there?

The punter lost his claim for replacement /refund as he had not shown the car was irreparable or unfit for use-his refusal to let the supplying dealer or VAG inspect or test it meant he could not satisfy them that the fault said by his expert to exist was sufficiently grave.

They made an order for him to hand it over for repair.

Get the Mrs booked in for some driving lessons in a manual. She will soon get the hang of it and problem solved.

Don't get me wrong here. With the advent of CPU controlled, self learning DSG box manual gearbox lost its reason for existence really. There is absolutely nothing a manual does better anymore. Traditional auto box v. manual - no brainer here. Manual wins hands down. Not so with DSG. I had manual A3 some time ago and Audi replaced gearbox 3 times before my own commissioned engineer found the underlying cause for failures. Clutch failures in manual? More common than auto box failures.

The problem with 7-speed DSG boxes stems from manufacturing and assembly issues in Chinese factories. Read please that article George linked to. There are no failures with EU produced units

Traditional auto box v. manual - no brainer here. Manual wins hands down.

The 8 speed ZF auto 'box various manufacturers are using now is brilliant. I'd have one over a manual any time. More efficient as well. More so than my 6 speed wet clutch DSG.

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Get the Mrs booked in for some driving lessons in a manual. She will soon get the hang of it and problem solved.

Tried that, i didn't get dinner that night

There are no failures with EU produced units

This is helpful thanks.

I'd just read there were general issues with the box, rather than specifically shonky made china parts outside the EU.

The 8 speed ZF auto 'box various manufacturers are using now is brilliant. I'd have one over a manual any time. More efficient as well. More so than my 6 speed wet clutch DSG.

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Hence me writing "traditional auto box" - that new 8-speed marvel is something else altogether and is claimed to be even better than DSG system. However, it has to be noted that DSG is incomparably simpler than that new 8-speed box, just i case it pops the clogs for some reson.

DSG afterall is a traditional box, with two clutches and mechatronic actuation box full ofclever electronics to move the cogs around. Dry clutch in 7-speed version is substantially lighter as well.

This is helpful thanks.

I'd just read there were general issues with the box, rather than specifically shonky made china parts outside the EU.

I am not saying that UE made do not fail, I bet there are dodgy units around. Chinese ones had fundamental manufacturing and quality issues. It was clearly stated that there is no problem with the design whatsoever.

Personally I would never buy a DSG ,because I like changing gears myself,and it costs about £1200 more .

However,if SWMBO had to have an Auto, I would have no qualms about buying one.

Though I would have to cover it with a long enough warranty for my piece of mind.

^

That's the whole point with DSG - you CAN change the gears YOURSELF if you want using either paddles or the stick or just leave the car to it and worry about it. Changing the gears with the stick is very close to full manual experience but without the hassle of the clutch, lost "powered drive time" and much more fun.

Flicking paddles makes you feel like you are in a proper racer

My other car has manual box. Before I had vRS I never owned auto box car as I considered it be a blasphemy, something for "old folks" to use and an expensive, fault prone gadget which would rob me of all the driving pleasure.

How wrong I was!

Now I simply refuse to drive the ohter car

So I can pay £1200 to change gear myself?

Lets think.........No I'll keep the the money thanks.

So I can pay £1200 to change gear myself?

Lets think.........No I'll keep the the money thanks.

I kinda agree! OK they may not be as good as the new ones, but I do like the control I have with them. However I acknowledge that the new types of gearboxes are close to the same capabilities. It is just a preference thing!!!!

BR

JeZ

Well, if you look at it this way then yes, I'd keep the money.

What you are paying for is better fuel economy, lower emissions (lower tax) and much higher performance. And believe me, it shows on the road. DSG is worth quite a few ponies on its own.

Addmitedly it is impossible to compare as ther is no vRS with manual box available, and for a reson. 1.2TSi looks like weak enough to make manual outperform DSG on paper. In real life nobody can get the values they quote out of manual box while DSG will be just that or better.

I am a convert from die hard manual gear box acolyte and all my future cars will have DSG boxes in them

Well, if you look at it this way then yes, I'd keep the money.

What you are paying for is better fuel economy, lower emissions (lower tax) and much higher performance. And believe me, it shows on the road. DSG is worth quite a few ponies on its own.

Addmitedly it is impossible to compare as ther is no vRS with manual box available, and for a reson. 1.2TSi looks like weak enough to make manual outperform DSG on paper. In real life nobody can get the values they quote out of manual box while DSG will be just that or better.

I am a convert from die hard manual gear box acolyte and all my future cars will have DSG boxes in them

One slight problem no 170 4x4 in DSG? I want more power ;-)

JeZ