So I've had my car remapped by big fish tuning only mods are elephant mod and a better intake, dyno'd at 177bhp and 299ftlb's, quoted 'a very healthy engine by the company'. I'm started to get the power syndrome where I'm a bit bored of it now, besides a bigger turbo what are the other options available, fmic, decat etc or are they all minimal gains untill the turbo is upgraded ?

Out of those you won't be getting any more power other than the fmic making the power more consistent when booting it and in very hot weather.

I'm afraid you can't really get any more power, the decat will help spool up that's it.

New turbo time. You could start making the car handle and stop better or start cutting wait out of it but then you'll be looking at least 40kg before there is a small difference, unsprung is better.

Out of those you won't be getting any more power other than the fmic making the power more consistent when booting it and in very hot weather.

I'm afraid you can't really get any more power, the decat will help spool up that's it.

New turbo time. You could start making the car handle and stop better or start cutting wait out of it but then you'll be looking at least 40kg before there is a small difference, unsprung is better.

fitted AP coilovers last week, 312 brakes are on the to do list next. Was looking into buying a a nackered turbo and getting it hybrid'd, got a track day start of June so will have it stripped by then and hopefully say on some decent tires.

Remap is the easy power done.

Anything more than that is harder work whihc is much more expensive.

Hybrid turbo or PD150 or maybe hybrid PD150 required.

Although you'll need to team that with a FMIC to get the most out of it and a new clutch to handle the extra torque that comes with the extra power.

big kerching i'm afraid

maybe check out the club discount from Darkside Developments

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/261592-darkside-developments-budget-turbo-kits-for-19tdi-20tdi-200bhp-or-230bhp/

prices don't include a clutch or a FMIC though....

fitted AP coilovers last week, 312 brakes are on the to do list next. Was looking into buying a a nackered turbo and getting it hybrid'd, got a track day start of June so will have it stripped by then and hopefully say on some decent tires.

Have a look on darksidedevelopments.co.uk at there budget GTB kits, for the price they look very good, would prefer one of the to a hybrid and will give better more reliable gains!

I'm not going to say the prices for them aren't good because I know that's a good price, but for what it would cost to buy an old knackered pd130 or pd150 and get it Hybrid'd (which my dads friend has his own business doing which means very cheap prices) and to get the same power out of the hybrid turbo with an intercooler and remap I think I could squeeze it into a 1k budget. Ideally I would be more than happy with 200bhp and 300+ ftlb's which a hybrid 130 would easily achieve and to pick a knackered one up on eBay does not cost a great deal.

I'm not going to say the prices for them aren't good because I know that's a good price, but for what it would cost to buy an old knackered pd130 or pd150 and get it Hybrid'd (which my dads friend has his own business doing which means very cheap prices) and to get the same power out of the hybrid turbo with an intercooler and remap I think I could squeeze it into a 1k budget. Ideally I would be more than happy with 200bhp and 300+ ftlb's which a hybrid 130 would easily achieve and to pick a knackered one up on eBay does not cost a great deal.

I would look for a garret rather than the chocolate kkk turbos from our cars!

I'm not going to say the prices for them aren't good because I know that's a good price, but for what it would cost to buy an old knackered pd130 or pd150 and get it Hybrid'd (which my dads friend has his own business doing which means very cheap prices) and to get the same power out of the hybrid turbo with an intercooler and remap I think I could squeeze it into a 1k budget. Ideally I would be more than happy with 200bhp and 300+ ftlb's which a hybrid 130 would easily achieve and to pick a knackered one up on eBay does not cost a great deal.

you will be getting similar peak numbers from a hybrid PD150

I agreed people get obsessed with peak and max.

Just get a fmic for now as you will need one if you get a bigger turbo anyway. The front mount will help stop power soak in the odd bit of hot weather we are due so youmwill get all of your remapped power for near enough all of the time instead of after giving the right foot more than once or twice on a spritely run and being taken back to near enough stock power.

Welcome to the start of the slippery slope. I am hoping I have slid almost to the bottom now!

I had planned to stop after a remap, but the exhaust soon followed and then intercooler. I'd be silly not to go bigger turbo now!

Welcome to the start of the slippery slope. I am hoping I have slid almost to the bottom now!

Thought you hit the bottom years ago and had to start digging

Personally if avoid a hybrid pd130 and go for a hybrid pd150. Same compressor wheels but pd150 has bigger turbine.

People get fixated on a headline figure with little regard for the fact that it's often the wrong figure. You buy on BHP, you drive on torque.

For the cost to gain ratio anything above stage 1 isn't that great, remember its not just initial parts costs, its the insurance increase as well and 50+% power increase with a bunch of extras to get it can mount up at renewal time.

Ask yourself why it has to be 200bhp, then consider if you took it for a run on an optimistic Dyno it'd be a lot cheaper. 23bhp isn't a lot but it'll cost you quite a bit more to get.

