Missed the first half but shocking stuff with kids racing, doing 70mpg in a 30mph high street

i player here I come.

Very thought provoking stuff. :'(

Watching it now, it's quite shocking.

Just watched it again. A very well struck sympathetic and objective view of both sides of the stories IMO.

Education is the key. I can't see what use there is in limiting new drivers to 45 mph.

Speed can get you into trouble but it can also get you out of it. Lots of times a bootful of throttle has sorted a problem out. Nasty seeing the bikes like that and those cruises really **** me off. Give proper car enthusiasts a bad name

Will watch

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Education is the key. I can't see what use there is in limiting new drivers to 45 mph.

Haven't seen the programme yet, but this statement struck a chord with me. In NI, new drivers with R plates are limited to 45mph and I'm not sure does the driver's confidence much good. It's similar to changing the age at which people are allowed to drive which, imho, will only change the age at which new drivers have their accidents rather than preventing them occurring. The crux is that people need to be taught to drive in such a way that they believe what they are taught is the best way to drive and so don't ditch it as soon as they tear up the L-plates. How that is achieved is a big question

Chris

45mph on most of the motorways and dual carriageways (and a fair number of the single carriageways) in Scotland would actually cause more danger than it would prevent.

Speed can get you into trouble but it can also get you out of it.

Knowing when to use which pedal comes with experience though.

Of course it does but limiting their speed isn't the way to go. 45mph on Duals and even NSL roads would be dangerous.

We could do this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10013679/Allow-drivers-to-go-flat-out-says-new-police-chief.html

Of course it does but limiting their speed isn't the way to go. 45mph on Duals and even NSL roads would be dangerous.

We could do this http://www.telegraph...lice-chief.html

How is the speed limited?

We used to have no speed limit. Ask your local friendly Cobra owner why we have now. ;)

A speed limit of 45mph wouldn't stop them (new drivers) exceeding it. The young Mercedes driver in the documentary last night is testament to that.

How is the speed limited?

We used to have no speed limit. Ask your local friendly Cobra owner why we have now. ;)

A 45mph limit for new drivers was suggested. This would be stupid

A 45mph limit for new drivers was suggested. This would be stupid

I know it would be stupid

My question is how would you actually limit them in the first place? Displaying "P" plates is optional, cars are driven my multiple people etc etc.

There would be nothing to say that the car doing 50 on a dual carriageway is speeding newbie, or a slow oldie.

It's not just stupid, but unenforceable too.

I watched this to last night. I'll own up and say I used to enjoy it :peek: I've been to that one in Manchester when I was younger, it was as mad as it looked!

The Wirral used to be a hotspot for it around 4-5 years ago, and I did get a buzz going to watch it. It was always down a road where nobody would be (dead ends). But it was the bikes that seemed to take it a step too far. :( I suppose it taps into the rebellious side of you, I never raced and kept out of the way. But I suppose the positive was it kept me and my mates from drinking lots of ale and finding highs in other ways that could also ruin your life!

Now I just prefer to be low and slow

Looking at it right now. I just love it how you always blame youngsters. Car crashes, youngsters. Violence, youngsters, Tsunami, youngsters.... Its fairly common knowledge that the most dangerous drivers are between 45 an 65.

On the subject of speeding. I speed 90% of the time, but never in my wildest dream would I drive like the Merc driver for instance.

Also I'm a regular at street races. I don't drive nowadays, no competition, but I'm almost always there. Those races, while still 100% illegal, are a thousand times safer than what BBC showed. This is bull****, I dunno what idiot arranges the races in the UK, but if they all look like this I'm surprised you don't have more fatalities. In the roughly 25 years we've had the local races, we've had 2 fatalities and 6 serious injuries. And ironically, only one of those fatalities was an actual accident, the other was IMHO, attempted murder. Intentional ramming. They had more fatalities in F1.

. Its fairly common knowledge that the most dangerous drivers are between 45 an 65.

Yep, that's why they get the cheapest car insurance.

How did that guy survive that bike crash?? The bike was blown to pieces.

I haven't watched this program and I'm not going to confirm or deny if I ever street raced as a kid however I learnt so much driving around in my friends which have in turn got me out of some pretty scary moments. Things like how cars react in snow, not to slam on brakes which is the first reaction of many unconfident drivers.

I do not think what these kids are doing has to be perceived in a negative way 100%, they are learning a lot more than what these so called 'harder' driving exams are doing. Maybe education and parts of lessons showing them how to control skids, or understand what a fast acceleration is really like nigh get it out of their system quicker. As I wrote this I'm thinking of comparing it to young kids drinking. They drink at 14/15 and by the time they are 18 they are bored of it or used to it so they don't get in to to much trouble as their body's are more used to alcohol unlike what the law thinks, which is that at 18, a body suddenly switches on and can handle what thrown at it.

I liked the shows they gave to a load of young people about speed. They need hard-hitting stuff like that, anything to make young people take driving seriously. I don't think there should be restrictions on young people once they pass their test. I do think the test should be a lot tougher, incorporating speed awareness courses, car control, skidpan type of thing, and more hours on all roads (including motorways) before they can get a full license.

I watched it and some of the speeds those young lads were going (especially the two Asian lads racing) was ludicrous. I'd never drive like that in a built up area, country open roads yeah may give it a lot of stick but it's 'safer' .

I agree with the post a few comments above about older people driving. They are very dangerous and shouldn't be allowed on the road. They can't see 2 feet in front of them and drive so slow it causes people wanting to overtake thus causing more of a risk of an accident happening!

Been first on scene to crashes like this.

Never do find the words to say to the families, not gonna lie this prog brought a tear to my eye!

I just love it how you always blame youngsters. Car crashes, youngsters. Violence, youngsters, Tsunami, youngsters.... Its fairly common knowledge that the most dangerous drivers are between 45 an 65

They mentioned at the beginning of the program how, in the UK, "traffic collisions [are] the single biggest killer of young people" & "a fifth of all new drivers will have a serious collision in their first year [of] driving".

From what I saw of driving in Sweden during the two years I was there I doubt the Swedish statistics are vastly different.

As I wrote this I'm thinking of comparing it to young kids drinking. They drink at 14/15 and by the time they are 18 they are bored of it or used to it so they don't get in to to much trouble as their body's are more used to alcohol unlike what the law thinks, which is that at 18, a body suddenly switches on and can handle what thrown at it.

I like this analogy and I've had some involvement in the under-17 car club (http://www.under17-carclub.co.uk/ ) who get kids driving on a private course from the age of 11. Having driven with a few of the 17 years olds who've done it, the results are impressive and they're all fairly level headed and confident drivers. My only complaint is that the environment they learn in is a little utopian in that everyone is obeying the rules, etc, which means they can get a shock when they join the "real world".

Another thing which plays a large part, imho, is the role parents play as driving role models and I think it's important to be aware of how easy it is to impress bad driving on younger children such that they think it's normal.

Chris