If you do go down the more power route you'll need a new clutch and flywheel kit as well, it's going to get expensive.

People get fixated on a headline figure with little regard for the fact that it's often the wrong figure. You buy on BHP, you drive on torque.

For the cost to gain ratio anything above stage 1 isn't that great, remember its not just initial parts costs, its the insurance increase as well and 50+% power increase with a bunch of extras to get it can mount up at renewal time.

Ask yourself why it has to be 200bhp, then consider if you took it for a run on an optimistic Dyno it'd be a lot cheaper. 23bhp isn't a lot but it'll cost you quite a bit more to get.

If you do go down the more power route you'll need a new clutch and flywheel kit as well, it's going to get expensive.

modding my car is like my hobby so tbh, money doesn't matter as I basically work to do things to my car, always have and always will. It has to be 200 bhp because as I said I'm getting bored of it now and if throwing money at it makes it fun again then that's what ill have to do,

Hi

I just done , stage 2 hybrid 150 , a fmic and sports cat and full milltek exhaust , had to have egr delete , but all cool , mid range it well lively , very enjoyable , but was not cheap , remap next , but even now it's nice to drive

Thanks Trev

In all honesty... Buy a faster car out of the box!

I bought my vrs with all the stuff on it! Saved me a fortune - wouldnt do it myself unless my turbo went boom

if your bored time to sell up and go japanese

After remap it smoothed out the flat spots but I just miss that "kick" on stock map. I want the kick but apparently it hurts gf's boobs. I can't help but think its an excuse to have me stop spending money...

modding my car is like my hobby so tbh, money doesn't matter as I basically work to do things to my car, always have and always will. It has to be 200 bhp because as I said I'm getting bored of it now and if throwing money at it makes it fun again then that's what ill have to do,

So do you actually know how a 200bhp Fabia feels like or did you just put your finger in the air and pick a number? Throwing money at it won't make it fun, it's either fun, or it isn't. You're destined to rinse and repeat the same process till you understand you can buy as much as you want but it won't actually make you happy or it fun.

I used to follow someone's build threads a few years back, his custom fabrication work and attention to detail made him quite popular (he was employed in the trade) on a number of forums we both used, his Scooby build was fantastic, I think he then went into a 'cheap' BMW build, last I saw he was asking about bankruptcy.

Modification is addictive, the first 'hit' gives you a lot for very little, after that it gets expensive for not a lot of gain. A few hundred got you 49bhp, another £1k (and the rest!) to get 21bhp? Seriously, consider switching cars, it'll be cheaper in pretty much every way.

Edited 28 April, 201313 yr by Avalon

I would love the chance to experience one. The way I see it is if you go for Darksides budget kit and you already have a stage 1 map.

Say your car is 130bhp standard and after a map it's 175bhp - 45bhp gain for £300. Difference is mind blowing between the 2 maps.

£1800 later you have 220-230 bhp that's at least another 45bhp gain from that and can only imagine how well that would pull. Of course it's only £1800 if you have the supporting mods. If you don't have the intercooler, exhaust (maybe) and clutch then it's going to be very expensive!

True you could buy a faster car but what happens if you catch the modding bug with that one and want to blow money on it - the option is to do so or again buy a faster car. It's a never ending thing and unfortunately very expensive if you get bored quickly.

I've been there and done it - spent £1500 on a new engine and camming and old fiesta, was probably around 140 Bhp (which doesnt sound much but due to the nature of the cams it was great fun to drive) I loved it but about 3-4 months down the line I was used to it and bored!

The worst thing is that you'll never get your money back unless you put in the effort to break it.

I'm with avalon on this, however I can appreciate how quick nice it would be gain another 30 to 40 bhp I'd imagine similar from stock to a stage 1 just a remap.

And above if there is a better reason not to remap a stock vrs it's because it will hurt your girlfriends boobs... Priceless

I'm with avalon on this, however I can appreciate how quick nice it would be gain another 30 to 40 bhp I'd imagine similar from stock to a stage 1 just a remap.

And above if there is a better reason not to remap a stock vrs it's because it will hurt your girlfriends boobs... Priceless

Haha I've never heard the missus complain about boob pain unless I slam on.

Couldnt agree more dan. I am 23 now and on my 12th car and have modified them all in one way or another, from old eg civics to making mini monster truck vitaras. Its a lifestyle at the end of the day and if spending money on what car you have makes you happy then so be it. I have spent and lost alot of money over the years (all my own hard earnt) and not once thought i wish i kept it standard and bought a better car out of the box. The money i have spent on mods by now on all my cars if i saved it i could of bought a nice nissan s14 running around 300bhp but then a few months past and from joining forums etc there will be something i want to buy then it starts all over again and i would want to be hitting 400bhp and then thats more money than ide ever spend on a fabia. End of the day you do what you want no matter what car it is if its what you love.

Haha I've never heard the missus complain about boob pain unless I slam on.

This made me smile, for all the wrong reasons